Im sorry but if this game is art I want you to take your copy of the game to the nearest art gallery and ask them to hang it for the world to see maybe we can see if we can place are CE copy next to the mona lisa maybe what do you all think?
BioWare, if you change the ME3 ending "art" has lost
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#127
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:50
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Don't forget that all the "love scenes" from Mass Effect 2 on involve the characters wearing underwear. I bet that was part of their artistic vision, too, and had nothing to do with trying to make the game more appealing to certain people... So screw the whole "artistic vision" argument.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:51
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Janus382 wrote...
Guys guys guys!
Electronic Arts
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Maybe they should be reminded of this http://chrishecker.c...r_Make_You_Cry? instead of the snarky "poh I am so smart" bull**** comments people leave on forums...
#129
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:05
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OP,
1 - You haven't even beaten the game but you're wanting the ending kept the same, if you want that than comment *after* you beat ME3, not before.
2 - ME3 is a game, a commercial product...not a work of art. It can have an artistic vision by the people working on it, but that is subject to change by the publishers, finances and the bottom line.
3 - Comparing the people wanting to change the ending to Kathy Bates in Misery is insulting and rude. Would you like to be compared to someone like that for *liking* the endings (you haven't seen yet in your playthrough)?
1 - You haven't even beaten the game but you're wanting the ending kept the same, if you want that than comment *after* you beat ME3, not before.
2 - ME3 is a game, a commercial product...not a work of art. It can have an artistic vision by the people working on it, but that is subject to change by the publishers, finances and the bottom line.
3 - Comparing the people wanting to change the ending to Kathy Bates in Misery is insulting and rude. Would you like to be compared to someone like that for *liking* the endings (you haven't seen yet in your playthrough)?
#130
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:06
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addiction21 wrote...
Janus382 wrote...
Guys guys guys!
Electronic Arts
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Maybe they should be reminded of this http://chrishecker.c...r_Make_You_Cry? instead of the snarky "poh I am so smart" bull**** comments people leave on forums...
T'was a simple joke I thought both sides could appreciate. I apologize. It was not meant to tout my intelligence, or lack thereof
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#131
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:07
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PinkDiamondstl wrote...
that is your useless and unwelcome opinon .
So speaks the troll....
#132
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:09
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they lied in their advertisements about the ending, at this point, 'art' is no longer a valid argument.
#133
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:28
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If you shoot a person in the head, a life has been lost...Funny how a person can use such a generic and meaningless word to defend something that doesn't make sense...I suppose you call it "abstract art".
Tell me, would the world turn into chaos if the Mona Lisa (the most pretentious "art" of them all) got burnt?
Tell me, would the world turn into chaos if the Mona Lisa (the most pretentious "art" of them all) got burnt?
#134
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:31
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I was once like you, my friend.
Now, I hold the line.
Now, I hold the line.
#135
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:35
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Its not art if its changed to please the audience....period.
#136
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:36
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God. They don't have to change the ending, they just have to expand it to include more options. Also, why would you say that if you haven't even seen the ending? Why is the wish for more choice and a different ending less valid than the wish for the current ending even though it's about a game that thrives on player choice? Not to mention the plotholes!
#137
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:37
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Spectre197 wrote...
Im sorry but if this game is art I want you to take your copy of the game to the nearest art gallery and ask them to hang it for the world to see maybe we can see if we can place are CE copy next to the mona lisa maybe what do you all think?
Computer games are a form of visual and interactive art, no matter what a layman would say or believe.
#139
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:48
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Art lost when he sold out the first time.
And it's funny that 'it is art' is only used when there's massive consumer dissatisfaction with a commercial product - then it's suddenly art.
It's also funny when you think about the prompting for 'buy more'.
Postcards at a tourist trap isn't art either. It might depict art - but it's not art.
And it's funny that 'it is art' is only used when there's massive consumer dissatisfaction with a commercial product - then it's suddenly art.
It's also funny when you think about the prompting for 'buy more'.
Postcards at a tourist trap isn't art either. It might depict art - but it's not art.
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#140
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 08:03
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you are dumb, and not true fan(if any) of mass effect
#141
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 08:14
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Janus382 wrote...
addiction21 wrote...
Janus382 wrote...
Guys guys guys!
Electronic Arts
/thread
Maybe they should be reminded of this http://chrishecker.c...r_Make_You_Cry? instead of the snarky "poh I am so smart" bull**** comments people leave on forums...
T'was a simple joke I thought both sides could appreciate. I apologize. It was not meant to tout my intelligence, or lack thereof
Dont worry. I look for reasons to link that. There is idealism to it I love for some reason
#142
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 08:42
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Thats absurd. I've been playing video games all my life, this franchise being one of my favorites. They absolutely ruined the games, comics, and books with that ending. Also, am I ruining music when I remix/reedit the ending?? (weather i'm a good dj or not, speaking universally of course) Ive remixed songs with terrible endings, that won't flow with my setlist.......All in all video games are a different type of art.
#143
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 08:44
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The art argument is invalid.
Move along.
Move along.
#144
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 08:47
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jaysabz wrote...
A big fan of yours for years....
Jason
A big fan that dont have any registered games.
0/10 fail troll
#145
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 08:50
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jaysabz wrote...
Listen, I haven't even finished the game yet, been travelling, but please read on.
