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[firebreather19]

malra wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

I still don't understand why it's so unreasonable that the Mass Relays are destroyed. I mean the Reapers built them to guide us where they want us. You can't have your cake (get rid of the Reapers) and eat it too (keep yo Relays).

thanks for responding on the other, i don't normally play shooters so wasn't sure.  in response to this, why does the destruction of the reapers ensure the destruction of all repear technology.  Were the reapers actually maintaining some sort of control over the actual existence of the technology?  if bill gates ceases to exist do all microsoft products cease to exist?  is the technology that he has created dependent on his continued existance?  of course not, this was just one more example of overkill and earth scorching. 

Good thoughts, thanks for responding. In some ways, to me anyways, the Relays were kind of a gift with strings...almost like "you get this, but then eventually we come." The relays can be built again sure but then it would be a product of organics and not synthetic beings, and meant for a different--hopefully more noble--purpose. There's nothing saying they'd HAVE to be destroyed I guess, but in terms of story I think it's fitting. 

[Reth Shepherd]

We are perfectly within our rights to request a different ending. We were promised many things that the ending would have and received none of them. Breach of promise on their end.

[Dethead123]

firebreather19 wrote...

Relays aren't destroyed in the same manner...shut down before structure collapses. For instance, Joker would've been eliminated too if that were like the Alpha Relay's explosion. It's comparing a nuclear bomb exploding to an empty shell being dropped. Still soem destruction, but there's no energy. 

That isn't explained at all in the game. You are insinuating that without any actual evidence to support your claim. Which is fine if Bioware's goal was for us to speculate (which if so...SUCCESS!) but sorry without any kind of evidence to back that theory I'm afraid I have to say our endings are just stupid.

By the way I love all you people but I get the feeling this thread is gonna get closed soon lol.

[firebreather19]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

No. Because you are in fact trolling. You not trying to debate, your being condescending.

Bingo. This is trolling because you are putting down the people who joined the FB group.

You're trolling because you call me a troll.



Really, if we're going to do this why don't I just say I'm rubber and you're glue. 

[firebreather19]

Dethead123 wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Relays aren't destroyed in the same manner...shut down before structure collapses. For instance, Joker would've been eliminated too if that were like the Alpha Relay's explosion. It's comparing a nuclear bomb exploding to an empty shell being dropped. Still soem destruction, but there's no energy. 

That isn't explained at all in the game. You are insinuating that without any actual evidence to support your claim. Which is fine if Bioware's goal was for us to speculate (which if so...SUCCESS!) but sorry without any kind of evidence to back that theory I'm afraid I have to say our endings are just stupid.

By the way I love all you people but I get the feeling this thread is gonna get closed soon lol.

You're insinuating all the clusters are destroyed without seeing it. I saw the difference between the Alpha Relays and the others shutting down. It's not proof, but it holds enough water.

[Nobrandminda]

 In a world where DLC exists, asking for any change or addition to a video game is completely fair.

[Lexagg]

OP, I completely agree with you. It's completely up to them to make up their minds and decide whether they want to keep their fans or not. No one is forcing anyone.

[Dethead123]

firebreather19 wrote...

Dethead123 wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Relays aren't destroyed in the same manner...shut down before structure collapses. For instance, Joker would've been eliminated too if that were like the Alpha Relay's explosion. It's comparing a nuclear bomb exploding to an empty shell being dropped. Still soem destruction, but there's no energy. 

That isn't explained at all in the game. You are insinuating that without any actual evidence to support your claim. Which is fine if Bioware's goal was for us to speculate (which if so...SUCCESS!) but sorry without any kind of evidence to back that theory I'm afraid I have to say our endings are just stupid.

By the way I love all you people but I get the feeling this thread is gonna get closed soon lol.

You're insinuating all the clusters are destroyed without seeing it. I saw the difference between the Alpha Relays and the others shutting down. It's not proof, but it holds enough water.

Neither of our theorys can be proven cause Bioware decided not to show it. Which is one of the main reasons why I dislike our current endings. Believe me pal if your theory is right and they can prove it that's fanfriggentastic. Doesn't take away the fact that trillions of guys are stuck in the sol system with rations

[Cyph3rX]

Paulomedi wrote...

I think it's simple. People here LOVE Mass Effect, and they're just trying to prevent 10 min of gameplay destroying +100 hours of a fantastic experience. If it wasn't anything short of fantastic, nobody, I repeat, NOBODY

Not trying to nitpick but I think your thought got cut off here.

[MetalCargo999]

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[quote]MetalCargo999 wrote...

[quote]ashdrake1 wrote...

[quote]MetalCargo999 wrote...

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[quote]MetalCargo999 wrote...

 I still stand behind Casey being resentful in his response to the fan outcry. 

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I can't stand by it myself...because everything he stated the ending wasn't, it was...and everything he said it was, it wasn't. You can't even call it a creative writing because a solid chunk of it was already in an older game (tho' i haven't checked to see if he wrote for that game as well...he could've just been borrowing from his own older work, but I digress). You can write anything you want, just don't sucker consumers into buying it by misrepresenting it. Being resentful of fans calling him out on that is a bit ridiculous.

Edit: AHHHHHH! Trapped in a quote pyramid....someone get me some !!!![/quote]

?  sorry but I don't get it.  I don't usually write on forums and so I'm not familiar with ettiquette and slang.

[Unit-Alpha]

firebreather19 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

No. Because you are in fact trolling. You not trying to debate, your being condescending.

Bingo. This is trolling because you are putting down the people who joined the FB group.

You're trolling because you call me a troll.



