InvincibleHero wrote...
No customer is satiated by having their demand met over the artist needs in creating the work of art to begin with.
InvincibleHero wrote...
It doesn't matter what subjective reasons people dredge up to support their POV. All that matters is the forcing of BW to change their art. They think they had adeqaute endings and obviously they included them to suit their needs. When the artist doesn't want to change then you are making unreasonable demands. Really I think it presumptuous to tell anyone to rewrite any media as if i know how to best utilize their property. Any suggestion I make (and this would apply to everyone) would reflect my wants, needs, and biases to subsume those of the creator.Kaija wrote...
This addresses the art issue very well:
http://www.gamefront...compromise-art/
InvincibleHero wrote...
Metaphorical doesn't equal literal. We have a say before the product is finished (aka put in requests and BW picks and chooses) and not after except for bug remedies and gameplay fixes that are onjective in nature.Kaija wrote...
Because actually you do. Bioware has over and over again offcially stated how they have taken fan response, player feedback, ect. into the creation of the series. In that way, yes, players are part of the creation.
Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 31 mars 2012 - 04:55 .
InvincibleHero wrote...
No customer is satiated by having their demand met over the artist needs in creating the work of art to begin with.
Sir_Cabbage wrote...
Im amazed of two things, firstly that OP is using SO much formatting in his messages that im surprised no one has commented.
Secondly, im wondering why no one has mentioned the fact that they already CHANGED ME3's ending after it was leaked over xbox live. I was going to be something about dark energy with the final choice being to either kill the reapers or sacrifice humanity to save the universe.... Which not only would have allowed for a proper epilogue but wouldnt have basically meant the universe was destroyed.
If this was their original ending I could almost understand the "art" arguement, however where is the art when they were basically forced to scrap their original ending and cobble one together at the last moment? Even the "final hours" thing says that until the last min this ending wasnt decided on.
Modifié par da mighty rEAper, 31 mars 2012 - 06:23 .
da mighty rEAper wrote...
Sir_Cabbage wrote...
Im amazed of two things, firstly that OP is using SO much formatting in his messages that im surprised no one has commented.
Secondly, im wondering why no one has mentioned the fact that they already CHANGED ME3's ending after it was leaked over xbox live. I was going to be something about dark energy with the final choice being to either kill the reapers or sacrifice humanity to save the universe.... Which not only would have allowed for a proper epilogue but wouldnt have basically meant the universe was destroyed.
If this was their original ending I could almost understand the "art" arguement, however where is the art when they were basically forced to scrap their original ending and cobble one together at the last moment? Even the "final hours" thing says that until the last min this ending wasnt decided on.
Exactly ppl who talk about changing art are either stupid or just dont know the fact that it(ending/story) was changed( and changed not simply during development of story, changed in a way that killed other 2 games of trilogy, killed original authors vision! this is crimelike decision) or they are in fact BIOWARE`s or EA`s PR agents. i guess op is just a sheep, no offence
Modifié par ShdwPlayer, 31 mars 2012 - 07:04 .
Dude_in_the_Room wrote...
da mighty rEAper wrote...
Sir_Cabbage wrote...
Im amazed of two things, firstly that OP is using SO much formatting in his messages that im surprised no one has commented.
Secondly, im wondering why no one has mentioned the fact that they already CHANGED ME3's ending after it was leaked over xbox live. I was going to be something about dark energy with the final choice being to either kill the reapers or sacrifice humanity to save the universe.... Which not only would have allowed for a proper epilogue but wouldnt have basically meant the universe was destroyed.
If this was their original ending I could almost understand the "art" arguement, however where is the art when they were basically forced to scrap their original ending and cobble one together at the last moment? Even the "final hours" thing says that until the last min this ending wasnt decided on.
Exactly ppl who talk about changing art are either stupid or just dont know the fact that it(ending/story) was changed( and changed not simply during development of story, changed in a way that killed other 2 games of trilogy, killed original authors vision! this is crimelike decision) or they are in fact BIOWARE`s or EA`s PR agents. i guess op is just a sheep, no offence
Thats the most advantageous thing I've heard in a while. Part of the fun of "art" or a game or a movie or a comic book is the suprise. Bioware didn't ruin the first ending and sacrificed art by rewriting it....whoever leaked it did.
I swear you ppl will twists things around until ANYTHING fits to favor your argument.
Dude_in_the_Room wrote...
Thats the most advantageous thing I've heard in a while. Part of the fun of "art" or a game or a movie or a comic book is the suprise. Bioware didn't ruin the first ending and sacrificed art by rewriting it....whoever leaked it did.
I swear you ppl will twists things around until ANYTHING fits to favor your argument.
da mighty rEAper wrote...
Dude_in_the_Room wrote...
da mighty rEAper wrote...
Sir_Cabbage wrote...
Im amazed of two things, firstly that OP is using SO much formatting in his messages that im surprised no one has commented.
Secondly, im wondering why no one has mentioned the fact that they already CHANGED ME3's ending after it was leaked over xbox live. I was going to be something about dark energy with the final choice being to either kill the reapers or sacrifice humanity to save the universe.... Which not only would have allowed for a proper epilogue but wouldnt have basically meant the universe was destroyed.
If this was their original ending I could almost understand the "art" arguement, however where is the art when they were basically forced to scrap their original ending and cobble one together at the last moment? Even the "final hours" thing says that until the last min this ending wasnt decided on.
Exactly ppl who talk about changing art are either stupid or just dont know the fact that it(ending/story) was changed( and changed not simply during development of story, changed in a way that killed other 2 games of trilogy, killed original authors vision! this is crimelike decision) or they are in fact BIOWARE`s or EA`s PR agents. i guess op is just a sheep, no offence
Thats the most advantageous thing I've heard in a while. Part of the fun of "art" or a game or a movie or a comic book is the suprise. Bioware didn't ruin the first ending and sacrificed art by rewriting it....whoever leaked it did.
I swear you ppl will twists things around until ANYTHING fits to favor your argument.
I didnt say anything about leaked ending, in fact im one of the many ppl who didnt know the ending was leaked until i finished the game, came to forums and desperately tried to find any excuse from bioware for many lackluster parts of the game, ending sequence included, thats where i stumbled upon info about "dark energy" and etc.
This was meant for ppl who use "art" argument in protest to change whatever needs to be changed, not to twist anything.
101ezylonhxeT wrote...
ME and games in general are not art so your OP is pointless.
Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 31 mars 2012 - 08:32 .
Modifié par AlienWolf728, 31 mars 2012 - 08:34 .
Modifié par Arik7, 31 mars 2012 - 08:44 .
Brahox wrote...
"artistic integrity" is the same crap they pulled with the recycled quests/maps in DA:2..
Modifié par Kazanth, 31 mars 2012 - 09:20 .
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
101ezylonhxeT wrote...
ME and games in general are not art so your OP is pointless.
No, they are art and YOUR oppinion is pointless. A bunch of artists working together creatingart. How can the final product NOT be art? Way to go backstab the entire gaming industry like that.
It doesn't matter AT ALL how dissatistifed some poeple are with the end. It doesnt even matter how many people are dissatisfied.
As long as the developer/artist is satisfied.
If I were to write a story and love it as it is, It would matter if the entire friggin world tought I should change it. The entire friggin world can go suck ** *******.
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