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[Michel1986]

Prismvg wrote...

I think a significant part of the players (mainly, indoctrination theory adepts) who a want a different ending don't necessarily want everything axed, just built upon. Seriously built upon. And I'm all for this. Dismissing the idea before it is presented is just childish.

Well this already proofs how money hungry EA is, they planned to release DLC's after the game launched and now they come with a excuse ''we are working on content to explain''. I am not that stupid EA always release DLC for games (look at Battlefield, the sims 2, the sims 3 and so on)

You already payed 50-60 or 70 euro's/dollars for it and yet they ask you to pay for the day one DLC 10 euro's/dollars and future content. This means if they release 5 big dlc's you already pay 50 euro's or dollars extra. So let's  say you have the collectors edition for 70 euro's and pay a extra 50 dollars for additional content well you get it right ? 120 euro's/dollars. You could have bought a new game from that might be better. <_<

You know why they create those DLC's ? blame those console derps (xbox360/ps3). They started to play for every content they released and now pc users have to suffer. Remember +/- 10-15 years ago, we got mappacks and weapon packs for free (Yes for free, they cared about the fanbase back in time). 


I wont buy any game in the future from EA or Bioware. I refuse to pay longer for stuff that has to be in the game

Watch this video how the DLC system will work in the future:

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Modifié par Michel1986, 24 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[Khayness]

Well no surprise there, they've been only listening to things they wanted to hear for a long time now. Many have stated that the whole Godchild concept and what he had to say is completely out of touch with the franchise's themes and makes no sense, if it isn't somekind of IndocTheory it just won't fit at all.

Best of luck explaining. We'll see how that will turn out, but you need a miracle.

[hyperforce99]

Basically my stance on it is this.

I'm will not play any Mass Effect game ever again unless the plot-hole ridden, 5 minute ending that gives no closure at all, that is currently in the game, is changed... not clarified, not justified, but CHANGED!

I'm perfectly happy with the indoctrination theory as a basis for the current ending and I even prefer it over a full ret-con of the current ending sequence.
But if after the ending DLC the game still takes the current ending as a true event and simply tries to explain away the massive plot-holes and inconsistencies, I will officially end my relationship with Mass Effect for good.
No more DLC will be bought by me, no more follow up games. When it comes to Mass Effect I will no longer exist as Biowares customer. And the next time Bioware decides to bring out a game, I will wait for reviews from other players, not media outlets, before I will even think about buying their product.

Why ?

Yes, the gameplay up till the ending was great, so was the story-telling, I spend 40+ hours getting all the side content and playing the multiplayer just so I could get the perfect ending, avoiding the ending to be spoiled. Because I knew that it would be amazing... 
any little bugs, things I found lacking compared to the previous games and annoyances that cropped up were Pushed aside because I knew that the game would reward me with an amazing conclusion to the trilogy. 
I was dead wrong! 

As a loyal customer that bought this games collectors edition for a premium price, based on trust and advertisement by Bioware/EA, I am deeply dissapointed in the conclusion of this product and how in the end, it did not live up to how it was advertised

Simply stating that the current ending is art will not cut it, as this "art" go's completely against the purpose of the core game mechanics (EMS), the ME storyline and everything I as a player fought for and was promised inside and outside of the game.
And I believe that once the rules of a story and its universe are broken to such an extent as the ending of ME3 did, it can not be mended or repaired with explanations. It can not be possible to give believable and satisfying closure.

The only way to fix it is to create a clean slate in some way or form (be it ret-conning the ending or using something like the Indoc. Theory) and to create an ending that truely fits with the spirit of the game & story.
If Bioware can pull that off, then that is true ART.

Unless these issues are fixed to a satisfying level in the announced ending DLC, I will respectuflly thank Bioware and EA for 3 amazing games, but leave with intense dissapointment due to the way it was concluded.

Modifié par hyperforce99, 24 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[Taritu]

Heather Cline wrote...

Dridengx there are a lot of people who aren't native english speakers who don't post due to the fact that they have problems getting their point across. Also it's 60k people not 52k people, get your numbers right. And those are only those being vocal. As for buying the DLC we will have to wait and see and I will be going by gamer reviews this time not by some gamer mag or game site like IGN.

The usual # in PR is that for every person who complains, a 100 people are angry and say nothing.  Now that number was pre-easy internet, but I still bet it's at least 10 and probably more.

So those 60K, at a conservative estimate, represent 600K upset people.  That's no joke.

I've spent a lot of time around PR folks, and I used to make part of my living training them.  If they aren't taking this seriously, and as a threat to the bottom line, they're incompetent.

Now, personally, I've just headcannoned the ending. Really, I'm more offended by all the auto-dialogue which made my Shepard into a character I didn't recognize (and those dreams and so on, blech.)

But, added to the disaster that was DA2, this is a real problem for EA/Bioware.  If they are not recognizing it as such, they have a problem.

