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The Grey Nayr wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Satisfying on an intellectual level, indeed. <_<

Moved to tears, maybe... but not for the right reasons.


You could do the same thing with the final battle with Saren, or the Suicide Mission.

Or arguably any part of any game.

Battle with Saren. You can A) Charm him into offing himself and saving you an extra fight, B) Talk normally and batlte him before Sovereign turns him into his own personal avatar.

Suicide Mission, you can A) Destroy the base, or B) Recycle it. Other things are mostly the same in the other parts. The whole. who lives and who dies during the mission based on what you did during ME2 is no different than whether or not your fleets, crew, and the Earth itself survive the final mission of ME3 based on what you've done throughout ME1-3 that contributed to War Assets.(Keep in mind, Multiplayer just makes your war assets more effective and gives you a token +10 for pouring time into getting units up to lv 20.)

sjay449 wrote...

hoping on indoc...


Indoctrination theory is crap based on desperate interpretations of game mechanics and dissatisfaction with the ending. They don't like the ending, so they're going to brainwash themselves into thinking there's some ridiclous conspiracy behind it.

The only indoctrination going on is to the desperate players, not to Shepard.


The indoctrination theory in itself though, regardless of its origin or how it came about, is pretty brilliant. If you read it thoroughly (I assume you did), then it's pretty reasonable for it to be a contender for closure content.

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 The dark side is strong with the forum tonight. I can feel your anger....

No, seriously, when I jumped on I had a PM telling me "You're a f***ing idiot" (it wasn't censored) for a joke post I made in good fun ITT. I think everyone on the BSN needs to take a damn step back. This is the worst I have ever seen this place. All this crap is going to get us is a locked down BSN. 

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 24 mars 2012 - 06:39 .


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EDIT: Nevermind

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yanos626 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Satisfying on an intellectual level, indeed. <_<

Moved to tears, maybe... but not for the right reasons.


You could do the same thing with the final battle with Saren, or the Suicide Mission.

Or arguably any part of any game.

Battle with Saren. You can A) Charm him into offing himself and saving you an extra fight, B) Talk normally and batlte him before Sovereign turns him into his own personal avatar.

Suicide Mission, you can A) Destroy the base, or B) Recycle it. Other things are mostly the same in the other parts. The whole. who lives and who dies during the mission based on what you did during ME2 is no different than whether or not your fleets, crew, and the Earth itself survive the final mission of ME3 based on what you've done throughout ME1-3 that contributed to War Assets.(Keep in mind, Multiplayer just makes your war assets more effective and gives you a token +10 for pouring time into getting units up to lv 20.)

sjay449 wrote...

hoping on indoc...


Indoctrination theory is crap based on desperate interpretations of game mechanics and dissatisfaction with the ending. They don't like the ending, so they're going to brainwash themselves into thinking there's some ridiclous conspiracy behind it.

The only indoctrination going on is to the desperate players, not to Shepard.


The indoctrination theory in itself though, regardless of its origin or how it came about, is pretty brilliant. If you read it thoroughly (I assume you did), then it's pretty reasonable for it to be a contender for closure content.


I've read up on it.

But I've also read up on Mass Effect Retribution, as well as watched the indoctrinated people in ME2 and ME3. Like Dr Kenson, the footage of the cerberus science team on the derelict reaper.

Indoctrination only happens from prologued close proximity to a Reaper object. Being hit by a thanix blast isn't enough to get it going. Also the symptoms are very subtle in the early stages. Your every decision and action is tailored to the Reapers presence and you believe it is your own. There's no big dream or hallucination where you choose one way and bam, you're indoctrinated -- and choose another and boom, you resist. Ability to choose is the first thing to go. If you can choose to go against the Reapers, you're not being indoctrinated.

Nightmares about the reapers, hearing voices, and seeing things in your peripheral vision are other symptoms. Followed by a sense of sympathy for the Reapers, and ends with a total loss of higher cognative function.

Plus the fact that Shepard is player controlled makes the commander arguably immune to it. Since the Reapers cant indoctrinate us in real life.

Also the visual effects used in argument, the blood haze right after Shepard wakes up, is the same as when your HP gets low and Shepard was badly hurt in that scene.

The veiny effect when the Illusive Man shows up, is to complement the fact that he was taking over Shepard's motor functions.

