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[Unit-Alpha]

Tazzmission wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

If they (the artist) decide that they want to change their art, they are free to do so. But we have no right to demand a change within art. To demand that an artist changes his art is silly to say the least. We may voice our displeasure. We may decide not to buy future products of the artist. We may even suggest the artist to change his art. but we cannot DEMAND the artist to change his art.

This, people need to understand the distinction.

Except, we are allowed to demand one.

It's in the Constitution and many other countries' founding documents.

the constituion also says people  have freedom of speech so should the kkk say what they say even though you know its wrong?


just because they have such a right dosent make it ok still

They are allowed to under the Constitution, and I respect that, even if I think those bigots should go die.

Also, you are comparing us to the KKK? That's just stupid.

your movment compared itself to both the civil rights and womens movment last week in the non spoiler section buddy

so hey if they want to play it like that then yea i will say you are just like kkk

Lol, you aren't the brightest. I obviously can't reason with you, much less understand your grammar.

[ZodiEmish]

Aznable Char wrote...

 Luc0s , I believe if you were to look over at my post (gosh this thread moves so fast) , I can demonstrate how you are still right and why the Retake movement is still valid in the new parameters you have come to appreciate about movies and art .

Aznable. The OP seems to be  avoiding longer posts. more so if they poke holes in his art theory.

[carnage4u]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Hasn't this been covered before?
They have the right to make any sort of ending they want.
I have a right to think that their ending is terrible and say that it would be better if they did X.
They have the right to change or not change the endings if they want to. They just have to decide if they like their "artistic integrity" or whatever better than they like my money.

Exactly 100% accurate

Things can stay the same. Thats fine. MY solution is The lost my trust and will never get another Dollar from me. Simple.

[bluewolv1970]

Luc0s wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

If the ending is bad, sure, we're in the right to ask for something better. If the gameplay is bad, do you have the right to ask for a patch? If there are bugs, do you have a right? If the classes are unbalanced, are we to shut up and not say anything?

Did you even read my entire opening post? You clearly didn't, did you?

Demanding a patch or change in gameplay =/= demanding a different story or a different end to that story.

Gameplay is not part of a video-games "artistic integrity". But narrative and cutscenes are very much part of a video-games "artistic integrity". I already explained this in my OP.


So yes, when the story in a video-game is bad, or when the end to that story is bad, you just have to suck it up. You are free to express your dissapointment. You are even free to ask BioWare for  change, but you are not within your right to DEMAND change.


I did not like the way Harry Potter ended. Do I now have the right to demand that J.K. Rowling changes the end? Wouldn't I look like a complete retard when I would do that?

1) harry potter is not interactive and cutscenes are a direct result of player choice - allegedly

2) harry potter did not make promises that our decisions would impact the ending

3) harry potter does not release downloadable content throughout the year which already changes the inital product

4) Harry Potter is not a video game, and thus does not involve a mechanism of  "winning" inherently implied

5)  Harry Potter grasps the definition of bittersweet

6)  Movies Have re-released different  versions on DVD because of fan influence - Blade Runner comes to mind actually...

7) Movies change endings all the time because of fan reaction - called test screenings...

[Tazzmission]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Troll thread guys...

tell you what tough guy you want a troll come meet me on another forum because ill show you trolling

dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk

[Trishot]

I'll be holding the line for one extra person.

[Shock n Awe]

Doyle changed the ending to Sherlock Holmes, Bethesda changed the ending to Fallout 3.

Considering we, the fans, are the reason the game was made, I feel it's completely fair for us, the consumers, to ask for the product to be changed if the majority feel it is defective in some way.

[Unit-Alpha]

ZodiEmish wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

 Luc0s , I believe if you were to look over at my post (gosh this thread moves so fast) , I can demonstrate how you are still right and why the Retake movement is still valid in the new parameters you have come to appreciate about movies and art .

Aznable. The OP seems to be  avoiding longer posts. more so if they poke holes in his art theory.

I've responded 10 times to him.

0 replies.

[Stormraught]

Trishot wrote...

I'll be holding the line for one extra person.

Take my hand brother you will not fill that spot alone.

[Madecologist]

In addition I do not see videogames as art. I actually hate art and artists in general. My arguements and opinions do not stem of creative rights or anything like that. But from the most callous and cruel views of commercialism.

Extreme consequences for the failure to provide an adequate product.

[Tazzmission]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

If they (the artist) decide that they want to change their art, they are free to do so. But we have no right to demand a change within art. To demand that an artist changes his art is silly to say the least. We may voice our displeasure. We may decide not to buy future products of the artist. We may even suggest the artist to change his art. but we cannot DEMAND the artist to change his art.

This, people need to understand the distinction.

Except, we are allowed to demand one.

