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[legion999]

Javik and Wrex are both jaded to me. They've both experienced a lot so their humor is dry and sometimes rather dark or even outright trolling.

Ashley on the other hand. I dislike her. Not for being wary of aliens but for being such a boshtet.
"Wah you made a decision I don't like I'll never forget it!". Also she wanted the Reapers to win if you aren't nice to her.

[Catamantaloedis]

DevilBeast 
I never really understood the whole "being an animal = bad", cause technically humans are animals too.

Krogan aren't people, but are a threat to people everywhere.

[NoUserNameHere]

legion999 wrote...

Javik and Wrex are both jaded to me. They've both experienced a lot so their humor is dry and sometimes rather dark or even outright trolling.

Ashley on the other hand. I dislike her. Not for being wary of aliens but for being such a boshtet.
"Wah you made a decision I don't like I'll never forget it!". Also she wanted the Reapers to win if you aren't nice to her.

I think Kaiden wishes death on you if you're mean to him, too. 

Modifié par NoUserNameHere, 28 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[neoskeptic2]

I don't have Javik's DLC, but I like Wrex because even when the galaxy has basically screwed his race over and he was personally betrayed by his father, he dealt with it and moved on. Somewhere along the way he and Garrus both turned into real bros for Shepard though Garrus has more issues he hasn't dealt with.

I don't hate ashley, but both your human squadmates (Kaidan and Ash) both have unresolved issues that make them come off as whiney, paranoid, and indecisive idiots.

And the new one (whose name I can't even recall right now) has the personality of a cardboard box.

[TeffexPope]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Yeah i'm opening up this can of worms again. Now before you start making up excuses for Wrex and Javik, lemme ask you this. If I hate the British as a whole, for the crap that went down 300 years ago, would you make up excuses for me? There really is no real excuse out there for hating an entire race based on the actions of a few. Ashley had trust issues with other aliens but eventually grew out of it and trusted them as allies.

But then you've got Wrex who just openly insult Salarians and Turians in front of them, even go as far as joking about eating them. Then you've got Javik who just straight out trolls people. Not to mention there are other characters in the game that have made statements about trusting other aliens and what not. So why is Ashley the exception? Because she's human?

I don't know why it took me this long to notice this.

A great point. Certain people despise the destroy ending for killing off all the geth, but some of those same people like Javik and don't seem to care that he'd gladly do the same JUST to kill off all geth.

[legion999]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Javik and Wrex are both jaded to me. They've both experienced a lot so their humor is dry and sometimes rather dark or even outright trolling.

Ashley on the other hand. I dislike her. Not for being wary of aliens but for being such a boshtet.
"Wah you made a decision I don't like I'll never forget it!". Also she wanted the Reapers to win if you aren't nice to her.

I think Kaiden wishes death on you if you're mean to him, too. 

I thought he says he had to because he couldn't let an 'innocent man' dies or something similar.

[linkblade0]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Synthetics will seek the destruction of all organic life. The catalyst himself says so.

Krogan are unable to control their breeding, are obsessed with killing, and lack higher brain functioning that humans, Asari, and other civilized races posses. They are animals. However, they are the most dangerous animals in the galaxy and therefore must be destroyed.

Go away reaper, we weren't asking you <_<

Just teasing, and I would point out that that line of thinking is actually very racist in and of itself. 

Using your logic, we have this one figure that is head of all the reapers, he says synthetics will inevitably destroy organics so we must stop this my mass murder.  You're quoting this as absolute truth.  Not even considering the MANY times in game where the geth said they dont want war against the quarians.. They just want to exist. This is the exact line of thinking and rationalization that fueled the Crusades and WWII.  On figure, who is in a position of power says something is this way, now all must follow it.

Same as Krogan, you are classifying all Krogan under a generalization/stereotype.... Despite the fact that we have seen multiple Krogan who aren't interested in endless destruction..  You also consider them beneath us humans for 'lacking higher brain functions.'  That sir, is the exact definition of a racist.

Modifié par linkblade0, 28 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[GenericEnemy]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Javik and Wrex are both jaded to me. They've both experienced a lot so their humor is dry and sometimes rather dark or even outright trolling.

Ashley on the other hand. I dislike her. Not for being wary of aliens but for being such a boshtet.
"Wah you made a decision I don't like I'll never forget it!". Also she wanted the Reapers to win if you aren't nice to her.

