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[Salis777]

To OP, lucky you're not running a business. You'd fail.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Art is a photo of someone ****ting on their early copy of the ME3 game case. **** on top of ****.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

The ending of ME3 might've had "art" to it, but it was, in my opinion, at the expense of the art of ME1 and 2.

[Herr Igor]

Nothing that makes any allusion to the term "multiplayer" can ever be considered art.

Modifié par Herr Igor, 24 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[Aamutuuli]

I wanna say, that I don't think endings should be changed. They were far from perfect, but I can live with it.

BUT... I want to say, that people who say "Bioware is not getting my money anymore" should grow up. That's my opinion. Bioware has done lots of good stuff and probably will do more good stuff. Failing at this ending... thing doesn't invalidate all their previous and future works. Of course, it's your money, you decide how you use it, no argument there. But if you liked Bioware games and do your decision based ONLY on this ending thing... yeah. In my opinion it's overkill.

[mrpoultry]

jaysabz wrote...

Well let's say you didn't like the way Hemmingway's novel ended. If he was alive today, you'd petition him to re-write it?

I'm not a gaming journalist, I have a real job.

"Art" to me is anything you can see or experience. Paintings. Movies. Video Games.

*SPOILER ALERT*




In the movie "Se7en" his wife's head is in the box.




*END SPOILERS*

So if you think she should've been saved, you want the actors to go re-do the ending?

You're all nuts.

No becuase Se7en's ending was good, clever and made sense. ME3's ending was niether of those things and  didn't have the promises of the developer said would be in the final product.

[deaditegonzo102]

@Aamutuuli, Well, there is Dragon Age 2 to think about as well.

But, to me it comes down to this. It isnt just about the ending, its about a corporation making false promises, not following through, and then just saying "Shove It" when you demand what you paid for. Letting businesses crap on the consumer is not good for anyone.

[Herr Igor]

Aamutuuli wrote...

I wanna say, that I don't think endings should be changed. They were far from perfect, but I can live with it.

BUT... I want to say, that people who say "Bioware is not getting my money anymore" should grow up. That's my opinion. Bioware has done lots of good stuff and probably will do more good stuff. Failing at this ending... thing doesn't invalidate all their previous and future works. Of course, it's your money, you decide how you use it, no argument there. But if you liked Bioware games and do your decision based ONLY on this ending thing... yeah. In my opinion it's overkill.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. We appreciate your feedback. And while we are still listing Bioware is sure not getting my money anymore.

[DeinonSlayer]

Aamutuuli wrote...

I wanna say, that I don't think endings should be changed. They were far from perfect, but I can live with it.

BUT... I want to say, that people who say "Bioware is not getting my money anymore" should grow up. That's my opinion. Bioware has done lots of good stuff and probably will do more good stuff. Failing at this ending... thing doesn't invalidate all their previous and future works. Of course, it's your money, you decide how you use it, no argument there. But if you liked Bioware games and do your decision based ONLY on this ending thing... yeah. In my opinion it's overkill.

Who wants to buy a game which not only has no replay value, but retroactively kills the replay value of its two preceding sequels?

Why Bioware thought their fans would clamor for the opportunity to march of the end of a cliff at the end of a 100+ hour journey is beyond me.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[don-mika]

KBomb wrote...

don-mika wrote...

ART is when author doing something with his vision, something that his like

When something made because people ask for it, this is called- product

 
Well, then it's a good thing Mass Effect is a product then. Look at all the changes they made through out the series because it was fan popular. Guess that settles that argument, amirite?

that was made not because people ASK it, people LOVE it

Did people ask BW for Baldurs Gate? or for NeverWinter..? Jade Empire? KOTOR, ME1. DA:O?

No, this game was made because BioWare doing what thay like, and how they see it.

DA2- is what people ask

So let just BioWare do what they want

Modifié par don-mika, 24 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[Ethical]

The OP is trolling. That or he is skipping post that disprove his points and just acting like they still hold.