I do check IGN's mobile site from my phone here and there and have learned about this "uprising" to change the ME3 ending.
PLEASE, PLEASE, Please do not change the game's ending (sight unseen for me) just because of these protests!
If you do, where do we go from there??
We live in such a self-entitled "please me" society these days. BIOWARE, you made these games. I understand the need to please your customers - I myself am in the service industry. But PLEASE do not fold to the demands of the loud social networking / internet crowd. It will set a dangerous precedent.
Even within the realm of video games... NOOO... we want character "X" (FFVII) to live...
...NOOO... we want character "X" to survive in Halo Reach....
Where will it stop?
DO NOT alter your art. Look at the state of the Star Wars series with all the crappy revisions over the years.
Tell your player base to "DEAL WITH IT" ...
I've read TONS of books that I hoped ended differently. I never wrote to the author of a book and demanded he or she rewrite the ending to meet my demands.
On that topic, one very good author wrote a book about that situation. It was Stephen King, and the book was "Misery". The woman found her favorite author crippled and kept the author all locked up and in his bed and would re-break his legs b/c she was never happy with what he was doing with her favorite character.
Dont' fall down this wormhole, BIoWare. Please don't. You made the art which is Mass Effect 3. Don't alter it due to some loudmouth advocates. Not all video games are "art", but the Mass Effect series certainly is. To quote a line from my favorite movie, Rushmore... "nihilne sanctum est"... "Is nothing sacred?"
Do the right thing, BioWare.
A big fan of yours for years....
Jason
BioWare said that they will only flesh out the ending, and that it will be optional all the while maintaining their own artistic integrity. While your point is not lost on them, they know it very well to maintain their own independence in free expression. But overall, I do agree: BioWare has a lot of respect on the line riding for this issue, and if they do change the ending, they risk losing that dignity.
#146
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 08:58
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if they don't .. they risk losing a lot of money (speculating of course).
#147
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 09:14
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Speaking of art and artistic INTEGRITY
#148
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 09:24
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Before I had completed the game I was in the same boat as you OP, but then I finished the game and realized just how bad the ending was.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 09:47
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I'm so tired of this 'if you change it, it's not art' crap. That mode of thinking didn't come about until, at the very least, the modernists near the turn-of-the-century. Before that, most artists were 'employed' by patrons. Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel at the behest of the church. On that point, when the Council of Trent decided nudity was disgusting in religious art, they had the genitalia of the figures in The Last Judgement covered. Da Vinci's Mona Lisa was commissioned by Franceso del Giocondo, as a piece for his family's new home. Many composers were also 'employees' of the churches, musical conservatories, and wealthy families willing to pay for their pieces. Johann Sebastian Bach, for example, did the bulk of his work for the church.
Point being, many of the greatest pieces of art were commissioned by patrons--people willing to pay for it. They told the artists how to do it. And the artists obliged, because that was where their paycheck came from.
Point being, many of the greatest pieces of art were commissioned by patrons--people willing to pay for it. They told the artists how to do it. And the artists obliged, because that was where their paycheck came from.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 09:51
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(posted this in another thread, putting it here as this seems to be the main thread for discussing this issue)
I'm not sure where this "artistic integrity" thing keeps coming from, but let's try and put it to bed once and for all. Art has nothing to do with this issue, it is a red herring. Art is about a dialogue between creator and audience, it is not and never has been a one way street. All art forms change as a response to audience criticism. There are numerous examples from throughout history. Shakespeare rewrote many of his plays in response to audience reactions, such as The Taming of the Shrew and Troilus and Cressida. Tolkien rewrote The Hobbit after its first printing so it was more in line with universe depicted in the Lord of the Rings, anticipating reader confusion. TV shows *constantly* rewrite and change plans based on how the audience reacts to what's been shown, as anyone who watches a long running TV show will know. You don't even need to leave this very forum to find other examples: remember the strong negative fan reaction to the book Mass Effect: Deception? No one said anything about artistic integrity when BioWare said they'd change it in new editions/printing, did they?
In fact if anything, artistic integrity would be maintained by fixing the ending. As Mass Effect executive producer Casey Hudson himself said: "the fans are our co-creators". We're saying that for this work of art to truly matter, BioWare need to be courageous enough to make the decision to change the ending.
I'm not sure where this "artistic integrity" thing keeps coming from, but let's try and put it to bed once and for all. Art has nothing to do with this issue, it is a red herring. Art is about a dialogue between creator and audience, it is not and never has been a one way street. All art forms change as a response to audience criticism. There are numerous examples from throughout history. Shakespeare rewrote many of his plays in response to audience reactions, such as The Taming of the Shrew and Troilus and Cressida. Tolkien rewrote The Hobbit after its first printing so it was more in line with universe depicted in the Lord of the Rings, anticipating reader confusion. TV shows *constantly* rewrite and change plans based on how the audience reacts to what's been shown, as anyone who watches a long running TV show will know. You don't even need to leave this very forum to find other examples: remember the strong negative fan reaction to the book Mass Effect: Deception? No one said anything about artistic integrity when BioWare said they'd change it in new editions/printing, did they?
In fact if anything, artistic integrity would be maintained by fixing the ending. As Mass Effect executive producer Casey Hudson himself said: "the fans are our co-creators". We're saying that for this work of art to truly matter, BioWare need to be courageous enough to make the decision to change the ending.