I think Kaiden wishes death on you if you're mean to him, too. 

Nope. Kaidan just says: "Man...couldn't defend himself." 

[Made Nightwing]

Because:

1) Most people are bigots who despise religiosity.
2) Most people have fragile egos.
3) Most people seem to think that it's perfectly fine to drop all security measures and military practicality just because a bunch of aliens 'seem' trustworthy.

[Catamantaloedis]

linkblade0 wrote...

1. You're lack of knowledge of history is disturbing but not surprising. The Crusades were a result of Muslim invaders conquering Christian lands, and WWII was the result of the Germans' perceived sense of humiliation resulting from the demands placed upon them following th Great War and the war guilt clause. Neither are relatable to what the Catalyst says  because it has presumably been around for billions of years and has seen synthetics destroy organics thousands of times. He is as reliable a source for information as possible.

2. All Kroganare only concerned with two things: killing and breeding. It's all they know. It's the motivation of their entire species. And the latter leads to the former. If Krogan breed unrestrained, then their overpopulation will lead them to seek new colonies, interfering with the interests of other races. Thus the genophage must be retained or the Krogan must be destroyed.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 29 mai 2012 - 12:54 .

[Made Nightwing]

@Cat. Finally. As a military historian, it's irritating when people don't realise that the Crusades were a reactive and systematic military campaign designed to keep Europe's borders secured. It's thought that the setbacks that the more expansionist Islam powers (note, their expansionism had nothing to do with their religion and everything to do with imperial ambitions) received in the Middle East delayed their invasion of Europe by several hundred years.

[Reorte]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

iakus wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Javik is such a jerk and troll that he's entertaining. He would be scum if you had to put up with him in real life.

Wrex gives the impression that he's not entirely serious whenever he says anything that sounds somewhat racist. He'll happily live up to a lot of krogan stereotypes but in reality will happily get along with anyone and in reality judges them by deeds, not origins.

Ashley is simply closed-minded. Her dog analogy was especially glaring - I wouldn't throw an alien to a bear not because it's not the same species as me but because it's another sentient being. I could accept the rest of her opinions, which usually sound suspicious but not overtly so, if it wasn't for that. And the fact that she's a miserable, pessimistic, hates and distrusts everyone type of character makes her rather too close to me!

You realize the bear and the dog analogy played out in-game right?

Battle of the Citadel, do you let the Destiny Ascension get destroyed by the geth while 5th Fleet focused on Sovereign?

Geth=bear destiny Ascension=dog

And again in ME3:

The Reapers came, and the Council was willing to throw Earth at them while they got ready to defend their own borders.

When the chips were down, the other races looked to themselves first.  That's all the analogy means.  It's not rqacism, it's self-interest.

If you think Ashley's a hateful person, you haven't spoken to her much.  Pessimistic, yeah, hateful not so much.

This.

Replace "aliens" with "offspring" and I bet 90+% of the people here wouldn't even question the anaolgy. Or do most people in a "one lives, one dies situation" choose some stranger's kid above their own?

The "Bear - dog" thing most definitely is not played out in the Battle of the Citadel. People made that decision based on the fact that they might've thought that the Council were a bunch of useless idiots, or because they decided that helping them was good politically, or that saving the Destiny Ascension was a sound tactical move (all friendly ships in the battle instead of some hanging back would give better overall chance of a victory with fewer friendly losses). I doubt many people would've acted differently had the Council been human but otherwise behaved exactly the same.

I don't see offspring being remotely comparable. People will of course save their loved ones because they've got an emotional connection with them. If you'd hooked up with an asari and had an asari kid that's probably the one that you'll save no matter the species of the other person. If you don't know anything about either you'd happily shove the alien into the bear's mouth? I doubt it. Species would be irrelevent in that case to any decent person because they'd just see them all as people, in the same way as race is in the real world. Replace "alien" and "dog" with "foreigner" and you'll hopefully realise how unpleasant her argument is.

I might leave a krogan behind on the assumption that he'd stand a good chance against the bear anyway :happy:

[knightnblu]

BioWare screwed over Ashley. They began with a tough NCO who worked her guts out to excel and took her duties to the Alliance and her men seriously. When she met Shepard, he was something different. She expressed an interest and the spark took hold and kindled a romantic flame. Unfortunately, that woman was dead by ME2.
 
