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[Kakita Tatsumaru]

AlanC9 wrote...

whiteraider wrote...
I content that the endings are A, A, A with a tiny twist,

Tiny twist? It does involve transforming every single intelligent being in the entire galaxy.
As for the other two being the same, EDI would disagree. As would millions of other individuals.

Only the result of the space magic differs, everything else is the same.

[MrGuse]

JasmoVT wrote...

Why is this a surprise, this is exactly what Ray said in his statement. No where did Bioware imply they were considering making new endings. It was all bad gaming press headline writing and wishful thinking.

I'm late to the game, I know, but I want to congratulate you on being able to read correctly.

[Planeforger]

I'm surprised that so many people are still clinging to the indoctrination thing.

If that theory is true, they've have to design a whole new final sequence, a new way of defeating the Reapers, more gameplay, etc etc. It would definitely fall under the heading of a 'new ending', which is what Bioware have expressly ruled out.

It's been known for a while now that they're -clarifying- the ending; a very specific choice of words showing that they won't change much, but will elaborate on what's there. So the Starchild might have a few more lines justifying the Reapers' existence. We'll see exactly why the Normandy fled the battle. We might even see some clips showing what happens to the races in the aftermath of everything going down.

That's it, guys. It'll make a more satisfactory conclusion, but it won't completely overhaul everything that happened.

[MrGuse]

Planeforger: that's all *I'm* hoping for.

[FinalEffect 2506]

CommanderNuetral wrote...

You know what the first step is when you find yourself trapped in a hole. STOP DIGGING!!!

Bioware needs to add better endings not expand on the crap.

Well that or keep digging to the point where its considered that is so bad its "good."

I am EXTREMELY doubtful that this will be the case...

And as for the point to where it's actually "good"...maybe a couple times to China...and maybe one to the UK for good measure while they're at it.

[ringdrossel]

I already gave back my CE. Let's wait and see. Luckily Witcher 2 is coming to xbox in April. The Money will be better spend there if they decide to go on plus even more bad reputation for spoiling an entire series. Sad thing - from a most respected company to this

[kbct]

ringdrossel wrote...

I already gave back my CE. Let's wait and see. Luckily Witcher 2 is coming to xbox in April. The Money will be better spend there if they decide to go on plus even more bad reputation for spoiling an entire series. Sad thing - from a most respected company to this

I wonder how many people returned their copies of ME3? I haven't returned mine, but the effect is the same. I haven't played it since I finished it.

[Kaloneous]

Gamers are going to look back on this in the near future and say that this was the beginning of the end. I think the fan base will not forget this anytime soon either and future sales will show it. Well, that's my two cents anyways. I'm off to finish some more concept art for an upcoming AAA title. Mass Effect was fun while it lasted (except that last 15 minutes). Later peoples.                                                                                             

Modifié par Kaloneous, 30 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Kaloneous wrote...

Gamers are going to look back on this in the near future and say that this was the beginning of the end.                                                                                    

People said the same when Neverwinter Nights 1 was released.

It's not going to end. This was another great Bioware game, it was well-received, and most fans are looking forward to their next project.

[Kaloneous]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Kaloneous wrote...

Gamers are going to look back on this in the near future and say that this was the beginning of the end.                                                                                    

People said the same when Neverwinter Nights 1 was released.

It's not going to end. This was another great Bioware game, it was well-received, and most fans are looking forward to their next project.

I won't argue with you on this point, simply because I can't. I hope you are right but only time will tell.

[kbct]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Kaloneous wrote...

Gamers are going to look back on this in the near future and say that this was the beginning of the end.                                                                                    

People said the same when Neverwinter Nights 1 was released.

It's not going to end. This was another great Bioware game, it was well-received, and most fans are looking forward to their next project.

It was not well-received based on polls. Here, only 2% out of 70K like the ending as-is:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

It was not well-received based on customer reviews either. Amazon gives it 2 out of 5 stars.

If the co-founder has to release a statment about the sh!tstorm that errupted over the ending, it doesn't point to the game being well-received.

[pikey1969]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Kaloneous wrote...

Gamers are going to look back on this in the near future and say that this was the beginning of the end.                                                                                    

People said the same when Neverwinter Nights 1 was released.

It's not going to end. This was another great Bioware game, it was well-received, and most fans are looking forward to their next project.

People also said the same when companies like Bullfrog or Maxis were at their heights, as well as a little past that point.

