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[kbct]

Oldbones2 wrote...

In a perfect world there would be no Reaper God Child that comes in a fills the story with ridiculous plot holes five friggin minutes before the end of the game.

You don't want an eleventh hour character with three colors to upset the entire story? Weird.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Hathur wrote...
So hundreds of hours of enjoyment you experienced throughout all 3 games is suddenly invalidated completely because you disliked the last 30-60 mintues of the game and will cement your decision never to try their games again?
Seems... well.. excessive.
You still received countless hours of enjoyment from everything leading up to that last 1% or less of the game / story.... there's more sensible things to base your future product purchases on... such as draconian DRM issues on the PC version, etc.... but calling it quits because you didnt like the end of the game?
Well, ok.. you're completely entitled to of course... just seems excessive is all...
Just remember... they didn't magically shove an eraser in your brain and remove all those hours of fun you had prior to it, you know?... those feelings of enjoyment are still there and haven't been invalidated... you're just choosing to ignore them because you're upset it didn't end the way you hoped it would.
If I may grant a real world example... as a teen and into my early 20s I loved skiing and snowboarding... I spent countless hours doing it and had imeasureable fun with it... until I had a skiing disaster that shoved a sapling throuigh my thigh... took me a year before I was walking properly again... and I've never been skiing since... far too afraid to try it again.
That horrible ending to my skiing life did not invalidate and erase the times before it... I still can look back and say "wow ... that was fun being able to ski... great times" .... despite the fact my last memory of sking involved inconceivable amouints of physical pain and months of emtional pain.
Sigh. 

So, if your wife cheats on you once, you won't broke and your years with her will still be sweet memories for you?
If that's so, it's good for you, but people litteraly died because of that, even if she cheated just once in years, it just broke the whole thing.

[OhoniX]

They can easily salvage the ending just by explaining a few minor details, like WHY the three options presented were the only ones possible (even if you might not have LIKED any of them very much), and HOW everyone got on the ship, and all that. The flaws in the ending weren't in the things that happened, it was in the things that happened that the players weren't SHOWN clearly enough.

[Elhanan]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

So, if your wife cheats on you once, you won't broke and your years with her will still be sweet memories for you?
If that's so, it's good for you, but people litteraly died because of that, even if she cheated just once in years, it just broke the whole thing.

I feel rather bad for anyone that equates a cheating spouse with an unpleasant experince in a game; tis sad..

[EagleScoutDJB]

I used to have so much faith in Bioware. They are one of only a few companies that I would buy their games without having to know much about the game first, and a few nights ago they manged to destroy that faith in less then 10mins. Between the stuff Bioware has been saying and the indoctrination theory I was starting to feel like maybe I judged them to harshly, but if this is true I don't think I was harsh enough. I've been using the quality of their older games as a reason why there has to be something more coming, how can you write stories as incredible as they have and then end a game like this? Was it just wishful thinking or will the people that a week ago I would have said are the best writers in the industry find a way to pull Bioware's ass out of the fire?

[kbct]

Elhanan wrote...

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

So, if your wife cheats on you once, you won't broke and your years with her will still be sweet memories for you?
If that's so, it's good for you, but people litteraly died because of that, even if she cheated just once in years, it just broke the whole thing.

I feel rather bad for anyone that equates a cheating spouse with an unpleasant experince in a game; tis sad..

Did you ever finish ME3?

So many analogies out there. Dozens. Pick one. I like the one where you go out with someone for five years and discover you got an STD. Fantastic journey...

[Necromonger Lordmarshal]

You know what will suck about all this. They will lose their fanbase because of how ridamndiculous the ending to the trilogy was, thus the movie or its founders will probably withdraw or put the project on hold.

If Bioware attempts to explain the gaping plothole that was the ending then I am done. EA is my number one enemy when it comes to games. They ruined NFS years ago for me, now they ruined ME for me. I blame EA and Bioware. EA because they were involved with trying to milk the customers and Bioware for following in their footsteps with half-assing the ending and justifying "From Ashes" DLC. They probably got their heads so far up their own arses with their previous success that they perhaps said "The game is really good at this point, why break our heads on making a meaningful ending? Lets just wrap up and reap in the rewards now." with EA behind them sitting on their golden thrones saying "Good child." patting them on the head.

[Iakus]

kbct wrote...

Did you ever finish ME3?

So many analogies out there. Dozens. Pick one. I like the one where you go out with someone for five years and discover you got an STD. Fantastic journey...

My own analogy is the old riddle:

What's worse than biting into an apple and finding a worm?
Biting into an apple and finding half a worm.

ME3's ending was like finding half a worm.

[kamikazekeeg]

I'm fine with them clarifying the ending. I didn't hate the ending as much as some. The ending still isn't great, but it would be abit nice to have some proper closure to the series and to remove the plotholes. I know people were expecting a whole new ending and if the indoctrination theory wasn't ever true, do you honestly expect them to suddenly change all plans they obviously had in mind for the series, just to fix the ending? It would be better for the fans that want it, but that's a massive undertaking to expect them to just do out of pocket to make people happy :\\

[Iakus]

kamikazekeeg wrote...

I'm fine with them clarifying the ending. I didn't hate the ending as much as some. The ending still isn't great, but it would be abit nice to have some proper closure to the series and to remove the plotholes. I know people were expecting a whole new ending and if the indoctrination theory wasn't ever true, do you honestly expect them to suddenly change all plans they obviously had in mind for the series, just to fix the ending? It would be better for the fans that want it, but that's a massive undertaking to expect them to just do out of pocket to make people happy :

Depends on how much DLC they want to sell and how many copies of ME4 they want preordered....

[Gigamantis]

Leaving parts of the story unresolved obviously created room for DLC. Probably will be more than one package over time. 

