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[firebreather19]

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

[locsphere]

Agree to disagree, this is a great story, with an ending that was clearly not what was intended and after being promised something only to have been lied to, dispite all their great points. The point here is, to hold people and their claims accountable. I respect your decision to change a stance! Not many have the courage of self reflection.

Modifié par locsphere, 24 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[firebreather19]

malra wrote...

hey, isn't battlefield 3 one of those games where EA listened to the community and made changes?

To multiplayer maybe, but that's a gameplay element, not narrative. You're asking them to change the story in ME3, not the fact that Shepard can vault over objects. 

[Unit-Alpha]

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

That is not what this thread is about. Go to the other ending thread.

[firebreather19]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Rawr rawr rawr bioware i'm so mad you can't have my 60 dollars take that i bet your pocket full of 6000000000000 dollars is going to feel it


Come on, if people actually do manage to commit to not buying Bioware games, it's not going to matter because EA owns it and Madden, NCAA, Battlefield, etc. will never go away. And that money funnels in so Bioware can make their masterpiece games and EA gets popularity and association with fantastic games like Dead Space and ME. You are not that important that the entirety of game development will change because one person wants to hurt themselves by not purchasing good video games.

Ah, I love people like you. So ripe for the mocking.

But really, don't you think it's a little sad people expect Bioware to look at the forums and say "Hey, that guy's not buying any more of our stuff. We need to fix this NOW!" 

Seriously, I was like one of 10 people who loved Dragon Age 2. I can't imagine how batcrazy the forums were when that game came out.

Yeah, when it's 50,000+ people motivated enough to find and join a FB group about it, and hundreds of thousands more who just accepted it, you have a problem.

Oh no they joined a Facebook group. That was...well, really quite bandwagony of them.

classy. Guess what happened to sale of your beloved DA2? They collapsed to 20% of DAO's in 3 weeks.

Also, that *is* trolling, FYI.

"Trolling" just keeps being used to argue back without even saying anything. Sounds more like you're trolling because instead of anything useful you're just resulting to lame internet lingo. 

[firebreather19]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

That is not what this thread is about. Go to the other ending thread.

Someone just posted about it and I can't reply? Little bit rude. 

[Cyph3rX]

firebreather19 wrote...

malra wrote...

hey, isn't battlefield 3 one of those games where EA listened to the community and made changes?

To multiplayer maybe, but that's a gameplay element, not narrative. You're asking them to change the story in ME3, not the fact that Shepard can vault over objects. 

Except multiplayer has always been integral to the Battlefield experience, just like consistent compelling story is to ME1-3.

[Unit-Alpha]

firebreather19 wrote...

"Trolling" just keeps being used to argue back without even saying anything. Sounds more like you're trolling because instead of anything useful you're just resulting to lame internet lingo. 

So says the guy who just claimed the people who joined the FB group were jumping on the bandwagon. Very mature. You are on a corporate bandwagon, so how's that feel?

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 24 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[Dethead123]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

That is not what this thread is about. Go to the other ending thread.

But I will reply to it. It's not that we "want our cake and eat it too". We want logic. We were told before that the relays exploding would destroy everything in that system around it. Add to the fact that we have billions to trillions of people stuck in the Sol system who will die from starvation. And then we're told to treat it as a bittersweet ending. That's at least what I have a issue with.

[Unit-Alpha]

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

That is not what this thread is about. Go to the other ending thread.

Someone just posted about it and I can't reply? Little bit rude. 

This is the internet, deal with it. The thread's about the OP's post and related elements. This is just gonna throw us into a tangent.

[xxskyshadowxx]

[quote]ashdrake1 wrote...

[quote]MetalCargo999 wrote...

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[quote]MetalCargo999 wrote...

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[quote]MetalCargo999 wrote...

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[quote]MetalCargo999 wrote...

 I still stand behind Casey being resentful in his response to the fan outcry. 

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I can't stand by it myself...because everything he stated the ending wasn't, it was...and everything he said it was, it wasn't. You can't even call it a creative writing because a solid chunk of it was already in an older game (tho' i haven't checked to see if he wrote for that game as well...he could've just been borrowing from his own older work, but I digress). You can write anything you want, just don't sucker consumers into buying it by misrepresenting it. Being resentful of fans calling him out on that is a bit ridiculous.

