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[WatchTheGrass]

Geth.

The Quarians had their chance at peaceful co-existance and time and time again they squandered it for their own ego.

[omgBAMF]

AdmiralJacket wrote...

Quarians.
They can feel pain when they are hurt. They may not be as useful as the Geth, but I couldn't let an entire race of people die in a firestorm of bullets. Especially since there are children, mothers, fathers, and families aboard the civilian ships.

Even if it was the quarian's own ignorance of their creations that caused them to "die in a firestorm of bullets"?  Not to mention, the quarians themselves were the ones that put their  "children, mothers, fathers, and families" in harms way in the first place.

[DemGeth]

I had to choose


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[Oakenshield1]

I'd definitely save the Geth. "Does this unit have a soul" starts a war??? Seriously, Quarians??? You could have just answered yes and let the Geth do their own thing but nooooooooo. Your ego's had to get in the way. Jerks.

[paxxton]

Tali was my good friend and I liked her very much. I hoped for the Quarians to ultimately back off and attempt a peaceful resolution. I honestly felt guilty when I realized that it led to Tali's dramatic death. I tried to persuade them not to go to war but they wouldn't listen. At least that made my actions somewhat justifiable.

Besides, after sabotaging those nasty Krogan I needed the Geth army.

Modifié par paxxton, 24 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[jspiess]

Geth in a landslide!

I have never liked the quarians, and Legion is such a boss.

[AwesomeDudex64]

 I chose Geth in my first playthrough.

[Cuddlezarro]

Geth

because the quarians where idiots and if they arnt stupid enough to back down when I warn them the geth are getting upgraded well yeah...

[KingNothing125]

Quarians. I don't think I'll ever be entirely convinced that machines can obtain consciousness.

[G Kevin]

Aesieru wrote...

They can choose what to feel, and why to feel it, that is just like a Human.

Remember, organics are machines with bio-circuitry instead of mecha-circuitry.

Agreed, but my point is that organics are "naturally" made from chemicals while synthetics were artificially made to serve organics.

[ashwind]

-Legion was becoming very difficult totrust, because it stopped trusting Shepard. It sprung the Primes without telling anyone. It kept Reaper upgrades to itself. It decided the lives of all off-planet platforms were worth more than an entire race and culture.

OMG... when you put it that way... they Geth do seem despicable.

My, they have become practically human!

[G Kevin]

omgBAMF wrote...

AdmiralJacket wrote...

Quarians.
They can feel pain when they are hurt. They may not be as useful as the Geth, but I couldn't let an entire race of people die in a firestorm of bullets. Especially since there are children, mothers, fathers, and families aboard the civilian ships.

Even if it was the quarian's own ignorance of their creations that caused them to "die in a firestorm of bullets"?  Not to mention, the quarians themselves were the ones that put their  "children, mothers, fathers, and families" in harms way in the first place.

If I remember correctly, was it not one of the admirals decisions to attack the Geth when the majority of the Quarians opted against fighting the Geth?

[CB1024]

Wow... paralizing choice... might have turned the game off if that was the only choice. Legion is one of my favorite characters... Always trusted him. Quarians, other than Tali, were sketchy...
Hmmm.... Geth or Quarians... Geth! No, Quarians... Wait, Geth! uhhhh Quarians.

Dammmit... Cant choose... gonna go drink!

[spartan5127]

G Kevin wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

They can choose what to feel, and why to feel it, that is just like a Human.

Remember, organics are machines with bio-circuitry instead of mecha-circuitry.

Agreed, but my point is that organics are "naturally" made from chemicals while synthetics were artificially made to serve organics.

What makes natural automatically superior than artificial? Assuming that it is possible to create a being whose mind is like our own, or achieves the same thing as our own, why don't they have the same rights we ascribe to ourselves? This is just an argument against creating new beings to serve you and not an argument as to why these new beings (once created) are inherently of lesser moral status than ourselves.

[DPSSOC]

Geth. Refusing to acknowledge a mistake your people made 300 years ago is regrettable, failing to learn from it understandable, choosing to repeat it though is unacceptable. It speaks to the Quarians nature that they've chosen this path knowing full well it failed in the past and they are not any better off. If someone repeatedly picks fights they have no chance of winning you let them get what's coming to them.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I wonder how many of you pro-geth people chose the Destroy ending.

[KillerHappyFace]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

AdmiralJacket wrote...

Especially since there are children, mothers, fathers, and families aboard the civilian ships.

People tend to forget this. Mainly because the games never bring this point up. They seem to prefer to think of the quarians as some homogeneous group that all pushed for war and wish destruction on the geth. They don't consider that wiping out the quarians means killing millions of innocent children.

Exactly my reasoning for siding with the Quarians. The death of the Geth would all be on the Admirals -- the entire fleet was just following orders. It was explicitly stated in one of the missions that many of the Civilians disagreed with the war, but they were brought along anyways. The Quarians were also largely uninformed about the truth behind the Moring War and the nature of the Geth.

Now, the Geth were all perfectly well informed that not all Quarians hated their guts. In addition, not all of their race was at stake; there were a large number of servers and platforms planteside. Knowing this, Legion still decided to commit complete genocide. Every single Geth program would have been unified in this genocide.

