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[Atakuma]

highwindstryder wrote...

Yeah, there are way too many showings/occurrences of the god baby for this to be a coincidence. It's pretty much already set as canon, going forward with it can't hurt. I suppose that it your savegame shows that you didn't do the deed yourself, the game will simply say that someone besides the Warden did it.

Way too many? If you did not do the ritual, there are none at all.

Modifié par Atakuma, 24 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[haroldhardluck]

highwindstryder wrote...
Can't they just assume that one ending is canon? Haven't they made such assumptions in the past?

In DA2 there are 4 canonical endings supplied by Bioware and a fifth ending which is whatever one you select from your play of DAO. So multiple canonical endings have been done and Bioware can do it again for Morrigan and the child.

Harold

[haroldhardluck]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
No it is'nt. Morrigan will have god's baby even if you decline the Ritual completely (neither Alistair nor Loghain to replace you too). At the ending screens she still has the child, even if you died. So its not really forced cannon, as it happens already in all of the Origins endings, regardless of your choice.

Not true. If there is no mating with anyone, the epilogue says that Morrigan leaves and hints of her becoming a court mage in some foreign land. There is no indication that she is pregnant as in the epilogue where someone mates with her. In Witch Hunt the dialogue options with Morrigan at the end include options for having the baby and not having the baby.

In these games, there are multiple canonical endings. Bioware provides 4 such endings in DA2 for those who did not play DAO plus you can select one of your endings if you play the game. So for DA3 all Bioware has to do is supply you with a choice of what ending for Morrigan you want to use, baby or no baby.

Harold

[Sutekh]

haroldhardluck wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
No it is'nt. Morrigan will have god's baby even if you decline the Ritual completely (neither Alistair nor Loghain to replace you too). At the ending screens she still has the child, even if you died. So its not really forced cannon, as it happens already in all of the Origins endings, regardless of your choice.

Not true. If there is no mating with anyone, the epilogue says that Morrigan leaves and hints of her becoming a court mage in some foreign land. There is no indication that she is pregnant as in the epilogue where someone mates with her. In Witch Hunt the dialogue options with Morrigan at the end include options for having the baby and not having the baby.

Here's what the epilogue says if you slept with Morrigan but didn't perform the ritual:

True to her word, Morrigan vanished the same night she made her offer at Redcliffe Castle. Someone of Morrigan's description was later seen traveling alone, heading west through the Frostback Mountains... and she may even have been with child. Whose child it might be is unknown, but some whisper that the witch was once the lover of [the Warden] himself. Either way, her ritual was never completed... and there was no word of her after that.

So basically, she might be pregnant, the Warden might be the father, but it's not the OGB because for that to happen, the DR is necessary. No DR, no OGB.

[highwindstryder]

Sutekh wrote...
Not every gamer! Only the ones who refused the Dark Ritual. And everyone knows those people deserve an "up yours."

Ha ha! Kidding! Only kidding!

Seriously, though, no. OGB will not be canon
for players who have refused the Dark Ritual. David Gaider has said so
many, many times. But, there has always been a subset of folks who
continue to ignore that point. Lord knows why. OGB could be very cool,
but I for one hope we'll see big consequences both IF the Dark Ritual
was done, and if it WASN'T done.

Of course, so far we haven't seen BIG consequences for any of our decisions in Dragon Age. But a man can certainly dream.

Even if you didn't get her pregnant yourself, there's no reason someone else couldn't have and she hung around nearby, out of your sight, but close enough, while the final battle occurred.

The thing is, something like the OGB is way too big of a plot point to possibly not even exist.

Unless, of course, it's reduced to a quick cameo where the Old God Baby, reborn as a human, walks into the sunset, happily ever after, having been freed from the Darkspawn curse.

Modifié par highwindstryder, 25 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[highwindstryder]

The point is that the OGB cannot be a main plot point if they are going to stick to the letter of the in-game choices.    And considering they already disappointed everyone with DA2 which only gave cameo treatment to DA1 choices, they may as well do it again.

And most importantly, I don't care what Gaider said, if he said something that prevents the OGB from being the plot point then you may consider this a lobby for a reversal of that decision.

Here's how they could get around it- if you accepted the DR then the OGB is the Warden's, if you didn't, then the storyline assumes that Morrigan went and found another Archdemon that was about to be killed in a Blight that occurred somewhere else.