TOR was a 'colossal' 'mixed bag'. And the polarity that divides the opinions on ME3 is unprecedented, not just for Bioware but for the past decade. There have been outrages over inclusion/exclusion of features or business decisions, but NOT for the actual QUALITY of a game like this (last 1 percent or not, the ending would fall under the 'quality' category).

You can see EA really putting the pressure on Bioware, and it's sad seeing this happen to one of my favorite developers.

Modifié par pikey1969, 31 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[pikey1969]

kbct wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Kaloneous wrote...

Gamers are going to look back on this in the near future and say that this was the beginning of the end.                                                                                    

People said the same when Neverwinter Nights 1 was released.

It's not going to end. This was another great Bioware game, it was well-received, and most fans are looking forward to their next project.

It was not well-received based on polls. Here, only 2% out of 70K like the ending as-is:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

It was not well-received based on customer reviews either. Amazon gives it 2 out of 5 stars.

If the co-founder has to release a statment about the sh!tstorm that errupted over the ending, it doesn't point to the game being well-received.

To people that never bothered to STUDY even the basics of statistics, both sides' arguements for stats are irrelevant.

It's irrelevant how few people actually came up and voted against the endings compared to TOTAL sales.

Likewise, it's irrelevant how many people voted in favor of new endings. There are TOO many variables that skew this. That said, it does show to AN EXTENT you're certainly not the minority.

[kbct]

pikey1969 wrote...
That said, it does show to AN EXTENT you're certainly not the minority.

Agreed. The poll is a biased, self-selecting sample. However, when there are 70K votes and it is completely lopsided where only 2% liked the ending as-is, you can't just dismiss the poll entirely - especially when there is confirming evidence elsewhere - such as thousands of negative user reviews.

The percentage that liked the ending as-is is definitely higher than 2%. The question is how much higher. 20%? 40%?

[LoganKey]

Planeforger wrote...

I'm surprised that so many people are still clinging to the indoctrination thing.

If that theory is true, they've have to design a whole new final sequence, a new way of defeating the Reapers, more gameplay, etc etc. It would definitely fall under the heading of a 'new ending', which is what Bioware have expressly ruled out.

It's been known for a while now that they're -clarifying- the ending; a very specific choice of words showing that they won't change much, but will elaborate on what's there. So the Starchild might have a few more lines justifying the Reapers' existence. We'll see exactly why the Normandy fled the battle. We might even see some clips showing what happens to the races in the aftermath of everything going down.

That's it, guys. It'll make a more satisfactory conclusion, but it won't completely overhaul everything that happened.

.. and if that's the case, then Bioware just alienated a lot of its core fan base.

[LoganKey]

LoganKey wrote...

Planeforger wrote...

I'm surprised that so many people are still clinging to the indoctrination thing.

If that theory is true, they've have to design a whole new final sequence, a new way of defeating the Reapers, more gameplay, etc etc. It would definitely fall under the heading of a 'new ending', which is what Bioware have expressly ruled out.

It's been known for a while now that they're -clarifying- the ending; a very specific choice of words showing that they won't change much, but will elaborate on what's there. So the Starchild might have a few more lines justifying the Reapers' existence. We'll see exactly why the Normandy fled the battle. We might even see some clips showing what happens to the races in the aftermath of everything going down.

That's it, guys. It'll make a more satisfactory conclusion, but it won't completely overhaul everything that happened.

.. and if that's the case, then Bioware just alienated a lot of its core fan base.

It's been a while since I took my stat class, but I think we can infer a few things.

1. The only thing we can be certain of with this poll, is that it shows that those players who chose to take the poll, almost overwhelmingly hate the endings.

2. We know that of all the players who purchased the game, most are not vocal on the internet, or take active part in the discussions on the BSN.

3. Those who DO take an active part on the BSN, tend to be the more committed and hardcore fans... if for no other reason then the fact that they take their personal time to come here and voice their oppinions.

4. The most vocal and committed fans, are the same fans that sing Bioware's praises when the company does something right. They are also the people who cosplay, buy extra merchandise, and will buy games from the company based on brand recognition alone.

5. THEREFORE: We can infer that a majority of Bioware's most vocal/core fan base hates these endings.

CONSEQUENCE: Bioware stands to alienate this particular group if these endings are not altered to their satisfaction. The ramifications of this, is that most likely, Bioware will lose its most potent form of advertising... word of mouth.