The real problem is simple.  EA wants about a 2 year turnaround time to maximize profit., and Bioware games, to be done prooperly, need longer.  

Basically, the business model is this: buy a good brand, and get people to buy games based on the brand.  The games don't meet the brand expectation, but there is lag-time, and you can make more money until the brand is destroyed than if you maintained the brand.  In the long run, this costs you money, but companies like EA don't operate for the long run.  In the meantime, Bioware's founders make a mint when they're bought out, so they're ok with it (or maybe they aren't, and were suckers, but people should know now that being bought out means losing real control.)

Steve Jobs had real contempt for people who sold their companies.  "Don't they want to make something great?"

I'm sure the devs do.  But the suits don't, anymore, and they run things.

[Zebron is reaL]

Never before have I been a supporter, but now I find myself throwing all of my hope behind the Indoctrination Theory.

If not, then that's it, I'm done.

[turian councilor Knockout]

okay let's se how can i best explain my feelings here, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you stupid pirates !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jakedee010v2]

Well... That's it. It's over. Mass Effect will be made into a browser game or a crappy MMORPG soon.

[Arch1eviathan]

Come on people. Bioware is trying to appease the fans and make up for what went down at the end.

Also, WTF Liara has human female parts! 0.o

[TheImmortalBeaver]

I actually have to say if this means they are extending and improving the current endings, and not just changing them, I'd actually prefer this. My main issues with the current endings were the ridiculous plotholes, so if that got cleared up and the game had a much longer denouement I'd be happy.

At this point, if they flat-out replaced the endings, it'd make things even worse. They would completely compromise whatever artistic credibility they have left (which, in the eyes of the community certainly isn't much), and players would still have bad tastes in their mouths from the original endings. The current endings happened, so pretending like they never existed would just be silly. Re-working them and adding a SUBSTANTIAL amount of new content to clear up plotholes and re-work the dialogue would make much better endings, while not invalidating the current endings, so people who have already finished the game won't have their playthroughs suddenly become uncanonical and whatnot.

[Documental]

I'd like to some clarification and closure on the ending, if they completely revamp the endings, you're gonna have another set of people then complaining that it's not right because they liked the ending.

And everyone from the Retake movement complaining that it's not what they wanted, I'm sorry but what did you want? I'm not being sarcastic here but it was incredibly confusing sometimes to figure out if you wanted the ending completely gone or just explained more, the banner says for a better ending, that could mean any number of different ways.

[hyperforce99]

Misterpinky0 wrote...

I actually have to say if this means they are extending and improving the current endings, and not just changing them, I'd actually prefer this. My main issues with the current endings were the ridiculous plotholes, so if that got cleared up and the game had a much longer denouement I'd be happy.

At this point, if they flat-out replaced the endings, it'd make things even worse. They would completely compromise whatever artistic credibility they have left (which, in the eyes of the community certainly isn't much), and players would still have bad tastes in their mouths from the original endings. The current endings happened, so pretending like they never existed would just be silly. Re-working them and adding a SUBSTANTIAL amount of new content to clear up plotholes and re-work the dialogue would make much better endings, while not invalidating the current endings, so people who have already finished the game won't have their playthroughs suddenly become uncanonical and whatnot.

Its true they are walking a fine line.
Unfortunatly, due to the staring amount of plotholes and inconstencies in the current ending It won't be enough to just add tidbits that explain the current ending.
The utter destruction of galactic civlisation, with the mass relays going up also negates the players main purpose and leaves everyone in the fleet stranded in the local cluster.

The only way the current ending choices and plot-holes make any sense is by making the ending events a dream sequence or some sort of halicunation. This is why the Indoctrination theory is so effective and promoted.
It means they do not have to replace the ending, it would still exist, but with more content that would allow more types of endings that are truely effected by your EMS, and the choices you have made throughout the game.

A Deus Ex Machina that comes from left-field and takes the fate of the universe out of your hands (even though saving the galaxy by your own actions has been the premise of the entire ME saga) is simply inconsistent and not a good ending. Its a widely used cliché oo make a non-sensicle ending work.
Its used to make everything the main character has done up till that point a test from some higher power, at which point the higher power decided how the story should end, not the main character.

Is a dream sequence a cliché as well, yes, but unlike a deus ex machina, its a means to an end, not the actual ending itsself.

"To paraphrase Roger Ebert, if you have to explain the ending, you've already failed in your intent."

Modifié par hyperforce99, 24 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[Legion64]

I wasn't asking for an entire change to the ending. That would just confuse me more. I was hoping for them to expand it and make a DLC that makes it better and makes more sense.

[Oldbones2]

I don't know if this means I want to change the endings. But what would be so wrong with telling the RGC to **** off?

Then you just let the fleets duke it out. Maybe you'll get lucky?

I think all this is moot however.