Modifié par highwindstryder, 25 avril 2012 - 01:46 .

[Ponendus]

I think that Morrigan will play a significant role in The Next Thing. I don't know that it will finish up though. I also don't know I want it to. Morrigan is easily one of the most interesting characters I've ever encountered in a game before, everything from her attitude to her decisions. I hope Morrigan sticks around in the Dragon Age games for a long time.

[Sutekh]

highwindstryder wrote...

Sutekh wrote...
Not every gamer! Only the ones who refused the Dark Ritual. And everyone knows those people deserve an "up yours."

<snip>

What did I write, now? 

ETA

highwindstryder wrote...

Here's how they could get around it- if you accepted the DR then the OGB is the Warden's, if you didn't, then the storyline assumes that Morrigan went and found another Archdemon that was about to be killed in a Blight that occurred somewhere else.

 That doesn't make sense.

Blights aren't mundane things occuring casually without anyone noticing, especially the grey wardens (you know, those guys who sense archdemons and dream about them and all - a sixth sense that Morrigan doesn't have, btw). And it's not as though there's an unlimited supply of archdemons either.

Modifié par Sutekh, 25 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[haroldhardluck]

Sutekh wrote...

True to her word, Morrigan vanished the same night she made her offer at Redcliffe Castle. Someone of Morrigan's description was later seen traveling alone, heading west through the Frostback Mountains... and she may even have been with child. Whose child it might be is unknown, but some whisper that the witch was once the lover of [the Warden] himself. Either way, her ritual was never completed... and there was no word of her after that.

So basically, she might be pregnant, the Warden might be the father, but it's not the OGB because for that to happen, the DR is necessary. No DR, no OGB.

This is an ending that I never got or even tried for as it made no sense story wise. I got either the no ritual/no baby or the ritual/baby endings. In the end I decided that the ritual/baby ending made more sense and that is the one I use for DA2 and will use for DA3 assuming that DA3 will import DAO endings.

This ending does not preclude a Morrigan/baby quest. It is simply an additional option to the baby quest. DAO and Witch Hunt have lots of pretentious but meaningless potents about the purpose and fate of the baby. It is completely open as to why Morrigan wants the baby. A Morrigan quest can end up with knowing why she wanted the baby even if there is no baby. You simpy encounter a bitter Morrigan who tells you what could have been if there had been bably. Or you can finally find out what the baby was all about.

Harold

[LinksOcarina]

I hope her story continues for years to come, not just in Dragon Age III.

We are building a non-linear narrative, so the kid is at best 9-10 years old in-game after Dragon Age II, and 3 will likely be a 2-5 year period after 2...so there is still a LOT of time before the kid is even of age to do anything still...

[lokisjoke13]

True. Personally, the morrigan plot line (up to and including witch hunt) was my favorite in da.

[Sutekh]

haroldhardluck wrote...

This ending does not preclude a Morrigan/baby quest. It is simply an additional option to the baby quest.

Well, I guess the Warden is entitled to go after his kid if he feels like it. It's a known trope, after all. But it would be a pretty standard kid (his parents notwithstanding), not some incarnation of the ancient gods. It changes a lot as to the purpose of that baby. IMHO, it would be better in a fanfiction than in the game.

And yes, there's an enormous plot hole about this ending: why would Morrigan propose the ritual if she's already pregnant?

[highwindstryder]

The old god baby is simply too good of a story basis for them to let go based on any of the reasons presented.  Unless I'm mistaken, the ritual would basically have taken the soul of an archdemon (ie one of the old dragon gods) and freed them from darkspawn curse by being in a human body.    That would give the writers intense freedom to have him/her then explain stuff from long before in the game's history.

[MrsMime]

Yeah, I need to know what happens with Morrigan. I was choked they didn't tie anything up at the end of Witch Hunt, I was hoping for some closure.

In DA2, in act 1 I think it was, where you're going up to the mountain graveyard and you end up talking to Flemeth, she says something to the effect of "my daughter bla bla" or something, and I was like "YES?!" but she gave away nothing. Dang.

Come on, Bioware, throw us a bone.

[Cornelius119]

morrigan could have performed the grey warden joining on her self after you refused, and then bedded who ever. Maybe that could work?

Modifié par Cornelius119, 01 mai 2012 - 07:22 .