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[jaysabz]

Listen, I haven't even finished the game yet, been travelling, but please read on.

I do check IGN's mobile site from my phone here and there and have learned about this "uprising" to change the ME3 ending.

PLEASE, PLEASE, Please do not change the game's ending (sight unseen for me) just because of these protests! 

If you do, where do we go from there??

We live in such a self-entitled "please me" society these days.  BIOWARE, you made these games.  I understand the need to please your customers - I myself am in the service industry.  But PLEASE do not fold to the demands of the loud social networking / internet crowd.  It will set a dangerous precedent.

Even within the realm of video games... NOOO... we want character "X" (FFVII) to live...

...NOOO... we want character "X" to survive in Halo Reach....

Where will it stop? 

DO NOT alter your art.  Look at the state of the Star Wars series with all the crappy revisions over the years.

Tell your player base to "DEAL WITH IT" ... 

I've read TONS of books that I hoped ended differently.  I never wrote to the author of a book and demanded he or she rewrite the ending to meet my demands.

On that topic, one very good author wrote a book about that situation.  It was Stephen King, and the book was "Misery".  The woman found her favorite author crippled and kept the author all locked up and in his bed and would re-break his legs b/c she was never happy with what he was doing with her favorite character.

Dont' fall down this wormhole, BIoWare.   Please don't.  You made the art which is Mass Effect 3.  Don't alter it due to some loudmouth advocates.  Not all video games are "art", but the Mass Effect series certainly is.  To quote a line from my favorite movie, Rushmore... "nihilne sanc­tum est"...  "Is nothing sacred?"

Do the right thing, BioWare.

A big fan of yours for years....

Jason

[LegendaryBlade]

Hey. Sir Author Conan Doyle wants to speak with you about when he retcon'd Sherlock Holmes death for his fans.

He's upset that you think he ruined art. Why would you say that?

[thunderhawk862002]

Or you know, fix the game so it matches the developer's statements when the game went gold. If it was in their artistic vision then then it should have been in the finalized product. If they keep it the way it is, they'll have their artistic integrity intact, but they'll have lost all their regular integrity doing it.

[Nomen Mendax]

Who's Art?

[BanksHector]

Before I finished the game, I had a opinion like yours. After I beat the game, I understood where all the other people was coming from. I still enjoy playing the game, but I do hope "art" loses and they change/add to the ending to make it better.

[Biosargent]

jaysabz wrote...

Listen, I haven't even finished the game yet, been travelling, but please read on.

I do check IGN's mobile site from my phone here and there and have learned about this "uprising" to change the ME3 ending.

PLEASE, PLEASE, Please do not change the game's ending (sight unseen for me) just because of these protests! 

If you do, where do we go from there??

We live in such a self-entitled "please me" society these days.  BIOWARE, you made these games.  I understand the need to please your customers - I myself am in the service industry.  But PLEASE do not fold to the demands of the loud social networking / internet crowd.  It will set a dangerous precedent.

Even within the realm of video games... NOOO... we want character "X" (FFVII) to live...

...NOOO... we want character "X" to survive in Halo Reach....

Where will it stop? 

DO NOT alter your art.  Look at the state of the Star Wars series with all the crappy revisions over the years.

Tell your player base to "DEAL WITH IT" ... 

I've read TONS of books that I hoped ended differently.  I never wrote to the author of a book and demanded he or she rewrite the ending to meet my demands.

On that topic, one very good author wrote a book about that situation.  It was Stephen King, and the book was "Misery".  The woman found her favorite author crippled and kept the author all locked up and in his bed and would re-break his legs b/c she was never happy with what he was doing with her favorite character.

Dont' fall down this wormhole, BIoWare.   Please don't.  You made the art which is Mass Effect 3.  Don't alter it due to some loudmouth advocates.  Not all video games are "art", but the Mass Effect series certainly is.  To quote a line from my favorite movie, Rushmore... "nihilne sanc­tum est"...  "Is nothing sacred?"

Do the right thing, BioWare.

A big fan of yours for years....