Edit: AHHHHHH! Trapped in a quote pyramid....someone get me some !!!!

Modifié par xxskyshadowxx, 24 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Chronor]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Oh, my conniving Liara...

She's a devious one she is.

"What? No!"

How could anyone say no to that?

she's the Shadow Broker!  What do you expect?! 

*conniviing little blue [beep!]

[Dethead123]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

That is not what this thread is about. Go to the other ending thread.

Someone just posted about it and I can't reply? Little bit rude. 

This is the internet, deal with it. The thread's about the OP's post and related elements. This is just gonna throw us into a tangent.

Agreed. If you want to ask why we think the Mass Relays being blown up is dumb then go make a new thread or use the search bar to revive the thousand of other ones.

[Jackal7713]

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Rawr rawr rawr bioware i'm so mad you can't have my 60 dollars take that i bet your pocket full of 6000000000000 dollars is going to feel it


Come on, if people actually do manage to commit to not buying Bioware games, it's not going to matter because EA owns it and Madden, NCAA, Battlefield, etc. will never go away. And that money funnels in so Bioware can make their masterpiece games and EA gets popularity and association with fantastic games like Dead Space and ME. You are not that important that the entirety of game development will change because one person wants to hurt themselves by not purchasing good video games.

Ah, I love people like you. So ripe for the mocking.

But really, don't you think it's a little sad people expect Bioware to look at the forums and say "Hey, that guy's not buying any more of our stuff. We need to fix this NOW!" 

Seriously, I was like one of 10 people who loved Dragon Age 2. I can't imagine how batcrazy the forums were when that game came out.

Yeah, when it's 50,000+ people motivated enough to find and join a FB group about it, and hundreds of thousands more who just accepted it, you have a problem.

Oh no they joined a Facebook group. That was...well, really quite bandwagony of them.

classy. Guess what happened to sale of your beloved DA2? They collapsed to 20% of DAO's in 3 weeks.

Also, that *is* trolling, FYI.

"Trolling" just keeps being used to argue back without even saying anything. Sounds more like you're trolling because instead of anything useful you're just resulting to lame internet lingo. 

No. Because you are in fact trolling. You not trying to debate, your being condescending.

[deaditegonzo102]

They sold me a broken/incomplete product. That is all this comes down to. Between me and Bioware, it isnt that we have a conflicting artistic vision, that is something different altogether.

What matters is that the ending, in a literal sense, was broken and incomplete. Plot holes like the obvious ones left in the final product, reveal that the company did not take that part serious, or give their full effort.

[firebreather19]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

"Trolling" just keeps being used to argue back without even saying anything. Sounds more like you're trolling because instead of anything useful you're just resulting to lame internet lingo. 

So says the guy who just claimed the people who joined the FB group were getting on the bandwagon. Very mature. You are on a corporate bandwagon, so how's that feel?

It IS jumping on a bandwagon. Get over it. Being educated about a subject isn't difficult, and neither is questioning your own motives and intentions, or considering what accountability really is. That's all I'm asking for is people to step aside, chill out, take a breath, and look at things from an objective view. 

[KustomDeluxe]

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

Edit: Removed for off-topicness.

Modifié par KustomDeluxe, 24 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[malra]

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

thanks for responding on the other, i don't normally play shooters so wasn't sure.  in response to this, why does the destruction of the reapers ensure the destruction of all repear technology.  Were the reapers actually maintaining some sort of control over the actual existence of the technology?  if bill gates ceases to exist do all microsoft products cease to exist?  is the technology that he has created dependent on his continued existance?  of course not, this was just one more example of overkill and earth scorching. 

[Unit-Alpha]

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

"Trolling" just keeps being used to argue back without even saying anything. Sounds more like you're trolling because instead of anything useful you're just resulting to lame internet lingo. 

So says the guy who just claimed the people who joined the FB group were getting on the bandwagon. Very mature. You are on a corporate bandwagon, so how's that feel?

It IS jumping on a bandwagon. Get over it. Being educated about a subject isn't difficult, and neither is questioning your own motives and intentions, or considering what accountability really is. That's all I'm asking for is people to step aside, chill out, take a breath, and look at things from an objective view. 

