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Sir Author Conan Doyle altered his "art" and guess what? People loved it and he became more popular.
BioWare, if you change the ME3 ending "art" has lost
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#101
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:17
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Retour en haut
#102
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:18
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Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
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#103
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:19
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How very open minded of you... insulting the ovetwhelming majority of the fans.PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
#104
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:24
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Arik7 wrote...
How very open minded of you... insulting the ovetwhelming majority of the fans.PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
Only the ones that were whiners and the i demand satisfaction!! Fans.
#105
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:27
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PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Arik7 wrote...
How very open minded of you... insulting the ovetwhelming majority of the fans.PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
Only the ones that were whiners and the i demand satisfaction!! Fans.
I'm one of those peoples, I have not whined, I have no demanded anything. I only countered the logical fallacies I saw in the OP.
Seeing as your original post dealt in absolutes with no gray inbetween, you are the most close-minded out of everyone in this thread.
#106
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:34
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jaysabz wrote...
Listen, I haven't even finished the game yet, been travelling, but please read on.
I do check IGN's mobile site from my phone here and there and have learned about this "uprising" to change the ME3 ending.
PLEASE, PLEASE, Please do not change the game's ending (sight unseen for me) just because of these protests!
If you do, where do we go from there??
We live in such a self-entitled "please me" society these days. BIOWARE, you made these games. I understand the need to please your customers - I myself am in the service industry. But PLEASE do not fold to the demands of the loud social networking / internet crowd. It will set a dangerous precedent.
Even within the realm of video games... NOOO... we want character "X" (FFVII) to live...
...NOOO... we want character "X" to survive in Halo Reach....
Where will it stop?
DO NOT alter your art. Look at the state of the Star Wars series with all the crappy revisions over the years.
Tell your player base to "DEAL WITH IT" ...
I've read TONS of books that I hoped ended differently. I never wrote to the author of a book and demanded he or she rewrite the ending to meet my demands.
On that topic, one very good author wrote a book about that situation. It was Stephen King, and the book was "Misery". The woman found her favorite author crippled and kept the author all locked up and in his bed and would re-break his legs b/c she was never happy with what he was doing with her favorite character.
Dont' fall down this wormhole, BIoWare. Please don't. You made the art which is Mass Effect 3. Don't alter it due to some loudmouth advocates. Not all video games are "art", but the Mass Effect series certainly is. To quote a line from my favorite movie, Rushmore... "nihilne sanctum est"... "Is nothing sacred?"
Do the right thing, BioWare.
A big fan of yours for years....
Jason
Ahh, Mass Effect will be worth more after Bioware closes shop! Here here for art! Nothing is sacred...the game highlights that point quite well...in a colorfully artistic fashion I might add.
#107
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:39
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Ethical wrote...
PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Arik7 wrote...
How very open minded of you... insulting the ovetwhelming majority of the fans.PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
Only the ones that were whiners and the i demand satisfaction!! Fans.
I'm one of those peoples, I have not whined, I have no demanded anything. I only countered the logical fallacies I saw in the OP.
Seeing as your original post dealt in absolutes with no gray inbetween, you are the most close-minded out of everyone in this thread.
That is your useless and unwelcome opinon .
#108
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:40
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Enlighten us, in what way are the endings artistic when taking into consideration the rest of the Mass Effect trilogy? Numerous people have made arguments against the validity of the endings. Hiding behind the "Artistic Integrity" defense by itself is insufficient weight to make the endings worthwhile. Providing evidence that they have actual merit would be far more convincing.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:50
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Right, I'll just leave these examples here
You know, of art actually being changed/altered to please fans:
Bethesda's Fallout 3 Broken Steel DLC (altered the ending)
InFamous 2's change of Cole McGrath's...eh....uniform I guess, prior to release. (Changed to a more urban/grunge look due to fan backlash)
Ubisoft's Prince of Persia (2008) addition of "Epilogue DLC" that expanded the current "dreary" end for a more "upbeat" one.
It's also happened in various other forms of art.
Movies: George Lucas' orginal title for his third installment to the original Star Wars trilogy was going to be Revenge of the Jedi. But due to fan complaints that revenge is a negative emotion, hence goes against Jedi precepts/beliefs, it was changed to RETURN of the Jedi
Books: Right we have Sherlock Holmes already in here, but did you know that J.K. Rowlings originally suggested that the last book would kill either or both Harry Potter AND Ron? Fans talked her out of that.
Comic Books: Always bring back a hero or villain to suit their current storylines. In the Comic business it's called a "retcon"
And here's the big shocker:
Art/Paintings: Artist Édouard Manet altered his Le dÉjeuner sur l'herbe (The Luncheon on the Grass) by adding in a background image of a partially clothed woman after initial reaction to the piece made it highly controversial to the public at large.
The big question is of course: If this had been simply, as various "professionals" try to spin it, a very vocal minority, would they have even changed their works in the first place?
Thank you and have a nice day.
You know, of art actually being changed/altered to please fans:
Bethesda's Fallout 3 Broken Steel DLC (altered the ending)
InFamous 2's change of Cole McGrath's...eh....uniform I guess, prior to release. (Changed to a more urban/grunge look due to fan backlash)
Ubisoft's Prince of Persia (2008) addition of "Epilogue DLC" that expanded the current "dreary" end for a more "upbeat" one.
