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[jmd4]

Let me make my bias clear immediately: I love dwarves and would love to see more of them in DA, both as playable characters, companions, and love interests (I haven't given up hope on a dwarven LI). DAO and the dwarven origin stories (especially Aeducan, as you might have guessed from my avatar and signature) swept me away in the mystery, power, and tragedy of the dwarves. Unlike dwarves in other franchises in my opinion, such as Warhammer or Dragonlance, the dwarves of DA have depth, dignity, and even beauty. They aren't jokes and are in fact major players in the world in spite of their isolation. I believe dwarves have a huge impact on the world of Thedas, and a big role to play, as well as narrative ideas yet to play out.

Dwarves mine and control the lyrium flow in Thedas, they are arguably the most talented engineers and crafters of all the races, and they also are the most connected to the darkspawn threat. Certainly their production of lyrium is critical--absolutely critical--to the future of mages and templars in DA and thus to the presumed story of DA3.

Beyond that, we have the city of Kal Sharok and all its wonders (and terrors, no doubt) to explore. That could be an entire game in and of itself. And the dwarves patrol and protect the Deep Roads, the most expedient (at least at one time) way to cross from one end of Thedas to the other. Thedas owes the dwarves a great debt, as do the other races (even elves, given that dwarves gave them sanctuary in Cadash Thaig). Even Tevinter owes them a debt for helping to form the Imperium.

I would say that you cannot have a game in Thedas that does not, in some way, take the presence and impact of the dwarves into account. Lest we forget, in some DAO epilogues there was a Circle built in Orzammar! I think this has largely gone forgotten, but this is surely impactful too. The Chantry considers an Exalted March on this Circle, after all! That is pretty important to the Chantry/Circle war.

And personally, I just enjoy the dwarves for themselves, beyond even their narrative importance. When I play a fantasy game I don't want to be a human. I'm a powerless human every day. I would much rather be a strong, decisive dwarven warrior. Or an elf, or qunari, etc. Give me races back, especially dwarves, BioWare!

[TheShadowWolf911]

jmd4 wrote...

Let me make my bias clear immediately: I love dwarves and would love to see more of them in DA, both as playable characters, companions, and love interests (I haven't given up hope on a dwarven LI). DAO and the dwarven origin stories (especially Aeducan, as you might have guessed from my avatar and signature) swept me away in the mystery, power, and tragedy of the dwarves. Unlike dwarves in other franchises in my opinion, such as Warhammer or Dragonlance, the dwarves of DA have depth, dignity, and even beauty. They aren't jokes and are in fact major players in the world in spite of their isolation. I believe dwarves have a huge impact on the world of Thedas, and a big role to play, as well as narrative ideas yet to play out.

Dwarves mine and control the lyrium flow in Thedas, they are arguably the most talented engineers and crafters of all the races, and they also are the most connected to the darkspawn threat. Certainly their production of lyrium is critical--absolutely critical--to the future of mages and templars in DA and thus to the presumed story of DA3.

Beyond that, we have the city of Kal Sharok and all its wonders (and terrors, no doubt) to explore. That could be an entire game in and of itself. And the dwarves patrol and protect the Deep Roads, the most expedient (at least at one time) way to cross from one end of Thedas to the other. Thedas owes the dwarves a great debt, as do the other races (even elves, given that dwarves gave them sanctuary in Cadash Thaig). Even Tevinter owes them a debt for helping to form the Imperium.

I would say that you cannot have a game in Thedas that does not, in some way, take the presence and impact of the dwarves into account. Lest we forget, in some DAO epilogues there was a Circle built in Orzammar! I think this has largely gone forgotten, but this is surely impactful too. The Chantry considers an Exalted March on this Circle, after all! That is pretty important to the Chantry/Circle war.

And personally, I just enjoy the dwarves for themselves, beyond even their narrative importance. When I play a fantasy game I don't want to be a human. I'm a powerless human every day. I would much rather be a strong, decisive dwarven warrior. Or an elf, or qunari, etc. Give me races back, especially dwarves, BioWare!

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and you raise a fair point, Dwarves can't really be forgotton about, they are a little too important, intertwined with all that is going on.

[TheShadowWolf911]

yes it would

[Uthenera]

http://social.biowar...index/8120102/2 here they are saying that Sandal is came from house Aeducan and his mother was an elf or human, is it true or just some kind of insult i don't know, but seems interesting, but is it even possible?

Modifié par Uthenera, 24 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

Uthenera wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/8120102/2 here they are saying that Sandal is came from house Aeducan and his mother was an elf or human, is it true or just some kind of insult i don't know, but seems interesting, but is it even possible?

another person claimed that Flemmeth was his mother.....

[TheShadowWolf911]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

I guess that would be speculation. We only know for sure that Sandal was found in the deep roads by Bodahn and that he was all by himself. Sandal being Sandal wasn't capable to know or tell where he came from I think. But could be wrong there of course.

yes but......


www.youtube.com/watch

why would a scary lady stand next to Sandal's bed?

