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[Theta Thetis]

"Ashley wasn't racist (As far as I know each Alien species has only got
one race), she was Xenophobic towards anything non-human and felt humans
were superior."

If I need to post the wikipedia definition of racism here, I will, though in good faith, I'll assume that you know what the word means.

Your grasp on both words is painfully limited

Saying that she was xenophobic, and then going on to say that she was racist contradicts your original statement of "Ashley wasn't racist"

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

[JBPBRC]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

And arguably psycho as well, depending on how well you treat her for her treatment on you about Cerberus.

[Reikilea]

JBPBRC wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

And arguably psycho as well, depending on how well you treat her for her treatment on you about Cerberus.

Yeah I hated when they did that. I was reffering to her in a first game. She was beautifull in the first game. Now she is just meh - something made to be Miranda rival, so Shepard would go back to her, now she looks as a 'proper' woman. 

[JBPBRC]

Reikilea wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

And arguably psycho as well, depending on how well you treat her for her treatment on you about Cerberus.

Yeah I hated when they did that. I was reffering to her in a first game. She was beautifull in the first game. Now she is just meh - something made to be Miranda rival, so Shepard would go back to her, now she looks as a 'proper' woman. 

Which is hilarious, considering how much of a presence Miranda has in the game.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Reikilea wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

And arguably psycho as well, depending on how well you treat her for her treatment on you about Cerberus.

Yeah I hated when they did that. I was reffering to her in a first game. She was beautifull in the first game. Now she is just meh - something made to be Miranda rival, so Shepard would go back to her, now she looks as a 'proper' woman. 

What's funny to me is that I actually find Ashley and Miranda the two least attractive female LIs. Well, unless you count Kelly and Allers; which I don't...

[Luviagelita]

Wrex is not a racist at all O_O. he stands for his own race but doesen't treat others like animals.
Javik is a child of his own civilisation and didn't see anything but war in his life.
Ashley? That girl who thinks "aliens like animals"?

[Erield]

JBPBRC wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

And arguably psycho as well, depending on how well you treat her for her treatment on you about Cerberus.

Wait.  Seriously?  "Arguably?"  No.  She's straight up bat-**** crazy.  I can barely fart without her demanding to know about how I'm working for Cerberus.

[JBPBRC]

Erield wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

And arguably psycho as well, depending on how well you treat her for her treatment on you about Cerberus.

Wait.  Seriously?  "Arguably?"  No.  She's straight up bat-**** crazy.  I can barely fart without her demanding to know about how I'm working for Cerberus.

Well...yeah. I threw the caveat in there to fend off any die-hards.

[SirCroft]

Erield wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Being normal human (and not overly sexualised or psycho) in this game makes you boring.

As of ME3, Ashley is overly sexualized.

And arguably psycho as well, depending on how well you treat her for her treatment on you about Cerberus.

Wait.  Seriously?  "Arguably?"  No.  She's straight up bat-**** crazy.  I can barely fart without her demanding to know about how I'm working for Cerberus.

lol So true.

[dreman9999]

demin8891 wrote...

'Case Wrex and Javik have a hilarious, dry sense of humor. That's their "Saving the cat" trait. They're douchebags, yeah, but there's an endearing quality that makes you like them nonetheless.

 

[akenn312]

What does Ashley do in Mass Effect 2 or Mass Effect 3 that is in any way racist? Sure in Mass Effect she was xenophobic but being on Shepard's crew obviously helped her improve that outlook. To put things in real perspective here on racisim, Cerberus would be considered the racists in the Mass Effect universe; Javik, Wrex and Ashley would be considered the minor xenophobes that learned that their outlooks are wrong after working with others on the crew.

Cerberus captures and tortures aliens without remorse and thinks humanity is far superior to any alien race. Cerberus would be considered the skinheads of the galaxy they recruit people two ways, by feeding into their racist views against  aliens or by fooling people who aren't racist into thinking they are joining a place where they can belong and do some good for humanity like Miranda & Jacob.

Ashely hates Cerberus, a racist would think Cerberus was a great idea, she was shocked and disgusted that Shepard and Garrus would be working for them, thinks of Tali as her little sister and went to comfort Liara after the fall of Thessia. Racists don't do things like that.

Also she almost gives her/did give her life (depending how you played it) to protect the council by going against Shepard who she thinks is with Cerberus...remember the council is mostly full of aliens. A racist would never give their life for an alien. They would be trying to kill the council.

From someone to go from slight prejudice to friends with Talli, Liara, Wrex and Garrus  and to hate Cerberus that much is a huge jump to becoming more alien friendly than not. 