It's also happened in various other forms of art.
Movies: George Lucas' orginal title for his third installment to the original Star Wars trilogy was going to be Revenge of the Jedi. But due to fan complaints that revenge is a negative emotion, hence goes against Jedi precepts/beliefs, it was changed to RETURN of the Jedi
Books: Right we have Sherlock Holmes already in here, but did you know that J.K. Rowlings originally suggested that the last book would kill either or both Harry Potter AND Ron? Fans talked her out of that.
Comic Books: Always bring back a hero or villain to suit their current storylines. In the Comic business it's called a "retcon"
And here's the big shocker:
Art/Paintings: Artist Édouard Manet altered his Le dÉjeuner sur l'herbe (The Luncheon on the Grass) by adding in a background image of a partially clothed woman after initial reaction to the piece made it highly controversial to the public at large.
The big question is of course: If this had been simply, as various "professionals" try to spin it, a very vocal minority, would they have even changed their works in the first place?
Thank you and have a nice day.
#111
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:53
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PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Ethical wrote...
PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Only the ones that were whiners and the i demand satisfaction!! Fans.Arik7 wrote...
How very open minded of you... insulting the ovetwhelming majority of the fans.PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
I'm one of those peoples, I have not whined, I have no demanded anything. I only countered the logical fallacies I saw in the OP.
Seeing as your original post dealt in absolutes with no gray inbetween, you are the most close-minded out of everyone in this thread.
That is your useless and unwelcome opinon .
That is your useless and unwelcome opinion.
#112
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:54
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The outrage is meant to provide the artsits (Bioware) time to make their art the way they truly wished it to be.
They obviously didn't achieve that the first time. Art loses if the endings stay the same... the art dies as it is now...
That "save the art/don't change the endings" stuff falls flatly on its face.
They obviously didn't achieve that the first time. Art loses if the endings stay the same... the art dies as it is now...
That "save the art/don't change the endings" stuff falls flatly on its face.
#114
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:59
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^plardman wrote...
PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Ethical wrote...
PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Only the ones that were whiners and the i demand satisfaction!! Fans.Arik7 wrote...
How very open minded of you... insulting the ovetwhelming majority of the fans.PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
I'm one of those peoples, I have not whined, I have no demanded anything. I only countered the logical fallacies I saw in the OP.
Seeing as your original post dealt in absolutes with no gray inbetween, you are the most close-minded out of everyone in this thread.
That is your useless and unwelcome opinon .
That is your useless and unwelcome opinion.
#115
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:11
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PinkDiamondstl wrote...
^plardman wrote...
PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Ethical wrote...
PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Only the ones that were whiners and the i demand satisfaction!! Fans.Arik7 wrote...
How very open minded of you... insulting the ovetwhelming majority of the fans.PinkDiamondstl wrote...
Oh boy ..........
This is't going to end well...........
Good luck OP most of these people are so close-minded and the rest are morons.
I'm one of those peoples, I have not whined, I have no demanded anything. I only countered the logical fallacies I saw in the OP.
Seeing as your original post dealt in absolutes with no gray inbetween, you are the most close-minded out of everyone in this thread.
That is your useless and unwelcome opinon .
That is your useless and unwelcome opinion.
#116
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:14
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Stalemate, let it go (both of you).
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:16
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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Stalemate, let it go (both of you).
OK sorry that was Immature of me.
#118
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:26
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plardman wrote...
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Stalemate, let it go (both of you).
OK sorry that was Immature of me.
Actually, that right there... was very mature of you.
#119
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:35
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Finish the game first then come back and write an honest opnion on what you loved and hated about the ending.
#120
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:38
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ART where is my museum for said art so that I may enjoy it for free
#121
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:40
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How can the Call of Duty ifcation of Mass Effect could be considered "art."
There are no more Star War moives coming because fans hated the direction George Lucas went with it let alone what he did with Indiana Jones. On the record, his best movie was one he didn't direct.
Games are really stories and good stories can only be considered art after people say it's good enough to be considered art.
As it stands it's just a portrait of the Virgin Mary painted with Elephant poop. (By the way someone said THAT was art.)
It's commerial success is unquestion but "art?"
There are no more Star War moives coming because fans hated the direction George Lucas went with it let alone what he did with Indiana Jones. On the record, his best movie was one he didn't direct.
Games are really stories and good stories can only be considered art after people say it's good enough to be considered art.
As it stands it's just a portrait of the Virgin Mary painted with Elephant poop. (By the way someone said THAT was art.)
It's commerial success is unquestion but "art?"
#122
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:42
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jaysabz wrote...
I never wrote to the author of a book and demanded he or she rewrite the ending to meet my demands.
Jason
But a book publisher, upon seeing a completely incoherent ending in the last 20 pages of a potentially great novel might have a word with the author about it. Since there was no oversight by competent individuals in the case, we're gonna have to do it after the fact.
#123
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:45
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Not just the book publisher.. but also the editor(s). OP is also not considering director's cuts or actual drafts.
Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 mars 2012 - 06:45 .
#124
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:45
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Guys guys guys!
Electronic Arts
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Electronic Arts
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#125
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:49
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You seem to think there is such a thing as artistic integrity when everything they release is tightly managed by the publisher.
Games may or may not be art, but any change is 100% going to be a commercial decision.
Games may or may not be art, but any change is 100% going to be a commercial decision.