Also the background of the breath scene doesn't show the beam. It shows dust settling and a ruined building in the background. While the whole area around the beam was barren.

The fact about the Star Child looking and sounding like the kid is explained in one of the missions on Rannoch. Shepard's mind automatically shapes the Catalyst based on something that's familiar because he cant comprehend it.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 24 mars 2012 - 06:41 .


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The Grey Nayr wrote...

yanos626 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Satisfying on an intellectual level, indeed. <_<

Moved to tears, maybe... but not for the right reasons.


You could do the same thing with the final battle with Saren, or the Suicide Mission.

Or arguably any part of any game.

Battle with Saren. You can A) Charm him into offing himself and saving you an extra fight, B) Talk normally and batlte him before Sovereign turns him into his own personal avatar.

Suicide Mission, you can A) Destroy the base, or B) Recycle it. Other things are mostly the same in the other parts. The whole. who lives and who dies during the mission based on what you did during ME2 is no different than whether or not your fleets, crew, and the Earth itself survive the final mission of ME3 based on what you've done throughout ME1-3 that contributed to War Assets.(Keep in mind, Multiplayer just makes your war assets more effective and gives you a token +10 for pouring time into getting units up to lv 20.)

sjay449 wrote...

hoping on indoc...


Indoctrination theory is crap based on desperate interpretations of game mechanics and dissatisfaction with the ending. They don't like the ending, so they're going to brainwash themselves into thinking there's some ridiclous conspiracy behind it.

The only indoctrination going on is to the desperate players, not to Shepard.


The indoctrination theory in itself though, regardless of its origin or how it came about, is pretty brilliant. If you read it thoroughly (I assume you did), then it's pretty reasonable for it to be a contender for closure content.


I've read up on it.

But I've also read up on Mass Effect Retribution, as well as watched the indoctrinated people in ME2 and ME3. Like Dr Kenson, the footage of the cerberus science team on the derelict reaper.

Indoctrination only happens from prologued close proximity to a Reaper object. Being hit by a thanix blast isn't enough to get it going. Also the symptoms are very subtle in the early stages. Your every decision and action is tailored to the Reapers presence and you believe it is your own. There's no big dream or hallucination where you choose one way and bam, you're indoctrinated -- and choose another and boom, you resist. Ability to choose is the first thing to go. If you can choose to go against the Reapers, you're not being indoctrinated.

Nightmares about the reapers, hearing voices, and seeing things in your peripheral vision are other symptoms. Followed by a sense of sympathy for the Reapers, and ends with a total loss of higher cognative function.

Plus the fact that Shepard is player controlled makes the commander arguably immune to it. Since the Reapers cant indoctrinate us in real life.

Also the visual effects used in argument, the blood haze right after Shepard wakes up, is the same as when your HP gets low and Shepard was badly hurt in that scene.

The veiny effect when the Illusive Man shows up, is to complement the fact that he was taking over Shepard's motor functions.

Also the background of the breath scene doesn't show the beam. It shows dust settling and a ruined building in the background. While the whole area around the beam was barren.

The fact about the Star Child looking and sounding like the kid is explained in one of the missions on Rannoch. Shepard's mind automatically shapes the Catalyst based on something that's familiar because he cant comprehend it.


I'm not saying that I agree with the theory. To be honest, I agree more with something solid as the ending with the reasons you stated. I personally don't like all the "it's all a dream" cliche endings. It's just that the face value ending connotes so much mind****. The indoc theory is an option. it's there. But, with Bioware's fix of making a closure dlc based on the ending we got, it will be hard for them to make the dlc without the help of indoc. Then again, the indoc theory is an option, but an unlikely one.

But hey who knows, they might succeed with this dlc.

Modifié par yanos626, 24 mars 2012 - 07:06 .


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Fine by me, as far as I'm concerned the ending are completely serviceable, no need to scrap and redo them. Just polish up what you have, fix the plot hole, the inconsistencies, the illogical bits and I'm good to go.

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Admoniter wrote...

Fine by me, as far as I'm concerned the ending are completely serviceable, no need to scrap and redo them. Just polish up what you have, fix the plot hole, the inconsistencies, the illogical bits and I'm good to go.


true true

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Lol, the endings are a joke.... Wait, the ending..... Three different colors do not make separate endings.

But keep on thinking they were intellectual or not poorly written. This English major will just keep laughing....