In ME2 we meet a young woman who has moved up in rank, but distrusts Shepard with every fiber of her being. She calls him a traitor to his face and then stalks off. When ME3 rolls around we find out that she has not contacted him since the tepid email that she sent after Horizon. Six months without a single word or even inquiry regarding him. She even refused Admiral Anderson's request for her to go and see him, such is her disdain for him.
 
Then all of a sudden Shepard and Williams find themselves in the uncomfortable position of being ship mates once again. That is until the Cerberus android nearly crushes her skull on Mars. Girlfriend pulls through and is made a Spectre with Shepard's support and she aims her sidearm at his head with her finger on the trigger as a thank you. After somehow managing to talk psycho babe down, you save the Council one more time to Williams chagrin.
 
Who is the Williams that we get in ME3, because it sure as hell isn't the woman we met in ME. Tali is pretty much the same, so is Liara, but Williams? Not so much. I have seen every excuse in the book for Williams' bizarre behavior. The apologists are legion in fact, but apologizing and excusing and licking her backside like a little lamb doesn't change the fact that she is bat guano crazy.
 
That is why I have less than no use for Lt. Cmdr. Williams. Was her comment about not being able to tell the aliens from the animals racist? Sure it was, and I don't buy for a second that it was a "mistake" in dialog. That was just the excuse when the word "racism" popped up. But just as Pressley worked through his bout of racism, so to did Williams. So in the final analysis Williams is no longer racist, she's just psychotic.
 
That's why I send her to Admiral Hackett. Perhaps with him she can finally receive the help that she so desperately needs. Plus he has armed security with him 24/7 if she returns to the "pull a gun on a superior officer" meme again.
 
Cute, but psycho is definitely her flavor.

[EnvyTB075]

Wrex's race has been utterly dominated by 3 others for the past how many years? I'd say his "racism" is justified as he hardly means anything by it. Javik actually tries to make some headway towards the end of ME3. That and take into account cultural differences, and the fact that they'll work with you regardless without wanting to shove every human off the ship.

Ashley is just another Terra Firma goop whos been on the galactic scene for 30 years and expected to be treated as though they're special, which is the root of her superiority complex, and hence why people hate that brand of racism. She'd rather throw them off the ship.

Reorte wrote...
I doubt it. Species
would be irrelevent in that case to any decent person because they'd
just see them all as people, in the same way as race is in the real
world. Replace "alien" and "dog" with "foreigner" and you'll hopefully
realise how unpleasant her argument is.

This, a thousand times this. Hell i wish there was a dialogue option where you could shout at her for being so damned close minded.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 29 mai 2012 - 01:16 .

[Varus Praetor]

Wrex is a personal victim of semi-genocidal bio-engineered plague designed by the Salarians and implemented by the Turians. What's more, it wasn't "a few" of each race that did that to them. It was their government and in the centuries since then, they still view it as the correct choice (a majority at least). Wrex has a reason to hate Salarians and Turians. Sometimes hate is justified.

Javik's imperialist attitude isn't an endearing quality, but there is at least logic behind his views. Survival of the fittest and extreme evolutionary focus. I don't necessarily agree, but there is at least some thought process behind it.

Ashley just comes off as a run of the mill, stupid racist. There's no real reason for why she hates them and she doesn't offer any. Their being different is apparently reason enough.

[Iakus]

[quote]Reorte wrote...

The "Bear - dog" thing most definitely is not played out in the Battle of the Citadel. People made that decision based on the fact that they might've thought that the Council were a bunch of useless idiots, or because they decided that helping them was good politically, or that saving the Destiny Ascension was a sound tactical move (all friendly ships in the battle instead of some hanging back would give better overall chance of a victory with fewer friendly losses). I doubt many people would've acted differently had the Council been human but otherwise behaved exactly the same.[/quote]

It's in how Hackett presented it:  If they save the Ascension they may not have enough firepower to deal with Sovereign.  you're putting human lives, and maybe the galaxy itself, at risk to save the Council.Just like in the bear-dog analogy.  Sic the dog on the bear knowing it'll die so you have a better chance of survival.

[/quote]

[Iakus]

knightnblu wrote...
 