Really, if we're going to do this why don't I just say I'm rubber and you're glue. 

What? You serious? I see that you obviously don't have a lot of experience in Bioware RPGs, but this is not how we operate.

[Cyph3rX]

On a lighter note, anyone else think these quote pyramids are starting to look like Aztec and Mayan temples?

[Chronor]

Ahem... you know this talk about the relays exploding is another one of those plot holes that many have an issue.

ME1 and ME2 already notified the player that the relays are Reaper technology. On the one hand, destruction of the Reapers justifies destruction of the Relays. This could even be taken further that majority, if not all, of the ME universe technology will be destroyed because they are based on the mass effect phenomenon. On the other hand, there is a disconnect as to how the rest of the survivors will actually, well, survive after the explosion. Even if you survive, what kind of epilogue did the game give to even hint at the fate of the galaxy considering the logistical and resource nightmare aftermath. There's too many incongruencies and plot holes that frankly should not be there from the BW team.

[Nyila]

Cyph3rX wrote...

On a lighter note, anyone else think these quote pyramids are starting to look like Aztec and Mayan temples?

It's art!

[Unit-Alpha]

Nyila wrote...

Cyph3rX wrote...

On a lighter note, anyone else think these quote pyramids are starting to look like Aztec and Mayan temples?

It's art!

If you break the quote pyramid, IGN will write a story about how you destroyed art.

You heard it here first, folks.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 24 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[Cyph3rX]

Nyila wrote...

Cyph3rX wrote...

On a lighter note, anyone else think these quote pyramids are starting to look like Aztec and Mayan temples?

It's art!

Stop the internet, this thread has been won.

[Lugaidster]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

You really are stretching it there. Mass produced art is still art, whether you like it or not. Demanding that they change the ending because you paid for the game won't get us anywhere. That's about as anoyingly childish and entitled as you can get and does nothing but diminish the value of the movement. If you dismiss it as art, then there's no reader-writter contract in the first place as that only takes place as a result of art. 

Get your act together. Stay civil.

@OP I disagree with you. The decision about the ending was always going to be Bioware's and that it's ultimately their decision (again) on how to address the issues in the game. I'm not the executive producer or the director of it, so yeah, I won't pretend to do their job. But I won't support it if I'm left disappointed. PC Gamer's article goes to prove that it's their decision, nothing more, nothing less.

It's as much their prerrogative to "cave" to demands as is mine to make the demands and no one should feel bad or "entitled" about it, as long as the demands are reasonable in terms of argument (see above).

[seek37]

false advertising, if they want to play the art integrity card, well then what about all that advertising that stated that we would be buying a interactive game where our choices matter? misinforming your consumer base seems borderline anti-competative which is to some degree against the law...

[Unit-Alpha]

Cyph3rX wrote...


Stop the internet, this thread has been won.

Just shut the whole damn thing down.

[Reptilian Rob]

Lugaidster wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

You really are stretching it there. Mass produced art is still art, whether you like it or not. Demanding that they change the ending because you paid for the game won't get us anywhere. That's about as anoyingly childish and entitled as you can get and does nothing but diminish the value of the movement. If you dismiss it as art, then there's no reader-writter contract in the first place as that only takes place as a result of art. 

Get your act together. Stay civil.

@OP I disagree with you. The decision about the ending was always going to be Bioware's and that it's ultimately their decision (again) on how to address the issues in the game. I'm not the executive producer or the director of it, so yeah, I won't pretend to do their job. But I won't support it if I'm left disappointed. PC Gamer's article goes to prove that it's their decision, nothing more, nothing less.

It's as much their prerrogative to "cave" to demands as is mine to make the demands and no one should feel bad or "entitled" about it, as long as the demands are reasonable in terms of argument (see above).

Day one DLC.

Not art. 

[FemmeShep]

I still don't think this can be looked at like other stories. It's an interactive story, that asked the audience to participate. From a marketing point of view, it's how the sold the product. For you to be able to shape your own story.

If the core fan base is not happy with the ending, why is it so bad for BioWare to add more ending options? I can understand them not wanting to outright change the ending. But why not have multiple endings? This is a game about choice, no? So why is it even confined to such limited endings in the first place...

Plus I personally believe that the ending was written without the input of the writing staff. So I almost feel like, if two people basically decided how this story would end for all of us (including the writing staff), why is that acceptable, but fans wanting more choice isn't?

Regardless how you feel about the ending (like or dislike it) - most of us can agree that the endings didn't provide a lot of choice. And in comparison to the rest of the game, it doesn't really line up (in regards to diversity and choice). 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 24 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Lugaidster wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

You really are stretching it there. Mass produced art is still art, whether you like it or not. Demanding that they change the ending because you paid for the game won't get us anywhere. That's about as anoyingly childish and entitled as you can get and does nothing but diminish the value of the movement. If you dismiss it as art, then there's no reader-writter contract in the first place as that only takes place as a result of art. 

Get your act together. Stay civil.

@OP I disagree with you. The decision about the ending was always going to be Bioware's and that it's ultimately their decision (again) on how to address the issues in the game. I'm not the executive producer or the director of it, so yeah, I won't pretend to do their job. But I won't support it if I'm left disappointed. PC Gamer's article goes to prove that it's their decision, nothing more, nothing less.

It's as much their prerrogative to "cave" to demands as is mine to make the demands and no one should feel bad or "entitled" about it, as long as the demands are reasonable in terms of argument (see above).

Let's play a game I like to call "Find the derogatory words."

Demanding
anoyingly
childish
entitled
cave
entitled

[Dethead123]

Thought this would be something entertaining to throw in here. Did this just a few minutes ago.