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[ashdrake1]

Ahh yes my reading comprehension must be faulty if I have a different opinion.

[JohnnyG]

So it okay for them to blatantly lie to us, easpecially after the game has gone gold?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10473356/1

[wantedman dan]

MeganHunter wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
You guys (especially you) are really childish.

I think I finally understand why this forum has such a bad reputation on the internet (on other forums and even outside forums BSN has a bad reputation).

I'm done with this. I'll be hanging on The Witcher forums for those who wish to speak with me without these children interfering.

See ya!

Yeah, you sure do have a lot of valence in labeling others as children.

I feel bad for him, because there's nothing wrong with his initial assertion, even if I disagree. But he wasn't expecting the speed or severity of the response (trying to watch pages were jumping up left and right) and spent his whole time here just sniping at people. The internet, she is a harsh mistress that makes us dance for her amusement.

There's plently logically wrong with his assertion in and of itself, but there is nothing wrong with him making it, no.

Modifié par wantedman dan, 24 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[Marque De Leon]

MeganHunter wrote...

I feel bad for him, because there's nothing wrong with his initial assertion, even if I disagree. But he wasn't expecting the speed or severity of the response (trying to watch pages were jumping up left and right) and spent his whole time here just sniping at people. The internet, she is a harsh mistress that makes us dance for her amusement.

Don't feel bad for him.  There are people like me who share his views (except for certain semantics) and are able to not make a spectacle of ourselves.

[durasteel]

Doesn't matter whether the OP changed his mind. I'm prepared to take him at his word and not doubt his sincerity. His current position, though, is really only different from the "retake" position in semantics, not substance.

We all agree that the end sucks. We all agree that BioWare should fix it. Whether you think that we should specifically petition BioWare for the fix, or we should simply register our dislike and BioWare, being responsive to their customers, should decide on their own to fix it is just blah blah blah hot air.

If I make something for someone and it is so crappy that the other person expresses dissatisfaction, I should fix it. It isn't an issue of entitlement, or demands, or obligation. It's a simple matter of taking pride in my work, admitting my mistakes, and being willing to correct them.

This isn't rocket surgery.

[Dreogan]

wantedman dan wrote...
There's plently logically wrong with him making the assertion, but there is nothing wrong with him making it, no.

This quote  broke my head. Please, people, it's fine to admit there are wrong opinions or idiotic assertions. Not all opinions are valid; those that can't stand up to debate have no right to exist.

Modifié par Dreogan, 24 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Unit-Alpha]

durasteel wrote...

Doesn't matter whether the OP changed his mind. I'm prepared to take him at his word and not doubt his sincerity. His current position, though, is really only different from the "retake" position in semantics, not substance.

We all agree that the end sucks. We all agree that BioWare should fix it. Whether you think that we should specifically petition BioWare for the fix, or we should simply register our dislike and BioWare, being responsive to their customers, should decide on their own to fix it is just blah blah blah hot air.

If I make something for someone and it is so crappy that the other person expresses dissatisfaction, I should fix it. It isn't an issue of entitlement, or demands, or obligation. It's a simple matter of taking pride in my work, admitting my mistakes, and being willing to correct them.

This isn't rocket surgery.

Oh god, rockets are sentient now?

Welp, might as well just end it now.

[Ryoten]

Artistic integrity is a pile of cr@p that should be removed from the english language. As Javik would say "punishable by death"

Modifié par Ryoten, 24 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Rulycar]

jreezy wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Hasn't this been covered before?
They have the right to make any sort of ending they want.
I have a right to think that their ending is terrible and say that it would be better if they did X.
They have the right to change or not change the endings if they want to. They just have to decide if they like their "artistic integrity" or whatever better than they like my money.

They already got your money.

Yeah, but my "art" ended with buy dlc text, I think they would like more

[Alamar2078]

@OP: I see that in your article you don't address what to me is a very good reason why demanding a better ending is "right" .... That reason is BW made statements about the game pre-launch that I believe have not been met.

If you agree that BW made statements about the game that are not met then demanding that BW live up to their word is IMHO the right thing to do.

Now if you don't care about that and wrote it off as "marketing crap that nobody follows through on" then I would tend to agree with you that it's BW's story and they can do with it whatever they want.

[wantedman dan]

Dreogan wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...
There's plently logically wrong with him making the assertion, but there is nothing wrong with him making it, no.

This quote  broke my head. Please, people, it's fine to admit there are wrong opinions or idiotic assertions. Not all opinions are valid; those that can't stand up to debate have no right to exist.

K great

[ZoMbIEx23x]

I'd like to quote Suzan O' Connor from the aritcle you linked.

"If players know from the get-go that they’re playing an authored game—or if they’re lulled into complacency with the illusion of agency—then they’ll accept an authored ending, as we’ve seen with other successful games. The trick is to know up front which kind of game the team is making, so that they can set player expectation—AND TEAM expectation as well. If the creatives know up front that they’re not the ones telling the story—that their job is to give players the tools to tell their own story, and then get out of the way—then they’ll come at the work from a completely different place. And the end result will be dramatically different."