Modifié par KillerHappyFace, 24 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[omgBAMF]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I wonder how many of you pro-geth people chose the Destroy ending.

I chose it with the headcannon that the starkid was full of BS and lying to me.

[FellishBeast]

Well I had to choose, since Tali was dead in my playthrough, and I chose Geth. I still would. They are at a pivotal moment in their development, truly becoming sapient, while the Quarians are the ones who started the whole thing. The Quarians chose their own fate anyways. All they had to do was stop firing at the Geth ships, but they couldn't overcome their hatred.

[J-Sheridan]

Geth:

Quarians are a self-doomed race through their own stupidity.
Make a mistake once: Fine
Twice: Moron
.... double digits: Quarians pay the price for their stupidity

The Strong survive and the weak shall perish.
Quarians are not fit to survive because they do not learn.

[Cuddlezarro]

omgBAMF wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I wonder how many of you pro-geth people chose the Destroy ending.

I chose it with the headcannon that the starkid was full of BS and lying to me.

considering starbrat also says shep would pretty much die in that ending and the fact people have gotten edi coming out of the damn normandy with said ending i think its easy to deduce that the brat was full of crap

(ps I picked green because if was my fav colour lol)

[G Kevin]

spartan5127 wrote...

What makes natural automatically superior than artificial? Assuming that it is possible to create a being whose mind is like our own, or achieves the same thing as our own, why don't they have the same rights we ascribe to ourselves? This is just an argument against creating new beings to serve you and not an argument as to why these new beings (once created) are inherently of lesser moral status than ourselves.

It does not make it automatically superior, that's not my point. Geth do function similarly to organics but.they think logically instead of emotionally. Let me reference "I, Robot" here.

In the movie, the main character, a police officer, is in a car accident and his vehicle, along with another, is pushed into a lake. The other car has a 12 year old child in it. A passing robot decides to help and chooses to save the main character than the 12 year old child. Why? Because the main character had a 43% chance for survival, but the child only had a 11% chance for survival. Later in the movie, the main character argues that a human being would know that 11% is more than enough to risk saving the child than him.

I guess a simpler way of putting that would be. I am an organic, I act and think like one. I will always support them over synthetics because they do not think like us.

[paxxton]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I wonder how many of you pro-geth people chose the Destroy ending.

I chose CONTROL because controlling the Reapers meant that the Mass Relay Network could be rebuilt. But I guess the Indoctrination Theory disproves my assertion.

[Twiggy]

Short version: Geth
   
Long version: The fact that some quarians are innocent is irrelevant. Their government chooses to attack the Geth instead of trying to negotiate. And they even get the civilian and agricultural fleets involved. The captains of every ship follow the admirals' orders to attack irrelevent of individual dissent. So....not innocent. Wheras the Geth only fight when forced to do so in self defence (or when rewritten). As for every Geth program being culpable for every Geth attack on the Quarians, I consider their shared consciousness more like shared cultural history. And despite their metaphorically bloody history with the Quarians, they show no animosity for their creators. I can't say the same for the Quarians. 

As the OP posted, all offers of diplomacy had to come from Shepard. The Geth never reponded to the Quarians with dipomacy. True. But neither did the Quarians make any diplomatic efforts. You don't respond to someone who has already hunted and killed your family and is holding a gun to your head by saying, "what can I do to make you change your mind?"  Well, I suppose you could respond that way. But your attempts at diplomacy would almost certainly be followed by your death. Assuming the gun toting family killer let you speak at all.

As for the question of Legion's loyalty, that was never an issue for me.    While I would obviously have preferred that Legion told me what was going on, I don't think it's wrong that Tali wants to protect her people despite the complications that causes in game, nor am I mistrustful of Wrex because he wants to fight for the krogan's survival. I don't keep tabs on any crew member's personal development choices or synthetic upgrades, so I figure Legion is pretty free to do what he likes to protect his people and to grow as a person. If you accept that the Geth are a 'people' (and I do) then Legion choosing to save his 'people' over another culture is pretty understandable. 

Forced into the position of choosing between the death of their people at the hands of the Quarians and an unsound alliance with the Reapers, the Geth chose the Reapers. Not shocking given the only other apparent option was the end of their culture and the death of all Geth. Nothing alive wants to die. No member of a codependent species wants to watch those close to them die. The threat of death can make pretty much anyone make bad decisions. As for the Reapers taking control of the Geth....indoctrination anyone? It's not like organics are immune to the mind wipe/control issues.

In the end the Quarians are more responsible for the continued conflict so - in my game, assuming I ever have to make a choice between them (which I probably won't) the Quarians would go down every time. Also Legion has Shepard's armour where his heart should be, which I kind of dig.

[jspiess]

DPSSOC wrote...

Geth. Refusing to acknowledge a mistake your people made 300 years ago is regrettable, failing to learn from it understandable, choosing to repeat it though is unacceptable. It speaks to the Quarians nature that they've chosen this path knowing full well it failed in the past and they are not any better off. If someone repeatedly picks fights they have no chance of winning you let them get what's coming to them.

and they fired on me because the ship was powered down