Despite all the mass media blitz, and EA powered ad campaigns, word of mouth advertising is still worth its weight in gold. People are naturally skeptical of ads sponsored by the company, or professional critic reviews of the game. People are more likely to buy products if theya re reccommended to them by a friend.

As far as I can see then, if Bioware doesn't do something about the endings (more than just 'clarify'), then this will come back to bite them in future game releases.

That's my two cents.

Modifié par LoganKey, 31 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[jojon2se]

Planeforger wrote...

I'm surprised that so many people are still clinging to the indoctrination thing.

If that theory is true, they've have to design a whole new final sequence, a new way of defeating the Reapers, more gameplay, etc etc. It would definitely fall under the heading of a 'new ending', which is what Bioware have expressly ruled out.

It's been known for a while now that they're -clarifying- the ending; a very specific choice of words showing that they won't change much, but will elaborate on what's there. So the Starchild might have a few more lines justifying the Reapers' existence. We'll see exactly why the Normandy fled the battle. We might even see some clips showing what happens to the races in the aftermath of everything going down.

That's it, guys. It'll make a more satisfactory conclusion, but it won't completely overhaul everything that happened.

On the contrary; It is all very semantically ambiguous and it is worrying to see so much of that in every statement that comes out of Bioware.

I could equally well say that any consequences of the indoctrination theory does not fall under "new ending", in that it does not in any way replace or overhaul the present one - it makes continuation possible and explains what happened, whereas your own suggestion of added lines for the starchild does constitute a content overhaul, if not a base story one.

Keep in mind the infatuation that all the big publishers have for the safe investments, i.e: a never-ending stream of sequels.

[Elhanan]

Biased polls with subjective language, etc, etc, etc...

Hope that Bioware continues to prosper in this next year even if it is without some of these lovely vocal posters.

[DigitalAvatar]

I have been a fan of BioWare for 15 years. I purchased every RPG they ever made (except for Dragon Age II), most of
them pre-ordered because I knew that they would be awesome. I had the greatest faith in them. And the ending of Mass Effect 3 brought all of that crashing down.
The ending truly is THAT godawfully bad, for reasons that have been restated so many times there's no need to repeat them. BioWare's refusal to admit that the endings were flawed, and lack of any apologies for the fact that they lied to the community in their in pre-release statements has shattered the trust I once had in them.
If BioWare don't fix the ending to Mass Effect 3 - and I mean retcon it out of existence - I am done.
15 years. Please don't let it end like this, BioWare.

[PiEman]

Elhanan wrote...

Biased polls with subjective language, etc, etc, etc...

Hope that Bioware continues to prosper in this next year even if it is without some of these lovely vocal posters.

This is why we can't have nice things...

EA loves people like you.

[Elhanan]

PiEman wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Biased polls with subjective language, etc, etc, etc...

Hope that Bioware continues to prosper in this next year even if it is without some of these lovely vocal posters.

This is why we can't have nice things...

EA loves people like you.

You say this as if this is a bad thing.....

Thus far, EA (which includes Bioware) has provided me with far more entertainment value than this melodic gaggle of geese.

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

Bioware/EA no longer deserves my respect, trust, or money.
I was such a huge fan Bioware. I loved you as much as I still love Bungie. But... ME3's ending and your handling of it... it's... hurtful.
Goodbye Bioware. You lost me.

[Dridengx]

hmm you know.. the beautiful thing about life and business is there is always someone else who replaces you. Mass Effect is growing as a franchise, Bioware is growing as a studio. Some fans can't handle growth. You see this type of stuff in music all the time as a band gets bigger.

Modifié par Dridengx, 14 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[Repearized Miranda]

deaditegonzo102 wrote...

Yeah, the stupidity of the ending is too deep to be fixed with just something tacked on. Some things WOULD HAVE to be retconned. Think about it, the ending is so bad the most popular theory is that THE WHOLE THING WAS A DREAM.

What tv show did they do this with? And I'm sure people were upset then. However, I guess it would fit sense so much emphasis was put on "the child Shepard couldn't save, so s/he will die because of it." Said child didn't stay put when I told him - not to mention - that I coldn't help him, but as the consequence ...

Ill-fated catharsis and how ironic that catharsis is what overshadowed this. The Reapers didn't exist! Angry how the Council dismissed this claim, did Shepard secretly agree with them?

Interesting how all the thoeries that were debunked - most now want.

I really think Indoctrination will be what becomes of this. I bet it's what it would have been if they hadn't played the Catharsis card so hard.