Ashley, Wrex, Javik and also Jacob and Miranda made a huge jump from xenophobes to singing kumbaya with the galaxy.

Modifié par akenn312, 28 mai 2012 - 02:23 .

[JBPBRC]

akenn312 wrote...

What does Ashley do in Mass Effect 2 or Mass Effect 3 that is in any way racist? Sure in Mass Effect she was xenophobic

Hard to say really, Ashley (or Kaidan) were barely in Mass Effect 2 and 3.

[Oni Changas]

Wrex and Javik aren't racist in the least. Why the hell are we conceding that the OP has a point that isn't even proven?

Javik woke up to see all the primitive "younger" races have grown to be the leaders of the current cycle. He doesn't hate them at all, and early on states that the current cycle is amusing at worst. He's just blunt in his speech.

Wrex has a damn good reason to not trust salarians and turians; they sterilized his people and tend to think lesser of krogan, humans, and non-citadel species.

Kai Leng and TIM are racist.
The dalatross is racist.

[Saremei]

The "Ashley is a racist" crowd always just pisses me off. But I find it far worse when someone hates on her for having religious beliefs. That is just intolerance and outright idiocy.

[BatmanPWNS]

She's human. That's the rules here. Human = Suck. Alien = beyond criticism. Kind of the reason even Garrus is popular. If he was human, I bet no one would give a give a damn and if Jacob was alien, everyone would call him interesting.

Plus Javik supports slavery, believes that the strongest must live and wants Legion dead, Ash just makes rude comments about aliens. Yet people jump down Ash's throat and just love Javik for it.

[Vigilant111]

Wrex/Javik = endangered species

[Baine10]

Ashley is whiny,
The Aliens you speak of make great jokes, like how your friends make racist jokes sometimes but everyone laughs along.

[II JazB x]

ASHLEY is amazing -.-

But I do detest the appearance change between games, she was just much hotter in ME 1 than ME 3.

[HellbirdIV]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

So if people hate Ashley because they think she's "racist", then why do they like Wrex and Javik?

Because Wrex and Javik had other traits that made them likable.

Ashley had other traits... that made her less likable.. The unwarranted racism is just one of many reasons I hate her, the others being her general attitude towards everyone regardless of species, her pretentious poetry quoting, her serious inferiority complex, her boring "I'm a tough independent woman!" personality (As much as I didn't like Miranda and Jack, at least they were believably tough women.)

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 28 mai 2012 - 03:23 .

[ghost9191]

i thought it was more of a distrust of aliens, not a hate. She isn't pro human or whatever . But i wouldn't go as far as xenophobe or racist. I mean with her families past she was probably brought up a certain way, or blamed aliens

[II JazB x]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

So if people hate Ashley because they think she's "racist", then why do they like Wrex and Javik?

Because Wrex and Javik had other traits that made them likable.

Ashley had other traits... that made her less likable.. The unwarranted racism is just one of many reasons I hate her, the others being her general attitude towards everyone regardless of species, her pretentious poetry quoting, her serious inferiority complex, her boring "I'm a tough independent woman!" personality (As much as I didn't like Miranda and Jack, at least they were believably tough women.)

Not entirely unwarranted. Her entire family has had to bare the shame of their Grandad (General Williams) losing Shanxi. Wasn't his fault really but us humans love a scapegoat. That shame led to her father having to literally scrounge a career in the navy, and all of them being looked over, all due to those 'damn Turians'. So I can see why she is a bit racist.

[Aiyie]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She's human. That's the rules here. Human = Suck. Alien = beyond criticism. Kind of the reason even Garrus is popular. If he was human, I bet no one would give a give a damn and if Jacob was alien, everyone would call him interesting.

Plus Javik supports slavery, believes that the strongest must live and wants Legion dead, Ash just makes rude comments about aliens. Yet people jump down Ash's throat and just love Javik for it.

this.

there's a double standard here... we're biased towards our own.

when Wrex or Javik come off in a certain light, we rationalize it, but when a human character does the same thing... it hits a bit too close to home for comfort.

[MegaSovereign]

For starters, javik and wrex are both hilarious. Ashley is just annoying.

The other thing is that Javik and Wrex actually have a reason to be racist. Genophage/Genocide of their people makes them more bitter towards other races. Ashley seems to be racist for unknown reasons.

Also, Javik/Wrex actually undergo character development. Wrex hates anything alien at the beginning of ME1, but at the end of ME3 he is far more level-headed and trusting of aliens. When you first meet Javik, he laughed at the notion of this cycle having shared power and being a united force but by the end of the game he starts to admire that concept and has faith in Shepard and the rest of the galaxy. Ashley? No real character development.

[mango smoothie]

Simple Javik and Wrex aren't human.