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[Unit-Alpha]

Renoscott wrote...

Mike wanted you to imagon the ending, much of what you must do with books.

I meant that entire post.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 24 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Lugaidster]

Dethead123 wrote...

Difference between Art for the Artist and Art for the People/Consumer.

One involved me paying for it.

That's nonsense. The game's artistic elements are clearly property of the creator. That much was clear before you bought the game. From the whole trademark thing to the whole copyright.

[shamE12]

http://www.myfacewhe...-ha-oh-wowEdit: This forums layout is god awful

Modifié par shamE12, 24 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Grasich wrote...

Renoscott wrote...

To have fans make there own concution of the ending of ME sires before they release the true ending, Mike wanted to see what the fans would come up with for the ending and well stupide people all go "AHHHG NO I DON'T WANT TO IMAGON ANYTHING FOR I HATE BOOKS AHHHG!"

You are a very confusing person.

ARTIST!!!!!

[Dethead123]

Grasich wrote...

Renoscott wrote...
Mike wanted you to imagon the ending, much of what you must do with books.

Whether I imagine a doomsday galactic dark age scenario or see it really doesn't make a difference. It sucks either way.

Can't agree more. I'm sorry Reno but you know what I do with my imagination? I imagine the whole last 10 minutes of ME didn't happen.

[Grasich]

*cough* trim quotes please.

[aliengmr1]

Renoscott wrote...

aliengmr1 wrote...

Renoscott wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Renoscott wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Renoscott wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Art is for the people. Paying for it makes it a commodity.

Art is from the creator, not the people.

I... what?

A creator makes a art pice with all his meaning, intenchons and symbolioms and puts it out for people to see. The people then view this art and try to make there own view of the art or see what the creator has made. It wasnt made FOR the people or BY the people.

Except this wasn't made for the artist's enjoyment, this was made for public consumption.So it was made for the people.

To have fans make there own concution of the ending of ME sires before they release the true ending, Mike wanted to see what the fans would come up with for the ending and well stupide people all go "AHHHG NO I DON'T WANT TO IMAGON ANYTHING FOR I HATE BOOKS AHHHG!"

books actually explain things, instead of giving you random pieces of imagery.

True but books will only give you a hint of what they want to see and hear, and leave the rest up for your mind to fill in the blanks, and I'm sure Mike knew of the ME fanfics and just wanted to give them more to go on for a wile. Hell DA is full of them.

By destroying the universe? really?

[orangesonic]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

no one said you must buy it... or did they?

[Cyph3rX]

Still kinda waiting for clarification on my last question, all I got was a negative description about what art is or what consumer products are. <_<

[Grasich]

orangesonic wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

no one said you must buy it... or did they?

I highlighted the important bit of that for you.

[Renoscott]

Dethead123 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Renoscott wrote...
Mike wanted you to imagon the ending, much of what you must do with books.

Whether I imagine a doomsday galactic dark age scenario or see it really doesn't make a difference. It sucks either way.

Can't agree more. I'm sorry Reno but you know what I do with my imagination? I imagine the whole last 10 minutes of ME didn't happen.

Thats the hole point of the indotrination theroy, just as shepred got hit by the reapers beam a dream started.

Also Im a dislexic I really don't mind if you point out my spelling errors.

Modifié par Renoscott, 24 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[aliengmr1]

Grasich wrote...

*cough* trim quotes please.

pyrimids = art  no:P

[orangesonic]

Lugaidster wrote...

Dethead123 wrote...

Difference between Art for the Artist and Art for the People/Consumer.

One involved me paying for it.

That's nonsense. The game's artistic elements are clearly property of the creator. That much was clear before you bought the game. From the whole trademark thing to the whole copyright.

agree

[Grasich]

Cyph3rX wrote...

Still kinda waiting for clarification on my last question, all I got was a negative description about what art is or what consumer products are. <_<

Which one? Sorry this thread is moving WAY too fast to keep up and comment at the same time.

[DemGeth]

Cyph3rX wrote...

Still kinda waiting for clarification on my last question, all I got was a negative description about what art is or what consumer products are. <_<

Don't worry one day us dirty peasents will rise up and get to see art, rather than all this stuff made for the masses phft. 

[Unit-Alpha]

Grasich wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

no one said you must buy it... or did they?

I highlighted the important bit of that for you.

People don't seem to get what that term means.

[Lugaidster]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Sorry, but claiming that art has an objective definition is patently untrue. The term is incredibly subjective.

And we aren't even talking about content here.

This game fits the commonly accepted consunsus (which is why it is the one that appears on dictionaries) on the meaning of the word in many societies, not just the american one. The term isn't subjective, the work that abides to the term's definition is. The definition is at most loose, not subjective. 

In any case, following your logic, you're contradicting yourself. If it is indeed not objective, then it's stupid to say the game is not art in absolute terms like you have said in the past posts. How can you if the definition is really subjective?

Read what I said again.

The definition is subjective. I never said that it was objectively art; it was merely making my subjective opinion known.

God, you pro-enders just *love* to project.

I'm not a pro-ender. Who said I was? Do you even read?

When you were asked if DA:O was art you said "No". You didn't say "No, to me it isn't". You sent a clear negative as if it was objectively true. Great way to contradict yourself. 

Sorry I had to put that obvious information into words. I just expected that most people would be intelligent enough to realize it one their own. Obviously, I was wrong.

If I say, "Toast is good," do I also need to say, "in my opinion?" No. It's implied.

Hahahaha, obvious? The question you were asked was "Then what is it then?" Not "what is it to you then?". Now you're just digging yourself into a hole, but keep going. I'm genuinely interested in seeing where you want to take this.

[Grasich]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Grasich wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

no one said you must buy it... or did they?

I highlighted the important bit of that for you.

People don't seem to get what that term means.

They really don't.

[dahellraider]

MARAUDER SHIELD HELD THE LINE WHY DON'T YOU

[Lugaidster]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Grasich wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

no one said you must buy it... or did they?

I highlighted the important bit of that for you.

People don't seem to get what that term means.

If you don't regard the game as art, then there's no reader-writter contract. For it to exist, the product has to be a literary work (art).

[Unit-Alpha]

*crappy quotes*

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 24 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[Jackal7713]

Dethead123 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Renoscott wrote...
Mike wanted you to imagon the ending, much of what you must do with books.

Whether I imagine a doomsday galactic dark age scenario or see it really doesn't make a difference. It sucks either way.

Can't agree more. I'm sorry Reno but you know what I do with my imagination? I imagine the whole last 10 minutes of ME didn't happen.

God if only those ten minutes were imaginary.:innocent:

[Renoscott]

[/quote]

By destroying the universe? really?

[/quote] I never sed I didn't hate the ending hell I see the plot holes and everything, it was a stupide way to end it and it was clearly rushed for that, Mike just simply wanted a way for it to end so more fanfics will come out i guess

[orangesonic]

Grasich wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well, the problem is that once it leaves the dev's hands and they sell it as a product with ****ING DAY ONE DLC it is no longer art and can thus be changed by consumer demand.

That, and we were blatantly lied to, breaking the reader-writer contract.

no one said you must buy it... or did they?

I highlighted the important bit of that for you.

funny one... but there, Bioware never said YOU MUST BUY THE DLC TO PLAY THE GAME