Besides the fact, that tweet has suddenly been deleted. Guess it is not written in stone what they are going to do with the endings yet....

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Dridengx wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Seriously? "fine wine"? Well, at least we can be happy that Bioware is spending cash on DLC that won't sell


because 52k are upset? I bet you a portion if not all of them will buy the DLC not to mention the millions who liked the ending will as well

I guess no happiness for you


It's what happens when people try to pass personal taste and expectations off as universal values

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You people whine too much. No one was calling for a new ending until monday the 19th, everyone just wanted them to fix it, so they planned to do so, but by than everybody had jumped on the "the whole damn ending needs to go" bandwagon so now were back to square one.

The fans started a war, and just moved the goalpost back 50 yards right when bioware got ready to deliver the kick. And if bioware decides to change the endings than fans will just say move the goal further back to something like "unless you use the indoctrination theory than I won't buy anything from you". Because these forums have evolved to the point where we need negativity and a hatred of bioware to sustain ourselves, less we atrophy and die from having our demands answered.

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*reads OP*
*hyperventilates*

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Indoctrination only happens from prologued close proximity to a Reaper object. Being hit by a thanix blast isn't enough to get it going. Also the symptoms are very subtle in the early stages. Your every decision and action is tailored to the Reapers presence and you believe it is your own. There's no big dream or hallucination where you choose one way and bam, you're indoctrinated -- and choose another and boom, you resist. Ability to choose is the first thing to go. If you can choose to go against the Reapers, you're not being indoctrinated.

Nightmares about the reapers, hearing voices, and seeing things in your peripheral vision are other symptoms. Followed by a sense of sympathy for the Reapers, and ends with a total loss of higher cognative function.


Rapid indoctrination is possible according to the codex entry on indoctrination.

-edit- Although it doesn't specify how fast "rapid" is so who knows if it would be possible in the timespan Shepard was unconscious.

Modifié par Mighty_BOB_cnc, 24 mars 2012 - 07:26 .


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xsdob wrote...

You people whine too much. No one was calling for a new ending until monday the 19th, everyone just wanted them to fix it, so they planned to do so, but by than everybody had jumped on the "the whole damn ending needs to go" bandwagon so now were back to square one.

The fans started a war, and just moved the goalpost back 50 yards right when bioware got ready to deliver the kick. And if bioware decides to change the endings than fans will just say move the goal further back to something like "unless you use the indoctrination theory than I won't buy anything from you". Because these forums have evolved to the point where we need negativity and a hatred of bioware to sustain ourselves, less we atrophy and die from having our demands answered.


Way to point out negativity by being negative Image IPB

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Changed? No. Added to/ Yes and quite substantially I suspect.

I_Jedi wrote...

If it's the indoc theory, Bioware is forgiven.


It's at the point now where if the indoctrination interpretation or something similar isn't in the pipeline, I'll be gobsmacked.

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The folk working on Dragon Age 3 must be getting worried about now... most of the buzz surrounding ME3 was created by fans. DA:3 is going to face a lot of really critical examination as it develops, thanks to the ME3 fiasco.

Bioware papering over the cracks, rather than fixing them, risks a very negative impact on DA:3.

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Starspiral wrote...

The folk working on Dragon Age 3 must be getting worried about now... most of the buzz surrounding ME3 was created by fans. DA:3 is going to face a lot of really critical examination as it develops, thanks to the ME3 fiasco.

Bioware papering over the cracks, rather than fixing them, risks a very negative impact on DA:3.


What's next, $60bn a year industry cries about why people don't drive elephants down the road.  wtf.  Really?

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Starspiral wrote...
The folk working on Dragon Age 3 must be getting worried about now... most of the buzz surrounding ME3 was created by fans. DA:3 is going to face a lot of really critical examination as it develops, thanks to the ME3 fiasco.

Bioware papering over the cracks, rather than fixing them, risks a very negative impact on DA:3.

I won't buy DA3 until I know how it ends. Bioware won't burn me twice.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Starspiral wrote...
The folk working on Dragon Age 3 must be getting worried about now... most of the buzz surrounding ME3 was created by fans. DA:3 is going to face a lot of really critical examination as it develops, thanks to the ME3 fiasco.

Bioware papering over the cracks, rather than fixing them, risks a very negative impact on DA:3.

I won't buy DA3 until I know how it ends. Bioware won't burn me twice.