Listen, your comparisons to other bleak media does NOT hold weight. None of their producers claimed the following as Casey Hudson did:

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

If the director or producer of Se7en made claims that there was no sad ending, there would be some people complaining. He did not however and the general consensus of the ending is that it is brilliant.

Read Hudson's quote, then go through the ending (seriously why you started this thread without even finishing the game only reeks of trolling), then come back and try to defend your Original post.

Modifié par Ethical, 24 mars 2012 - 03:05 .

[Salis777]

Aamutuuli wrote...

I wanna say, that I don't think endings should be changed. They were far from perfect, but I can live with it.

BUT... I want to say, that people who say "Bioware is not getting my money anymore" should grow up. That's my opinion. Bioware has done lots of good stuff and probably will do more good stuff. Failing at this ending... thing doesn't invalidate all their previous and future works. Of course, it's your money, you decide how you use it, no argument there. But if you liked Bioware games and do your decision based ONLY on this ending thing... yeah. In my opinion it's overkill.

So saying xyz made a sh*tty product, and I'm not buying from them again is something I should 'grow up' about?  Silly

ME3 was great, a really small fixable part wasn't.  It's easy enough to make changes to make more people happy.

Shrug.  $$$ talk, people said their piece.

[spirosz]

Please, people. Stop using "art" for these arguments, it's way too subjective and this whole ME3 is "art" is not helping either side of the argument.

[KBomb]

don-mika wrote...

that was made not because people ASK it, people LOVE it

Is people ask BW for Baldurs Gate? or for NewerWinter..? Jade Empire? KOTOR, ME1. DA:O?

No, this game was made because BioWare doing what thay like, and how they see it.

DA2- is what people ask

So let just BioWare do what they want

 
People did ask for a Tali romance. They asked for a Garrus romance, too.

 Also, does it matter if they do something because they know fans want it vs. fans asking for it? Either way, it isn't their vision that makes the decision, it's the fans. Casey Hudson said he never saw Garrus as a potential LI, yet—he is one.

Modifié par KBomb, 24 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Kia Purity]

I'm an artist and the endings insulted me. There was no art in it at all. :|

[Aamutuuli]

Err, I think I wasn't clear enough. If someone makes bad product, yes, I will vote with my feet and wallet. My point was that Bioware isn't all bad all the time. For me it's little too radical to say, Bioware is crap because they failed at ending (even though there is also DA2 to consider like deaditegonzo102 pointed out).

I apologize for my bad choice of words in "growing up" saying. Just wanted to say, that if I get many good games and bad ending for fair game, it doesn't make me to abandon whole firm on the spot. It might make me think when the next game comes, but that's it. But we all can vote with our wallet if we feel the need.

[ParagonGreg]

“Art is never finished, only abandoned.” - Leonardo da Vinci

[Salis777]

Aamutuuli wrote...

Err, I think I wasn't clear enough. If someone makes bad product, yes, I will vote with my feet and wallet. My point was that Bioware isn't all bad all the time. For me it's little too radical to say, Bioware is crap because they failed at ending (even though there is also DA2 to consider like deaditegonzo102 pointed out).

I apologize for my bad choice of words in "growing up" saying. Just wanted to say, that if I get many good games and bad ending for fair game, it doesn't make me to abandon whole firm on the spot. It might make me think when the next game comes, but that's it. But we all can vote with our wallet if we feel the need.

I think that's the killer.  It's such an easy fix to make this the gaming trilogy of all time.  And creatively, to get a kick up the ass once in a while (a corporate kick up the ass though it may be), doesn't do any harm.  Motivation, especially from fans who LOVE you, is a great thing.

Not to get too real world and non-gamey but,

http://articles.busi...ives-complaints

Modifié par Salis777, 24 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[Mondo47]

I've read plenty of books and seen God knows how many movies where I would have played the end out differently. I shrug and move on. As a medium in general, literature and cinema are third-person activities; we're on the outside looking in, and no matter how involved we become or feel, we're always external to the experience of the characters within. We turn the last page, the house lights go up, and we know it's over.

