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[evil-pineapples]

Jsxdf wrote...

have you even watched the videos and read the google doc on indoctrination theory? it does make sense..

you shouldnt even have to do that. many of us who have played through all 3 games and paid attention to them got the feeling that last bit was either a dream/hallucination/indoctrination

The biggest problem with Indoc theory is that it offers no closure whatsoever. It only sort of makes sense (and yes, I have seen multiple videos explaining the theory) and it answers nothing. If it is true, it only exists to provide another stupid "twist" ending like the Star Child does.

[Th33x1l3]

Mutineer81 wrote...

And people thought the ending to The Sopranos sucked! Ha! They ain't got nuttin' on BioWare!

To true mate

[evil-pineapples]

Th33x1l3 wrote...

Mutineer81 wrote...

And people thought the ending to The Sopranos sucked! Ha! They ain't got nuttin' on BioWare!

To true mate

The Sopranos offered closure. The very last scene of the show sucked, sure, but everything before that closed up most of the loose ends quite elegantly.

It's not even in the same ballpark as ME3's ending.

[Petrikles]

Let´s hope they can do a shadowbroker on the endings...

[Ghost Warrior]

This sounds good. They don't change it,they just elaborate on it.I like it.

[FosterBr717]

I'm gald BioWare stuck to there guns and "held the line."

[Blooddsshott]

God Damn people, cant you just be thankful they're even doing anything to make the ending better? realistically they dont have to do a damn thing to their ending if they didnt want to, i think you should all be atleast a little greatful that they're atleast doing something instead of whining because they wont completely re shape their ending into the way you want it. Also, whos to say they wont explain the unanswered plotholes when they add the "closure" ?

[RayVelocity]

Everyone has taken the lesson. If the ending DLC cannot provide a satisfing storyline, than few will spend money on that. Watch it!

[shepskisaac]

Blooddsshott wrote...

God Damn people, cant you just be thankful they're even doing anything to make the ending better? realistically they dont have to do a damn thing to their ending if they didnt want to, i think you should all be atleast a little greatful that they're atleast doing something instead of whining because they wont completely re shape their ending into the way you want it. Also, whos to say they wont explain the unanswered plotholes when they add the "closure" ?

QFT

[RayVelocity]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

This sounds good. They don't change it,they just elaborate on it.I like it.

I really don't understand why they want to make it so obscure. A classic Hollywood ending shall cheer everyone up, why they have to use that deep and complex philosophy theory?

[evil-pineapples]

IsaacShep wrote...

Blooddsshott wrote...

God Damn people, cant you just be thankful they're even doing anything to make the ending better? realistically they dont have to do a damn thing to their ending if they didnt want to, i think you should all be atleast a little greatful that they're atleast doing something instead of whining because they wont completely re shape their ending into the way you want it. Also, whos to say they wont explain the unanswered plotholes when they add the "closure" ?

QFT

No

They promised us a certain type of ending in interviews as recently as one week before the release of the game. They did not deliver on these promises. That is false advertising.

We only want what we were told we would be paying for in the first place. This is not about entitlement.

EDIT: Fixed typos.

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 24 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Ironhyde01]

Stupid is stupid no matter how much you clarify it.

[Calemyr]

evil-pineapples wrote...

The biggest problem with Indoc theory is that it offers no closure whatsoever. It only sort of makes sense (and yes, I have seen multiple videos explaining the theory) and it answers nothing. If it is true, it only exists to provide another stupid "twist" ending like the Star Child does.

The biggest argument for the ending is that it opens the door for closure. Basically, all this "art" is happening in Shep's head, a complex mind-game by Harbinger to break him and make him into the tool the Reapers need. Once he flips the Reapers off one more time, he wakes up on the battlefield and the fight takes on a new proportion.

How it could go - Suddenly the assets matter again - salarian STG covers a flank during the charge, the krogans intercept a small army of brutes, everyone and everything you banked on comes through (or betrays you) in some way. Real fight begins in earnest, and ends. War over, lots of good people dead - maybe even Shep. The galaxy mournes its losses but have worlds to rebuild. The crew lay any of their casualties to rest, each morning in their own way for the fallen. The krogan help the turians rebuild Palavan, the geth continue to help with Rannoch, and the Rachni use their tireless energy and clever industry to help rebuild them all. The destroyer is now the rebuilder, the conquerer is now the defender, and piece by piece the universe finds a sanity it had thought it had lost forever. And there, where those brave and mighty few stood their ground against the father of all Reapers, is a monument to the fallen. It looks like the the one on the Normandy, but it is so much bigger and bears the names of the men and women who died on these hallowed streets. A child is seen running his fingers along the names. He asks his grandfather if the stories they tell are true. Are there more stories?

The grandfather looks up, a world unlike any seen before, where the galaxy is united and working together, spreads out before the camera. "Oh yes, my boy. Each and every day is another story."

[evil-pineapples]

Please read the dark energy ending.