This is the reason I rent games, or borrow them from friends who have them.

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Starspiral wrote...

The folk working on Dragon Age 3 must be getting worried about now... most of the buzz surrounding ME3 was created by fans. DA:3 is going to face a lot of really critical examination as it develops, thanks to the ME3 fiasco.

Bioware papering over the cracks, rather than fixing them, risks a very negative impact on DA:3.


They have a lot to prove after both ME3 and DA2.

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 How do they expect to sell more DLC for this franchize if the series ends like this? Does anyone have any motivation to replay any of it?


Add more guns..oohh shiny.Won't work for me.I am back playing DAO.

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It's very disappointing but it isn't unexpected. To be honest the current endings could be good if they were explained better, offered more choice ( for replay value and the sake of variables ) and offered more closure. In the grander scheme of things I don't care what happens to Earth, I want to know how my decision at the end affects the ME Universe, the different alien races and the my squadmates. There is also an issue with the Normandy and it's crew that really needs addressing ASAP.

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Dridengx wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Seriously? "fine wine"? Well, at least we can be happy that Bioware is spending cash on DLC that won't sell


because 52k are upset? I bet you a portion if not all of them will buy the DLC not to mention the millions who liked the ending will as well

I guess no happiness for you

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Good one.

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yanos626 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Satisfying on an intellectual level, indeed. <_<

Moved to tears, maybe... but not for the right reasons.


You could do the same thing with the final battle with Saren, or the Suicide Mission.

Or arguably any part of any game.

Battle with Saren. You can A) Charm him into offing himself and saving you an extra fight, B) Talk normally and batlte him before Sovereign turns him into his own personal avatar.

Suicide Mission, you can A) Destroy the base, or B) Recycle it. Other things are mostly the same in the other parts. The whole. who lives and who dies during the mission based on what you did during ME2 is no different than whether or not your fleets, crew, and the Earth itself survive the final mission of ME3 based on what you've done throughout ME1-3 that contributed to War Assets.(Keep in mind, Multiplayer just makes your war assets more effective and gives you a token +10 for pouring time into getting units up to lv 20.)

sjay449 wrote...

hoping on indoc...


Indoctrination theory is crap based on desperate interpretations of game mechanics and dissatisfaction with the ending. They don't like the ending, so they're going to brainwash themselves into thinking there's some ridiclous conspiracy behind it.

The only indoctrination going on is to the desperate players, not to Shepard.


The indoctrination theory in itself though, regardless of its origin or how it came about, is pretty brilliant. If you read it thoroughly (I assume you did), then it's pretty reasonable for it to be a contender for closure content.


No lol

I can imagine any kind of sh*t I want, without picking up a book, nevermind an interactive story.  The fact is I'm too lazy, that's why I pay Bioware money to do it.  And it was complete bullsh*t lol.  Please.

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I'm glad, they're fixing it. It wouldn't really make any sense to re-write them because A) that's how ME didn't end in the first place and how we wanted and B) with enough additional convos or scenes, it's not that bad. Jeeze people, at least it's SOMETHING.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Starspiral wrote...
The folk working on Dragon Age 3 must be getting worried about now... most of the buzz surrounding ME3 was created by fans. DA:3 is going to face a lot of really critical examination as it develops, thanks to the ME3 fiasco.

Bioware papering over the cracks, rather than fixing them, risks a very negative impact on DA:3.

I won't buy DA3 until I know how it ends. Bioware won't burn me twice.

First off: Do you seriously wait to know the ending to the games you are interested in before you you buy them? Whats the point of playing it at all if you already know how everything ends? (I can understand this not being  to worrisome for some games, an example being like if they are exclusive.)

And well considering that Dragon Age was never meant to be a trilogy and the fact that there has been talk already about the plot that it gives clues that DA3 won't be the last Dragon Age game for the story bit anyway. Dragon Age never had a story that focused on a single character through multiple games and from the sound of it DA3 will feature another new protagonist with Hawke making a cameo or two somewhere. (Perhaps a Grey Warden Cameo too perhaps?) Also Dragon Age is one of the few console games to release an expansion pack title in this gen.

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Genshie wrote...

And well considering that Dragon Age was never meant to be a trilogy

Mass Effect was supposed to be one and apparently it doesn't really matter since they didn't know how to end it all along.