[ev76]

It would be interesting to find out more of sandals history in DA 3. I want to know more about Sandal, the last two games it seems like Bodhan might not have told us everything about sandal, he is very over protective.

[Uthenera]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

Uthenera wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/8120102/2 here they are saying that Sandal is came from house Aeducan and his mother was an elf or human, is it true or just some kind of insult i don't know, but seems interesting, but is it even possible?

another person claimed that Flemmeth was his mother.....

What we know about Flemeth she can be anything.

Sandal also an intriguing mysterious character, Some says that he is the maker.  Don't know about much him than, that he blow up things and likes salamanders and enchantments. We don't even know his age, how long was he in the Deep Roads etc. The Unnamed Child Paragon also intrigues me, maybe it's too far off to suspect that they are related in someway? 

[TheShadowWolf911]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

I guess that would be speculation. We only know for sure that Sandal was found in the deep roads by Bodahn and that he was all by himself. Sandal being Sandal wasn't capable to know or tell where he came from I think. But could be wrong there of course.

yes but......


www.youtube.com/watch

why would a scary lady stand next to Sandal's bed?

That's one of the things that makes the mystery surrounding Sandal even bigger. I started a poll about him to gather opinions. He's special and intriging and I really hope he gets a bigger role in DA3.

Let's just think about the possibility that he came from Kal Sharok. Then this could mean that the dwarves there developped differently and that they can use magic too.
I would really like to see some magic using dwarves. Could tip the scale in a completely different direction.

i like this thought.

i'd love to see the Chantry's reaction to Dwarf Magi, whom the dwarves probably wouldn't hand over.

[ev76]

Yeah, I keep thinking sandal knows when to turn it on and when to turn off his abilities. I think he only uses them when people need his services or help, not to show off. I like sandal coming fom Kal Sharok. That would certainly add to the lore of Kal Sharok and give it significantly importance.
I still think the lyrium found in DA2 will also play a significant role or expanded on.

[ev76]

And to what TheShadowWolf911 said about the chantry finding out about dwarves using magic. I can see an exalted march heading into the thaigs. Especially if the dwarfs control all if not most of the lyrium trade.

[ev76]

Oh yeah, my mistake. Keep forgetting it was an idol.

[jmd4]

Regarding Sandal, if his mother was an elf or a human, as DA2 seems to suggest, that would be huge! We have not yet seen/heard anything about half-dwarves and it would, I would think, drive the dwarves up the wall, the notion of mixing their pure blood with "cloudheads." I think there is a Dace noblewoman who runs off with an elf mentioned in the game, but that is the only instance of this I can think of. Also, if Sandal's father was an Aeducan and Bhelen sat the throne and knew of his existence, think what would happen! Bhelen would stop at nothing to find Sandal, I think, as another dangerous heir to the throne. That would be some grist for the story mill.

I would like to think Sandal has a connection to Kal Sharok too, though. The more connections to the thaig the better, in hopes of bringing it into a future storyline.

[TheShadowWolf911]

ev76 wrote...

And to what TheShadowWolf911 said about the chantry finding out about dwarves using magic. I can see an exalted march heading into the thaigs. Especially if the dwarfs control all if not most of the lyrium trade.

and thus we have a conflict that could take up a 'act' or 'chapter' in the next game.

[Zanallen]

Obviously the dwarves are all going to be devoured by blighted gorillas. The gorillas will then go on to sacrifice themselves to a brood mother.

[ev76]

Interesting indeed, if the March went to Kal Sharok, how do you think Orzommar will react? Will the mages step in? Definitely deserving a whole act to deal with that. As for jmd4 if sandal was part of the Aeducan family and Behlen went after him using the carta what reaction do you think the Orlesians will have?

[Uthenera]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

[Could you tell me about the Unnamed Child Paragon? Hear this for the first time. Makes me curious.

The Unnamed Child Paragon has a memorial at Caridin's Cross, but it's badly damaged by darkspawns, so the name, the gender, of the child, or the deeds, for which s/he became a paragon is illegible.

Maybe because there's not much knowledge about the Child, became a good source of speculation to me,
Why would they name a child a paragon? 
A small amount of lyrium in his blood made that mechant in Orzammar act strangely, he said something about working the lyrium in himself. So what if an accident with a bigger dose of lyrium made it possible for the Child, to perform miraculous deeds. and what if it has some effect on the kid's ageing or metabolism, so this Paragon could even be Sandal. On the other hand why would If Sandal is the Unnamed Child Paragon why would he suddenly started to grow up normally, when he became into the care of Bodhan, so this connection, thought up by me seems to be more than far fetched. It's probably a clever trick by the writers to make my thoughts head for this way. Even so i still see some potential in the untold story of the Unnamed Child Paragon for the future, 

Modifié par Uthenera, 25 mars 2012 - 06:32 .