Videogames with such a level of involvement as Mass Effect has overall become much more intently personal to the viewer; the sense of being a passive observer fades as we ourselves are forging the story's outcome. This is perhaps why the movement to change the endings is so strong - at the last minute control was taken from the player, leading to what are considered rather exclusive and arbitrary outcomes. And after three games, the bond between player and game is probably pretty powerful... as are the chances any ending will not meet the expectations of the people that had been through it all. It's a tough situation to be in, for both creator and the person experiencing the end product.

You can argue for or against the "art" - I'd personally not demand a new ending because I've already got to the end; I did not like it, but I can't un-experience it. If BioWare wanted to steer their world in a particular direction though, they could have been a bit more careful about it. And a lot tidier with their loose ends. Hopefully they'll understand this next time.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Hey. Sir Author Conan Doyle wants to speak with you about when he retcon'd Sherlock Holmes death for his fans.

He's upset that you think he ruined art. Why would you say that?

Had Holmes stayed dead, Watson would have finally gotten his shot at being the great detective.

You proud of yourself, 19th century Sherlock Holmes fans? You proud that you killed Watson's dreams?

Screw you, 19th century Sherlock Holmes fans. Screw you.

[don-mika]

KBomb wrote...
  
People did ask for a Tali romance. They asked for a Garrus romance, too.

 Also, does it matter if they do something because they know fans want it vs. fans asking for it? Either way, it isn't their vision that makes the decision, it's the fans. Casey Hudson said he never saw Garrus as a potential LI, yet—he is one.

www.me3finalhours.com/ you can find here many new interesting facts about all trilogy 

Modifié par don-mika, 24 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[Aamutuuli]

Salis777 wrote...

Aamutuuli wrote...

Err, I think I wasn't clear enough. If someone makes bad product, yes, I will vote with my feet and wallet. My point was that Bioware isn't all bad all the time. For me it's little too radical to say, Bioware is crap because they failed at ending (even though there is also DA2 to consider like deaditegonzo102 pointed out).

I apologize for my bad choice of words in "growing up" saying. Just wanted to say, that if I get many good games and bad ending for fair game, it doesn't make me to abandon whole firm on the spot. It might make me think when the next game comes, but that's it. But we all can vote with our wallet if we feel the need.

I think that's the killer.  It's such an easy fix to make this the gaming trilogy of all time.  And creatively, to get a kick up the ass once in a while (a corporate kick up the ass though it may be), doesn't do any harm.  Motivation, especially from fans who LOVE you, is a great thing.

Not to get too real world and non-gamey but,

http://articles.busi...ives-complaints

Yeah I don't argue with that. Customer service must be handled well and with care. I just disagree with the way of motivation. Critique should be given and encouraged. There are lots of people who have given constructive criticism here on the forums, that is the way to motivate. Telling that Bioware sucks and not gonna get anymore money (like some have done, not all)... somehow doesn't help in my opinion. But I might be wrong, wouldn't be first time.

[N172]

If they ADD new endings it does not mean that they CHANGE the one (with few variations) thats already there.

If the art is lost as soon as they add stuff after the game is finished there is no art to loose anymore, since they already added stuff in all 3 games via DLC.

PS: Personally, i will most likely be ok with the ending if they just add a "Join/Rescue the normandy crew"-DLC.

Modifié par N172, 24 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[KBomb]

don-mika wrote...

KBomb wrote...
  
People did ask for a Tali romance. They asked for a Garrus romance, too.

 Also, does it matter if they do something because they know fans want it vs. fans asking for it? Either way, it isn't their vision that makes the decision, it's the fans. Casey Hudson said he never saw Garrus as a potential LI, yet—he is one.

www.me3finalhours.com/ you can find here many new interesting facts about all trilogy 

 
Wow, an app to explain things about the production and universe. An app that costs money for devices that are as about commercial as you can get. How very artsy.

[Rocharox]

pointless...