In ME2 we meet a young woman who has moved up in rank, but distrusts Shepard with every fiber of her being. She calls him a traitor to his face and then stalks off. When ME3 rolls around we find out that she has not contacted him since the tepid email that she sent after Horizon. Six months without a single word or even inquiry regarding him. She even refused Admiral Anderson's request for her to go and see him, such is her disdain for him.


Then all of a sudden Shepard and Williams find themselves in the uncomfortable position of being ship mates once again. That is until the Cerberus android nearly crushes her skull on Mars. Girlfriend pulls through and is made a Spectre with Shepard's support and she aims her sidearm at his head with her finger on the trigger as a thank you. After somehow managing to talk psycho babe down, you save the Council one more time to Williams chagrin.

While I hated teh "traitor" part on Horizon as much as anyone, I found her suspicion on Mars to be far, far better handled.  SHe clearly isn't certain that the Shepard in front of her is the same Shepard she knew in ME1.  I find that totally understandable, given Cerberus' penchant for mad science.

And I found that as long as I showed a little patience with her and treated her nicely, she wasn't "psycho" in the standoff at all.  She actually puts up her weapon when she first sees Shepard, and doesn't take up a defensive position (point weapon at SHepard and interpose herself between Shep and the Council.) until Udina cries "Cerberus." That's the only part that seemed somewhat odd to me.   And one dialogue option completely solidifies her loyalty to Shepard.
 

Who is the Williams that we get in ME3, because it sure as hell isn't the woman we met in ME. Tali is pretty much the same, so is Liara, but Williams? Not so much. I have seen every excuse in the book for Williams' bizarre behavior. The apologists are legion in fact, but apologizing and excusing and licking her backside like a little lamb doesn't change the fact that she is bat guano crazy.

Guess I'm an apologist then.  My only problems with ehr are 1) her outfit, I despise it. and 2) she pretty much goes mute after joining your crew.
 

That is why I have less than no use for Lt. Cmdr. Williams. Was her comment about not being able to tell the aliens from the animals racist? Sure it was, and I don't buy for a second that it was a "mistake" in dialog. That was just the excuse when the word "racism" popped up. But just as Pressley worked through his bout of racism, so to did Williams. So in the final analysis Williams is no longer racist, she's just psychotic.

Does anyone have the quote from her original writer explaining the "aliens from the animals" quote and the bear-dog analogy?  

[Lyrebon]

The problem with Ashley's "dog-bear" analogy is that she compares every alien race to an inferior intelligence we keep as pets, that lick their balls and pant/yap emphatically whenever "walkies" is mentioned.

moater boat wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

moater boat wrote...

People hate Ashley because she is religious. They just can't admit it because doing so would be mean they admit to being a bigot.

You're an idiot.

No, I'm actually smart, like, REALLY smart, but that is beside the point. If you want to think that NO ONE dislikes Ashley because of her religious beliefs, go ahead and think that, but it isn't true. Some people do hate her because of her beliefs. That's how some poeple think.

The way those sentences read imply an absolution, as though you're generlizing everyone who dislikes Ash. Go back and read what you put; you can't be that smart if you can't extrapolate the semantics of your own syntax.

I don't think that at all because, again, your wording needs clarification. " Some people do hate her because of her beliefs." Wouldn't that have been better in your first post? Maybe then I wouldn't have called you an idiot because I agree with that.

moater boat wrote...

Bad King wrote...

moater boat wrote...

People
hate Ashley because she is religious. They just can't admit it because 
doing so would be mean they admit to being a bigot.

That
contradicts the fact that other religious characters like Thane and 
Padok Wiks (for those who've heard of him) are generally well liked by 
the BSN community.

I can't speak for Padok Wiks, but Thane's religion is viewed was made up by Bioware, it doesn't represent a real view held by billions of people. As such, people do not have the hostility or fear towards it that they do towards religions that people practice in real life.

Actually, it's somewhat similar to Buddhism and Hinduism in the belief that when a person dies their soul is disconnected from their body and then joined in rebirth to become "whole" again (samsara).

And polytheistic religions exist everywhere and have existed in the past, having significant impact that even today everyone who read a grade-school book knows who Zeus is. The Indo-European pantheons are some of the most popular mythologies quoted today and have a lot of influence in literature.

Anyone with a problem in theism can adapt their prejudice to any religion.

Modifié par Lyrebon, 29 mai 2012 - 02:27 .