Bioware doesn't want to listen to their fan base. They DON"T WANT TO HEAR that we can't get behind the current endings. We need REAL choices.

For me, accepting the Reapers dogma, whether it makes sense (right now it doesn't, maybe it will in DLC) or not seems very Anti - Shepard.

If Shepard was going to side with the Reapers for any reason, he would have done so in ME 1

[cuzsal]

evil-pineapples wrote...

 http://imgur.com/eMYVd

Goodbye, BioWare.

[string3r]

Bioware actually think this ending is..."good"?

I don't get it.

[evil-pineapples]

All I can say is this. I will continue to watch the situation. Because I'm a die-hard ME fan, I will probably buy ending DLC - after I've extensively researched it and decided whether or not it's worth my money. And that's it. BioWare is dead to me. I have no reason to buy any future games they make.

To BioWare: We want a true alternate ending, not a clarified version of the current ending. No amount of additional content will make the current ending make sense. It is illogical and inconsistent with Shepard's character.

I don't see how it would be impossible to make a toggleable alternate ending. That way BioWare can keep their canon ending, which will continue to be an option for all players, while the fans can have their non-canon alternate ending. This benefits everyone. Everybody gets what they want.

I don't like Indoc theory because, at the end of the day, it's just another attempt to polish a turd. BioWare needs to give us a completely different ending scenario, re-worked from the ground up. Alter dialogue from earlier in the game if they have to. (The Reaper on Rannoch in particular.) I will settle for nothing less that what was promised to us.

If BioWare never intended to give us the kind of malleable ending we were anticipating, they shouldn't have promised it in the first place, and they REALLY shouldn't have kept promising it up until a few days before the game's release. That is false advertising.

[SwitchN7]

@ cuzsal: It takes a strong character to get pissed at something and give it the finger.But it is doable with the right amount of resolve.People quit heroine
The ending is coming don't worry,maybe in May? And all this hype is such a waste of our small time on this Earth.Just whip out your wallets and prepare your cash to pay for the real ending(s) after their Shepard(i say your/their because i have no reason to touch the franchise ever again with those endings,sorry)wakes up and gets his/hers wind back.Something like this does not happen.Something like this is thought upon,staged,processed and acted upon.Hype doesn't hurt it either quite the opposite one would say.So just hang tight and wait for it.Until then grab a beer etc and blabla life can be good;)

Modifié par SwitchN7, 24 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Ridan82]

The indoc theory is just a cheap way out of this that makes just about as much sense as the ending we already got. So full of plotholes its damn near silly. Honeslty only way to save it is likely to start from london al over again and just make it work this time round.

If this statement is right its most likely bb bio it was a good fun run.

Modifié par Ridan82, 24 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[evil-pineapples]

Ridan82 wrote...

The indoc theory is just a cheap way out of this that makes just about as much sense as the ending we already got. So full of plotholes its damn near silly. Honeslty only way to save it is likely to start from london al over again and just make it work this time round.

Couldn't agree more.

Indoc theory is frankly kind of sad to read. It's the work of someone who's upset with the endings and desperate to have them make sense. I totally sympathize with that, but nothing's going to polish a turd. The endings do not jive with lore. They don't jive with Sovereign. They don't jive with Shepard as a character, no matter if you played Paragon or Renegade, which is impressive.

They should just go with Karpyshyn's original dark energy ending and choice.

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 24 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[Docmeff22]

HAHAHA.....this is so obviously stupid. Who thinks this is a good idea.

Bioware will join Netflix in the "impossibly bad business decisions that tanked their company" club for 2011/2012.

No DLC for me, thanks.

[Pkxm]

have you even watched the videos and read the google doc on indoctrination theory? it does make sense..

you shouldnt even have to do that. many of us who have played through all 3 games and paid attention to them got the feeling that last bit was either a dream/hallucination/indoctrination

Modifié par Jsxdf, 24 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[Epsilon330]

Is this the same Twitter feed that extensively denied the possibility of an update at all?
I'd take it with a grain of salt for now. We can only judge something that exists.

[Ross42899]

I can live with the starchild and just the three decisions at the end. But there really needs to be:

1) more dialogue/options & clarification during the dialogue with starchild

2) at least the possibilty that Mass Relays stay intact in one ending (mabye based on your EMS)

3) some of the cut content near the end restored and re-added to the game (extended Shepard/Anderson dialogue on Citadel, cut Joker dialogue, etc.)

4) an explaining epilogue cutscene, explaining what will happen to your team & LI & the galaxy

5) The scene with crashlanding Normandy  & your squad suddenly onboard, must either be explained (according to some rumors it was to be explained in some of the cut content (see point "3") or it must be removed completely

Well, I can live with Shepard sacrificing him/herself, if they show that my sacrifce made sense. If I can see the consequences of my sacrifce at the end. Not just the colored beams and a crashlanding Normandy.