I'm glad you all won't be getting your happy ending, though. I know you're all young but it's never too early to learn that life isn't like your carebear movies. Sometimes sad things happen.

Modifié par Gigamantis, 25 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[Captain Arty]

I finished a second playthrough last night. The problems with the ending really start much sooner than the last 10 minutes, and as such would be practically impossible to fix or change.

But on the second go, I found myself content with the story...right up until the platform rises. The entire final scene was just silly. It's a classic case of overreaching in sci-fi. The star-child was just dumb. That the paragon choice and synthesis completely violate the key themes of galactic alliance and diversity was even worse.

[ReshyShira]

I'm sorry to announce to bioware, but I'm not buying your products anymore.

Gigamantis wrote...

I'm
glad you all won't be getting your happy ending, though. I know you're
all young but it's never too early to learn that life isn't like your
carebear movies. Sometimes sad things happen.

We want an ending with closure, we don't need a happy ending.

Modifié par James_Raynor, 25 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[Romantiq]

I want different endings period. Not some idiotic color changes. I also don't want Joker to bang my "Love interest" because she apparently teleported back to the ship. What sort of content dlc could possible explain that mess? 


 Fine wine...lmao 
I treat ME3 like a cheap root beer with a belching barf at the end.

Modifié par Romantiq, 25 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[kamikazekeeg]

Captain Arty wrote...

I finished a second playthrough last night. The problems with the ending really start much sooner than the last 10 minutes, and as such would be practically impossible to fix or change.

But on the second go, I found myself content with the story...right up until the platform rises. The entire final scene was just silly. It's a classic case of overreaching in sci-fi. The star-child was just dumb. That the paragon choice and synthesis completely violate the key themes of galactic alliance and diversity was even worse.

Yeah I'm fine with the ending up to that point to.  I don't particularly hate the choices, but alot of it just didn't really make sense, especially for Shepards character and really, even having the choices at all is a plot hole.  If the Reapers are trying to do what they think is best for the galaxy, why not make the final choices for themselves if they are in the end the best choices to have? If synthesis is the supposed best way to fix it, why not do that in the first place?

[EagleScoutDJB]

Gigamantis wrote...

Leaving parts of the story unresolved obviously created room for DLC. Probably will be more than one package over time. 

I'm glad you all won't be getting your happy ending, though. I know you're all young but it's never too early to learn that life isn't like your carebear movies. Sometimes sad things happen.

I'm not looking for all the endings to be happy, but like angryjoe said what the f is wrong with a happy ending, but I do want something that looks like they at least tried to deliver on their promises of how this game was going to end. If you compare what we got to what they claimed they were doing it looks like they simply didn't care enough to even try. Forget for a minute weather you liked or hated the ending, search google for some of the things they claimed were going to happen at the end and tell me if they delivered on half of the things they said. I'll be honest, I expect a lot out of a Bioware game but only because I've been playing their games for years and I know what they are capable of.

Modifié par dbollendorf, 25 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[Collaborated]

I honestly think that "closure" and "clarification" would hopefully come in the form of
explaining some plot holes
and what happens to Shepard (assuming he/she lives ending) and his squadmates and li

[FlyingWalrus]

I told you all days ago.

Bioware is not going to change the ending. EVER.

Expanding on it? Sure, maybe. Looks like they will be. Hoho, oh well.

[IST]

evil-pineapples wrote...

 http://imgur.com/eMYVd

Goodbye, BioWare.

This is good - I prefer them not to retcon the whole end, I would loose all respect for them if they did that.. 

Indoct theory my money is on.. and to that I say:

TAKE MY MONEY.

[TheNevincer]

Bioware are really shooting themselves in the foot with this one.

[Gigamantis]

dbollendorf wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Leaving parts of the story unresolved obviously created room for DLC. Probably will be more than one package over time. 

I'm glad you all won't be getting your happy ending, though. I know you're all young but it's never too early to learn that life isn't like your carebear movies. Sometimes sad things happen.

I'm not looking for all the endings to be happy, but like angryjoe said what the f is wrong with a happy ending, but I do want something that looks like they at least tried to deliver on their promises of how this game was going to end. If you compare what we got to what they claimed they were doing it looks like they simply didn't care enough to even try. Forget for a minute weather you liked or hated the ending, search google for some of the things they claimed were going to happen at the end and tell me if they delivered on half of the things they said. I'll be honest, I expect a lot out of a Bioware game but only because I've been playing their games for years and I know what they are capable of.

They did deliver on their promises; your actions effect the ending.  You're upset because your actions couldn't force the happy ending you wanted.

Parts of the story were left unsettled and I think it's pretty obvious that was to leave room for DLC.  The game was excellent and the ending was sad and left room for more content.  That's pretty much perfect. 

[meteng]

Gigamantis wrote...

They did deliver on their promises; your actions effect the ending.  You're upset because your actions couldn't force the happy ending you wanted.

Parts of the story were left unsettled and I think it's pretty obvious that was to leave room for DLC.  The game was excellent and the ending was sad and left room for more content.  That's pretty much perfect. 

Here's a tip in case you ever want to sell a product: make sure it is something the customer wants to buy.

Not complicated.

[AlanC9]

Gigamantis wrote...

They did deliver on their promises; your actions effect the ending.  You're upset because your actions couldn't force the happy ending you wanted.

The sophisticated version of the argument is that Shepard's always been able to do the impossible before, so when he suddenly can't bend the universe to his will it's a violation of ME's core vision.

[FlyingWalrus]

I dunno, but according to the icons under your avatar it looks like you wanted -- and bought -- Mass Effect 3.

[meteng]

For sure I bought it. Do you think I'll be buying the DLC? Or the next Mass Effect? Or the next Bioware game? I don't. Not unless they fix it.