[Reever]

IsaacShep wrote...

Blooddsshott wrote...

God Damn people, cant you just be thankful they're even doing anything to make the ending better? realistically they dont have to do a damn thing to their ending if they didnt want to, i think you should all be atleast a little greatful that they're atleast doing something instead of whining because they wont completely re shape their ending into the way you want it. Also, whos to say they wont explain the unanswered plotholes when they add the "closure"

QFT

Completely agree, but you have to keep in mind Bioware do want to please their fans... changing the endings completely would really be improbable, but I think everybody wants some more closure (as you said)!
I for one will just wait and see (and personally, I would have liked a happy ending, though I don´t demand it. What I want is a proper, fitting ending for the trilogy, which answers my questions and pretty much lets me back satisfied - the current ending pretty much failed to do so...sadly :/ )

Oh, and what evil-pineapples said needs to be taken in consideration also (I won´t read anything about that ending just yet, maybe we´ll be surprised in one way or another... ).

Modifié par BlueDemonX, 24 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Mixon]

I did watch all BW games since 2007 (thx to ME1).
Every time in every game I felt sutisfy and "end line" with endings. This game is brakes all story-telling rules, it just can't give you a sutisfy and the feeling of "end line", that you can understand thats it's all and you are saying good bye to it... It's just crazy...

p.s. sorry for my English.

[Calemyr]

Oh, I would take the Dark Energy ending any day of the week, but it would require a much larger rewrite. All that human variance and dark energy foreshadowing doesn't exist in this game. It would come off a lot like the star child at this point - out of left field, without ties to any anchors in this game. Sure, if they rewrote a bit of the dialogue, completely scrapped the ending, and built it all up from scratch... yeah, it would work. But they won't. That's way too much time and energy to fix a problem that's already done most of its damage, they'd never get it green lit.

IT is by no means perfect, but it uses existing anchor points in the plot to build a foundation for a better ending, one worthy of this series. Maybe the clumsy little mess I wrote off the top of my head isn't up to the task, but it shows the power what's already there could have if it were built on properly.

[JamesMoriarty123]

The indoc theory is absolutely stupid. The beacon on Thessia would have sensed the indoctrination if it were true. That kills it right there.

[evil-pineapples]

You have a point about the dark energy ending being too left-field at this point due to the way the game was written. I still think it's more logical and satisfying, though.

[Calemyr]

Not true, although this requires From Ashes. Javik says point blank that indoctrination was a major factor in crippling the Protheans. They could detect it when it was active, but they could not detect sleeper agents. Until Shep breaks, it'd be very hard to detect.

And Evil-Pinapple, you're dead right. It was the superior ending, and they scrapped it for this "art". We can't go back, almost certainly, but we can try to salvage the pile of "art" we currently have.

Modifié par Calemyr, 24 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[evil-pineapples]

I'm holding out hope that we can go back.

"We have to go back, Kate!"

[Tonymac]

Regardless, I'm done with them if this is true.

[Calemyr]

Tonymac wrote...

Regardless, I'm done with them if this is true.

There are people who will be done no matter what is true at this point. Keep it, scrap it, extend it, ignore it, this is going to be damaging however they do it, and they don't have Shepard to yell us into negotiations. 

The thing is, the longer they refuse to tell us anything, the longer they keep trolling their own fan-base with loudly-silent teasers ("oh, I wish I could tell you...") and verbose pseudo-apologies that put the blame on the audience for just not "getting it" and elegantly worded non-promises, the worse this reaction is going to get. 

Modifié par Calemyr, 24 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[Hathur]

Tonymac wrote...

Regardless, I'm done with them if this is true.

So hundreds of hours of enjoyment you experienced throughout all 3 games is suddenly invalidated completely because you disliked the last 30-60 mintues of the game and will cement your decision never to try their games again?

Seems... well.. excessive.

You still received countless hours of enjoyment from everything leading up to that last 1% or less of the game / story.... there's more sensible things to base your future product purchases on... such as draconian DRM issues on the PC version, etc.... but calling it quits because you didnt like the end of the game?

Well, ok.. you're completely entitled to of course... just seems excessive is all...

Just remember... they didn't magically shove an eraser in your brain and remove all those hours of fun you had prior to it, you know?... those feelings of enjoyment are still there and haven't been invalidated... you're just choosing to ignore them because you're upset it didn't end the way you hoped it would.

If I may grant a real world example... as a teen and into my early 20s I loved skiing and snowboarding... I spent countless hours doing it and had imeasureable fun with it... until I had a skiing disaster that shoved a sapling throuigh my thigh... took me a year before I was walking properly again... and I've never been skiing since... far too afraid to try it again.

That horrible ending to my skiing life did not invalidate and erase the times before it... I still can look back and say "wow ... that was fun being able to ski... great times" .... despite the fact my last memory of sking involved inconceivable amouints of physical pain and months of emtional pain.

Sigh.