Too bad you are also jumping on a bandwagon, in that case, one run by the paid gaming media, Bioware, and EA. So the same goes for you.

[KustomDeluxe]

[quote]KustomDeluxe wrote...

[quote]firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).[/quote]
Edit: Removed for off-topicness.

Modifié par KustomDeluxe, 24 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[firebreather19]

Dethead123 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

That is not what this thread is about. Go to the other ending thread.

But I will reply to it. It's not that we "want our cake and eat it too". We want logic. We were told before that the relays exploding would destroy everything in that system around it. Add to the fact that we have billions to trillions of people stuck in the Sol system who will die from starvation. And then we're told to treat it as a bittersweet ending. That's at least what I have a issue with.

Relays aren't destroyed in the same manner...shut down before structure collapses. For instance, Joker would've been eliminated too if that were like the Alpha Relay's explosion. It's comparing a nuclear bomb exploding to an empty shell being dropped. Still soem destruction, but there's no energy. 

[Jackal7713]

Chronor wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Oh, my conniving Liara...

She's a devious one she is.

"What? No!"

How could anyone say no to that?

she's the Shadow Broker!  What do you expect?! 

*conniviing little blue [beep!]

Liara needs love too. Plus the universe is screwed anyways via the reapers.

Even if it wasn't,  it needs to be re-populated and my Shepard is ready to help!

Modifié par Jackal7713, 24 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Jackal7713 wrote...

No. Because you are in fact trolling. You not trying to debate, your being condescending.

Bingo. This is trolling because you are putting down the people who joined the FB group.

[logan23tom78]

I say Hold the Line.

[MetalCargo999]

[/quote]

I disagree with the homogenized story.  This form of story telling lends itself to presenting several options the story can go.  Look at Mass Effect 2, for example.  You can actually die, as Shepard, in the end game.  I actually found this ending to be very powerful, and twhen Shepard's role in the conversation was filled by Joker?  Fantastic!  Risk isn't the problem.  Getting it right is the problem.  Do you think Bioware would be making changes or additions if people weren't poking holes through the endings like swiss cheese?  Probably not, because while people may personally dislike the ending, they can't really argue against its validity as an ending.

As for the DLC thing, I totally agree, and it scares me.  But I'm likely not going to play a lot of video games after ME3 because of how terrible it has made me feel about the gaming industry as a whole.  - metalcargo999[/quote]

I personally don't think that is a great example of risky story telling.  Regardless if you have a game where shepard dies his story still continues in the next one. There was going to be a sequel and shepard was the star.  If they had hired t2o more voice actors and had a fill in for shepard, it would have meant something in the long run.  By having mass effect 3 with shepard as the lead it was made canon.

The only thing about the end of 2 that had weight was the fact members of your crew could die, because that carried over. 

I very much think they would make changes and additions if you were not able to poke holes in the story.  Again that is not the sole drive behind this movement.  Many people of the movement want to be able able to put a bullet in the catalyst while shouting "reap this!", then go home and bang the cheerleader.  Enough people that EA would be able to make a fast buck.  I still stand behind Casey being resentful in his response to the fan outcry.  I think he honestly is willing to stand by the ending, it's not biowares call though.  

EA will make money off this and Bioware will take less chances.  This will affect our wallets and biowares stories.
- ashdrake1
[/quote]

You're sort of making my point in a weird way, though.  You're saying that risk, with respect to the Mass Effect 3 story, involves taking away player choice and forcing authorial intent.  This, I would argue, flies in the face of the very nature of this form of story telling.  I said earlier how hijacking your art to make a point instead of using it is not good work.  I think this applies here. 

While I understand where you're coming from, I can't accept such a constrained ending as being good seeing how one of the developers even said that there is no canon for Shepard.  Each of us makes our own canon.  There hasn't been any good justification for sacrificing the nature of this form of storytelling beyond, "because it's the ending.  Obviously."  This really doesn't work for me.  Ultimately, in a strange way, I'm asking Bioware to not sacrifice its art for the sake of polarity, and to do what it always has done, only in increasing measure.

But honestly at this point, just give me closure and fill whatever plot holes appear to exist, and I'm happy.  To watch them on Youtube and see if they're any good.  Then buy them if they're worth it.

Modifié par MetalCargo999, 24 mars 2012 - 04:32 .