It's in the Constitution and many other countries' founding documents.

the constituion also says people  have freedom of speech so should the kkk say what they say even though you know its wrong?


just because they have such a right dosent make it ok still

They are allowed to under the Constitution, and I respect that, even if I think those bigots should go die.

Also, you are comparing us to the KKK? That's just stupid.

your movment compared itself to both the civil rights and womens movment last week in the non spoiler section buddy

so hey if they want to play it like that then yea i will say you are just like kkk

Lol, you aren't the brightest. I obviously can't reason with you, much less understand your grammar.

apparently you dont understand anything at all

must be that silver spoon shoved in your mouth seeing as you are a sppoiled little kid

[Mad-Hamlet]

Troll thread guys...

I know, I know. I'm just getting so sick of it.

[ashdrake1]

demin8891 wrote...

http://4funz.com/Fun...hread-again-167

I wonder how many times this image would show if it was in all the change the ending threads.

[Unit-Alpha]

Luc0s wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I don't remember OP ever holding the line in the first place.

That's what I said.

I've been holding the line since the beginning. Just look at my signature, which is still a leftover from the time I was holding the line. I'll change my signature when I find something new to put there.

Or you just liked the meme, who knows? I've never seen you in a single thread, and I've been here since the beginning.

[Marque De Leon]

Tazzmission wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Troll thread guys...

tell you what tough guy you want a troll come meet me on another forum because ill show you trolling

dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk

OMG, did he just... call someone out on the internet?

[bluewolv1970]

Shock n Awe wrote...

Doyle changed the ending to Sherlock Holmes, Bethesda changed the ending to Fallout 3.

Considering we, the fans, are the reason the game was made, I feel it's completely fair for us, the consumers, to ask for the product to be changed if the majority feel it is defective in some way.

exactly - and in Betehsda's case everyone won - fans were happy and they made money - and frankly Broken Steel was great (and high quality)

[katamuro]

so why are you posting exactly? If you decided to just roll over and accept sure I guess its ok for some people. is it wrong to demand better value for our money? I think not, and as consumers that is one of our responsibilities so that game company evolves and stays true to the goal of providing quality entertainment for general satisfaction of the consumers.
Supporting bioware no matter what it does? That leads to lazy desing, degradation of product and exploitation of consumers by company. It is not good for anyone but the bigwigs receiving money.
by the way if you decided to write such a thread involving this tone, and continue to post here using same kind of wording I see no reason why you are surprised people are attacking you. Or why you even try to keep this farce going.
After all if you decided to be human just waiting to be exploited by someone there are ways much easier than this.

[FellishBeast]

Art can take on a life of its own, and sometimes even it's original creator can get in the way of its integrity. An author controls the story of her novel, but once characters and plots are established, she cannot deviate from them unless she is able to craft something both powerful enough but still believable to guide this course. BioWare invoke the deus ex machina. That is NOT art.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. But the FACTS show that we have been lied to, and HISTORY says these things CAN be changed and work out for the better.

'nuff said.

[Aurica]

Aznable Char wrote...

 Luc0s , I believe if you were to look over at my post (gosh this thread moves so fast) , I can demonstrate how you are still right and why the Retake movement is still valid in the new parameters you have come to appreciate about movies and art .

Yea I read your post.  I fully agree with you.

[Unit-Alpha]

Tazzmission wrote...

apparently you dont understand anything at all

must be that silver spoon shoved in your mouth seeing as you are a sppoiled little kid

Son, you are literally the most ignorant and unintelligent person I've seen this entire night.

"Silver spoon?"

Hahahaha...

[Pottumuusi]

Luc0s wrote...

And you need to understand the disctinction between video-games as a commodity and game art within video-games.

You need to understand that art doesn't exist.

Tazzmission wrote...

the constituion also says people  have freedom of speech so should the kkk say what they say even though you know its wrong?


just because they have such a right dosent make it ok still

Yeah absolutely the KKK should be allowed to say whatever. Like you said, most people realise that the KKK are a bunch of worthless scumbags so what harm does it do. The Westboro Baptist Church does absolutely nasty stuff as well but as long as they don't go killing or assaulting ect any of dem sinful heathens they can do whatever they like as far as I'm concerned.

[Unit-Alpha]

Marque De Leon wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Troll thread guys...

tell you what tough guy you want a troll come meet me on another forum because ill show you trolling

dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk

OMG, did he just... call someone out on the internet?

WHAT!?

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 24 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[demin8891]

ashdrake1 wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

http://4funz.com/Fun...hread-again-167

I wonder how many times this image would show if it was in all the change the ending threads.

I'm trying my damndest to make that happen. Alas, I am but one forumite.

Modifié par demin8891, 24 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[Grasich]

Tazzmission wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

Troll thread guys...

tell you what tough guy you want a troll come meet me on another forum because ill show you trolling

dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk