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[Krogangreetings]

I'm curious where does multiplayer fit in this artistic bit

a second rate horde mode clone? not really gallery material

[Padre_175]

Can someone please hold the line for me, nature calls!

[G4m3r D4d]

Dear OP, art is subjective. And my subjective view of ME3's ending is that it is incoherent, confusing, and truncated.

Much like looking at the Mona Lisa and thinking, yeah, she's just farted and is smiling in satisfaction waiting for Leo's inevitable reaction.

Put some clothes on, David, you'll catch your death. Oh and while you're at it Mike, don't paint that ceiling, people don't want to spend all day craning their necks.

Yeah, I'm taking the proverbial michael here, but do you see the point, OP? Or am I just wasting my time as you've finished the game and are now thinking the same as a great many other people?

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Nightwriter wrote...

I rather thought the endings betrayed Mass Effect's artistic merit as a series. Changing it would be going back and doing the "art" justice, not ruining it.

This. When an ending, compared to the rest of the game series, feels so blatantly out of place, it opposes the original artistic value.

[edit] It's getting funny that people always use books to defend 'artistic integrity'... A book is a solid medium. Chaning it would cost a lot of money... printing... book binding and all that. But a game is an interchangable medium. With most parts of the world having access to broadband internet, developers can easily add, remove or polish content. Which they often do, otherwise we wouldn't get patches and DLCs. And IF Bioware truly decides to change things (which I sincerely hope), then it will most likely come as a DLC. So, don't want it, don't download it. Problem solved

Modifié par Shin-Anubis, 31 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Legbiter]

Bioware not issuing new endings would be like a professional wedding photographer haughtily invoking "artistic vision" when you point out that his thumb is in all the pictures.

[Mixon]

Man asks to not change the ending and he even didn't see the ending? I will follow his posts on forum after he will finish the game...

[woodbyte]

jaysabz wrote...

Listen, I haven't even finished the game yet, been travelling, but please read on.

No.
And "art" has already lost, my dear boy. Play the game and see for yourself.

Modifié par woodbyte, 31 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[VampireSoap]

jaysabz wrote...

Listen, I haven't even finished the game yet, been travelling, but please read on.

Jason

No offense, but you haven't finished the game and how do you know the ending is "art"? I mean, you don't even try to understand why other people think the way they do. It really doesn't help your argument if you are arguing from an ignorant position. (Since you have no knowledge at all about the main issue.)

[Kosmiker]

This is one of the most funniest and worst topic titles ever.

As for the concerns, why even bothering about it if you haven't finished the game. By now you already did (not sure if you already posted that after the original post). Anyway, art isn't going to be killed and the endings can't change that much either... unfortunately.

[Rob Banks]

It's not the loud social networking / internet crowd, it's all the genuine fans of the game.

When comments regarding the ending first began to arise, I had not yet finished the game and I thought maybe too many people had just rushed through to the end and got an ending for not completing a proper play through. However, after finishing the game (doing everything possible, completing all side - quests, gaining all war assets) I was gutted and understood what everyone was talking about.

I've already said it in other posts, but if you've played Mass Effect from the beginning, the last 10 minutes of the game makes no sense in context to the rest of the story. It's not the fact the people don't like the ending, it's the fact that there's no logic to it.

You say Bioware should not change the ending to uphold there artist integrity, but Bioware has always listened to it's fans and is one of reason why Mass Effect has been developed in the way that it has. Fan feeback is something that they have always taken on board and ultimately helped them to make a better game as a result.

Obviously you can't debate this fully yet because you haven't finished the game, but before you say it just loud people making a noise, it's not, it's people like myself who just really love the games and all we want in an ending to 'our' stories that rings true.

[Salis777]

Retarded thread

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arik7 wrote...

BioWare/EA, less than 5% of fans like the ending.

In my opinion, the ending wasn't "artistic", it was silly and incompatible with the rest of the Mass Effect Universe.  

What's more important: your so-called "artistic" integrity or providing a quality product to your consumers?  

Define "quality".
Here's a hint: It''s not defined as "ending I like".

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arkitekt wrote...
Yeah you tell 'em how to manage a successful game company with budgets over hundred million dollars per game! Who cares if no one's buying? The entire world can go suck.... oh wait there's nothing to suck.

As opposed to you telling them?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

BioWare/EA, less than 5% of fans like the ending.

In my opinion, the ending wasn't "artistic", it was silly and incompatible with the rest of the Mass Effect Universe.  

What's more important: your so-called "artistic" integrity or providing a quality product to your consumers?  

Define "quality".
Here's a hint: It''s not defined as "ending I like".

Funny it doesn't seem to fall under "LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" either.<_<

Oh wait let me guess I don't get how DARK, EDGY, and NUANCED it is right?