Jason

[Texhnolyze101]

ME and games in general are not art so your OP is pointless.

[Malevolence65]

Are you joking? The endings are objectively bad. Bioware lied about a bunch of stuff regarding the endings. Why shouldn't they change them? Actually, why were they like this in the first place?

[Darth Malice113]

Yeah OP. Bioware can keep its endings. I'll keep my money next time around.

Then we see how much they preach about "artistic integrity.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 24 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[kbct]

Another person who hasn't finished the game. Wait until you get kicked in the balls and thrown off a cliff.

[Ryven]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Yeah OP. Bioware can keep its endings. I'll keep my money next time around.

This

[chris fenton]

Doesn't matter, they're not changing it!
Look at their twitter picture in my signature.
All for naught, apparently.

[j78]

"The teams at Del Rey and BioWare would like to extend our sincerest apologies to the Mass Effect fans for any errors and oversights made in the recent novel Mass Effect: Deception," the apology post on Bioware's forums reads. "We are currently working on a number of changes that will appear in future editions of the novel."

Sorry to break it to you It’s already been done.

[Ethical]

Your argument as to why they should not change it in the name of "art" has so many logical fallacies starting with straw-mans simplifying the argument (a book is not a RPG video game where you make choices), and then moving on to slippery slopes that it will set a precedent for future games.

Please when making a thread based on rhetoric, at least understand rhetoric to begin with.

[TheNevincer]

jaysabz wrote...

Listen, I haven't even finished the game yet, been travelling

You may yet change your mind when you experience the ending.

[Mr.House]

Sir Author Conan Doyle altered his "art" and guess what? People loved it and he became more popular.

[Herr Igor]

I guess there is nothing more to talk about...

http://bit.ly/GXAccQ

Modifié par Herr Igor, 24 mars 2012 - 01:58 .

[deaditegonzo102]

This guy will be on our side when he reaches the ending, so this post is irrelevant.

[jaysabz]

Well I'm obviously outnumbered here. I didn't like the Soprano's ending, let's re-do that. And Lost... I was confused, all the loose ends weren't tied up. Let's re-do that as well.

I didn't know this was an option!!

[BULLETWASTER]

jaysabz wrote...

Well I'm obviously outnumbered here. I didn't like the Soprano's ending, let's re-do that. And Lost... I was confused, all the loose ends weren't tied up. Let's re-do that as well.

I didn't know this was an option!!

If you liked Lost's ending you'll love ME3's ending.

[Surprise Guest]

Firstly you shouldn't be posting with no knowledge on what the endings are. What are you? A Gaming "journalist"?

Secondly please describe the list of rules you'd like to enforce for things to be considered art.

If a writer submits a novel to a publisher and gets told certain areas need to be changed, is the published version not considered art as it might vary from the original "artistic vision"?

This "art" argument needs to end, its just pretentious. Mass Effect is art. The fact that it's art shouldn't mean anything, because art isn't some pedastal for things to be free of criticism and change.

Modifié par Surprise Guest, 24 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[Darth Malice113]

If BW thinks so highly of their artistic vision, why are they so concerned about the bottom line?   

Also, is the whole mandatory Origin client for PC art too? 


  FOR ART!!!!!!!

[SgtHydra]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Leonardo Da Vinci continuously changed and refined the Mona Lisa until his death. The painting, as far as its artist was concerned, is unfinished - but that does not make it any less of a work of art.

[Furtled]

Mr.House wrote...
Sir Author Conan Doyle altered his "art" and guess what? People loved it and he became more popular.

Charles Dickens changed the ending of Great Expectations due to negative feedback, even Shakespeare changed his plays to cater for audience reactions (depending on which historians/scholars you believe) and both are still considered masters of their craft.

Modifié par Furtled, 24 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[Mr.House]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

If BW thinks so highly of their artistic vision, why are they so concerned about the bottom line?   

Also, is the whole mandatory Origin client for PC art too? 


  FOR ART!!!!!!!

The true question is if they are happy with their artistic version, why make dlc for it?