We should have a say in in the ending. We were given A, B, and C which is not what we were promised. I still like the ending sequence, however I hate all the plot holes which riddle it like the bullet holes in a Mafia car door.

[cactusberry]

The line is stumbling.

[NamelessJT]

Good article, I'm usually behind anything Jesse Schell has to say. The OP doesn't seem to understand the power of information he posted, though. Oh well - to each their own?

I also like the developers who seem to defend the concept of "art" are those who said they didn't play the game or are developers for games that did not generate as much "success" as previous titles or are merely working on someone else's IP (intellectual property).

[wantedman dan]

TheDarkRats wrote...

The line is stumbling.

Why do people keep saying this?

One person freaks out and all of the sudden, "OH GOD ITS THE END OF THE MOVEMENT"

[withneelandi]

durasteel wrote...

Doesn't matter whether the OP changed his mind. I'm prepared to take him at his word and not doubt his sincerity. His current position, though, is really only different from the "retake" position in semantics, not substance.

We all agree that the end sucks. We all agree that BioWare should fix it. Whether you think that we should specifically petition BioWare for the fix, or we should simply register our dislike and BioWare, being responsive to their customers, should decide on their own to fix it is just blah blah blah hot air.

If I make something for someone and it is so crappy that the other person expresses dissatisfaction, I should fix it. It isn't an issue of entitlement, or demands, or obligation. It's a simple matter of taking pride in my work, admitting my mistakes, and being willing to correct them.

This isn't rocket surgery.

I agree that the ending is awful. I'm pretty conflicted on them changing it, for the reasons set out in my post a few pages back.

Lets not make blanket "everyone agree's statments".  I'm sure i'm not the only one who doesn't quite know what they think.

[Dragoonlordz]

I'll fill you lot in a little common sense and logic though you may already realise such but won't admit it.

The reason why your group cannot get what you want and in the end survive is because it is a group made up of many people with different goals from some who want a complete rewrite to the endings, some who want some rewriting but not other elements, some who want expansion to what exists already and other who want expansion prior to the end relating to assets, some who want epilogue style content mere exposition on what currently exists, some who want indoctrination and others who do not plus others who want 16 endings or some that want just one additional ending (the happy kind). The only thing keeping you as a group even together is your dislike of what currently exists and nothing more. You have no unique and specific goal that ties in with what others within the group want.

This is your downfall and why Bioware should not have you decide what to do but instead should do what they want while just listen to various concerns which is something they have always done in the form of feedback.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Grasich]

AzaZeLgaming wrote...

blah blah blah blah

http://gotgame.com/2...fect-3s-ending/

... read & learn plz.

I enjoyed this article, thank you sir.

[jess05]

JohnnyG wrote...

So it okay for them to blatantly lie to us, easpecially after the game has gone gold?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10473356/1

This.

Seriously, this is the worst of it all.

I can see very early on saying something, and then plans change.  But after a certain point, they had to know what they were telling us was not what they were selling us.

Modifié par jess05, 24 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'll fill you lot in a little common sense and logic thought you may already realise such but won't admit it.

The reason why your group cannot get what you want and in the end survive is because it is a group made up of many with different goals from some who want a complete rewrite to the endings, some who want some rewriting or cut but not other elements, some who want expansion to what exists already and other who want expansion prior to the end relating to assets, some who want epilogue style content mere exposition on what currently exists, some who want indoctrination and others who do not. The only thing keeping you as a group even together is your dislike of what currently exists and nothing more. You have no unique and specific goal that ties in with what others within the group want.

This is your downfall and why Bioware should not have you decide what to do but instead should do what they want while just listen to various concerns which is something they have always done in the form of feedback.

This hurts me.

[Marque De Leon]

TheDarkRats wrote...

The line is stumbling.

That's only because they tried to do the cabaret.

[Unholy Misery]

It honestly isn't stupid to ask them to change the ending when they blatantly lied to us in comments pre-release of the game and it makes most of out gameplay in the other 2 redundant. Whilst it may be an artform we can critique it and the artist can change it, it happens all the time.

[wantedman dan]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'll fill you lot in a little common sense and logic thought you may already realise such but won't admit it.

The reason why your group cannot get what you want and in the end survive is because it is a group made up of many with different goals from some who want a complete rewrite to the endings, some who want some rewriting or cut but not other elements, some who want expansion to what exists already and other who want expansion prior to the end relating to assets, some who want epilogue style content mere exposition on what currently exists, some who want indoctrination and others who do not. The only thing keeping you as a group even together is your dislike of what currently exists and nothing more. You have no unique and specific goal that ties in with what others within the group want.

This is your downfall and why Bioware should not have you decide what to do but instead should do what they want while just listen to various concerns which is something they have always done in the form of feedback.

This hurts me.

Harbinger would be proud.

[Rob_Nix]

The game is about making choices. Those choices affect the ending. That ending ignored our choices. HOLD THE LINE.

[Rockpopple]

I still can't believe Dragoonlordz and I are on the same side on this. Our battles about Dragon Age 2 were the stuff of legends.

Seriously, this is kinda freaking me out.