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 31 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[Il Divo]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME and games in general are not art so your OP is pointless.

No, they are art and YOUR oppinion is pointless. A bunch of artists working together creatingart. How can the final product NOT be art? Way to go backstab the entire gaming industry like that.

It doesn't matter AT ALL how dissatistifed some poeple are with the end. It doesnt even matter how many people are dissatisfied.
As long as the developer/artist is satisfied.

If I were to write a story and love it as it is, It would matter if the entire friggin world tought I should change it. The entire friggin world can go suck ** *******.

 The mentality of "it's all about what I want" is exactly what will prevent you from ever releasing a product. The market doesn't care what the artist wants; the market only cares what the consumer wants. If EA did not think ME3 would generate a profit, ME3 would not have been made. In other words: your art depends upon my money.

Modifié par Il Divo, 31 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[Gulaman]

It's a dumb ending for sure, but it's Bioware's ending to make. If they want to release DLC that provides alternate ending then that's fine too. But I'm not going to let a crap 10 minute ending spoil the years of enjoyment I had playing these games.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Krogangreetings wrote...

I'm curious where does multiplayer fit in this artistic bit

a second rate horde mode clone? not really gallery material

Lots of ppl think it's fun.

[DigitalAvatar]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Define "quality".
Here's a hint: It''s not defined as "ending I like".

Quality: "high grade; superiority; excellence" - Everything the Mass Effect 3 ending isn't.
In the context of Mass Effect 3, I would desribe a quality ending as one which is logically coherent, consistent with previously established plot elements and gameplay direction, and leaving the player with a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment. Unfortunately the Mass Effect 3 ending does none of that.

[abaris]

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Quality: "high grade; superiority; excellence" - Everything the Mass Effect 3 ending isn't.
In the context of Mass Effect 3, I would desribe a quality ending as one which is logically coherent, consistent with previously established plot elements and gameplay direction, and leaving the player with a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment. Unfortunately the Mass Effect 3 ending does none of that.

You could argue it's an artistic achievement to leave the player revolted, depressed and suicidal after completing the game.

[Arik7]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

BioWare/EA, less than 5% of fans like the ending.

In my opinion, the ending wasn't "artistic", it was silly and incompatible with the rest of the Mass Effect Universe.  

What's more important: your so-called "artistic" integrity or providing a quality product to your consumers?  

Define "quality".
Here's a hint: It''s not defined as "ending I like".

Quality writing has narrative coherance and cosistency.  Mass Effect 3 does not.   Except for the last 5-10 min, the Mass Effect trilogy is a classic sci fi with real life moral decisions and technological limitations.  At the end, we get god-children, space magic, and meaningless "choices."

The reason almost everybody hates the ending is false advertising and lack of genre consistency.

Modifié par Arik7, 31 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Krogangreetings]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Krogangreetings wrote...

I'm curious where does multiplayer fit in this artistic bit

a second rate horde mode clone? not really gallery material

Lots of ppl think it's fun.

Doesn't make it art

[XTR3M3]

OP had 2 problems in their post before I quit reading as they must just be a troll.
1. they hadn't finished it yet so they are talking out of the orifice they sit on and
2. they were checking that IGNorant site and taking what those EA cheerleaders are saying as fact.
3. they have no registered games, not even ME3.

The rest of their post is irrelevant and is rendered invalid by the 2 reasons I mentioned above.

I don't want BioWare to change the ending, I want them to release some DLC that fixes the ending. That way people that do like it can keep the current one and people that like the ending to meet the promises made by BioWare's hype, follow the mass effect story, and don't break a bunch of "literary rules" in the last minutes of a story can have what we like too.

Modifié par XTR3M3, 31 mars 2012 - 05:13 .

[Ericus]

Different art mediums = different approaches. What has made Mass Effect a true piece of art is the combination of
- hard work, passion & innovative story telling from Bioware, and
- the amazing involvement from the fan base through fan art, costumes, fan-fiction, participation at conferences, writing in these forums, etc...

Without both these factors, Mass Effect is just another product, not art. It's only fitting that the end should also come from the combined input of Bioware and the fans.

[XTR3M3]

Biosargent wrote...

I so ROLF'd at this. That is the PERFECT response to that OP!

[Reorte]

VampireSoap wrote...

No offense, but you haven't finished the game and how do you know the ending is "art"? I mean, you don't even try to understand why other people think the way they do. It really doesn't help your argument if you are arguing from an ignorant position. (Since you have no knowledge at all about the main issue.)

To be fair that's possible. I've not finished the game either - I deliberately stopped just before the end, having ended up with prior knowledge of it.