[MegaBadExample]

legion999 wrote...

Javik and Wrex are both jaded to me. They've both experienced a lot so their humor is dry and sometimes rather dark or even outright trolling.

Ashley on the other hand. I dislike her. Not for being wary of aliens but for being such a boshtet.
"Wah you made a decision I don't like I'll never forget it!". Also she wanted the Reapers to win if you aren't nice to her.

Oh, lord.

She didn't say she wanted the reapers to win, she said she wanted the reapers to send Shepard to hell. Besides, you have to be a complete jerk to get that response. Basically, a comrade almost dies on your watch and you don't pay them a visit to even try and clear up the air, or explain some things to her?

If you don't talk things out with her in the hospital, Ashley doesn't believe it's the same Shepard.

Yes, she says: "I hope the reapers send you to hell..."

But hello? You just shot her?

[Foxhound2121]

Wrex says things about salarians and turians because they did horrible things to his race and people. Javik says things because he was there while you were eating bananas.

Ashley watched something on television or some hate-mongering broadcast and now she hates aliens.

A real intelligent person wouldn't generalize like she does. If she had real worries about aliens and the security of the ship, she would go talk to Garrus herself or Tali and find out if they are the type of person she is willing to trust on her ship. No, instead she just hates them all. She is blinded by her own convictions and is unwilling to investigate any doubt in them. In her mind, she is too important to believe she could be wrong or that there might be aliens worth trusting.

She is a very close-minded person with really idiotic opinions. Even as a religious person, I would have to say I find her extremely disgusting.

This actually falls right in line with her character since she does it once again in ME2 and 3 where she instantly distrusts shepard, doesn't bother to investigate whether it really is shepard, and flips him/her the bird. Takes this into consideration that someone like Admiral Hacket investigates and has no qualms with trusting Shepard during Arrival.

[Tazzmission]

i dont think of javik as a racist. if anything hes more of a cocky guy who thinks hes more smarter than anybody around him

i love javik

[Iakus]

Lyrebon wrote...

The problem with Ashley's "dog-bear" analogy is that she compares every alien race to an inferior intelligence we keep as pets, that lick their balls and pant/yap emphatically whenever "walkies" is mentioned.

I've been a dog owner almost my entire life.  I know the bond one can have with their dog.  They grow to be more than a pet, they're a companion.  Screw intelligence.


But despite that bond, most people would probably sacrifice their dog to save themselves.  It would tear them up inside, but it's simple survival.  That's the point of the analogy.  Not that humans are smarter than dogs.

Particularly since when Ashley gives teh analogy, humans are the dog.  the Council is the human.  A lot of people seem to miss that detail 

[alsonamedbort]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Ashley watched something on television or some hate-mongering broadcast and now she hates aliens.

Foxhound2121 wrote...

A real intelligent person wouldn't generalize like she does.

There's irony afoot.

[Made Nightwing]

knightnblu wrote...

BioWare screwed over Ashley. They began with a tough NCO who worked her guts out to excel and took her duties to the Alliance and her men seriously. When she met Shepard, he was something different. She expressed an interest and the spark took hold and kindled a romantic flame. Unfortunately, that woman was dead by ME2.
 
In ME2 we meet a young woman who has moved up in rank, but distrusts Shepard with every fiber of her being. She calls him a traitor to his face and then stalks off. When ME3 rolls around we find out that she has not contacted him since the tepid email that she sent after Horizon. Six months without a single word or even inquiry regarding him. She even refused Admiral Anderson's request for her to go and see him, such is her disdain for him.
 
Then all of a sudden Shepard and Williams find themselves in the uncomfortable position of being ship mates once again. That is until the Cerberus android nearly crushes her skull on Mars. Girlfriend pulls through and is made a Spectre with Shepard's support and she aims her sidearm at his head with her finger on the trigger as a thank you. After somehow managing to talk psycho babe down, you save the Council one more time to Williams chagrin.
 
Who is the Williams that we get in ME3, because it sure as hell isn't the woman we met in ME. Tali is pretty much the same, so is Liara, but Williams? Not so much. I have seen every excuse in the book for Williams' bizarre behavior. The apologists are legion in fact, but apologizing and excusing and licking her backside like a little lamb doesn't change the fact that she is bat guano crazy.
 
That is why I have less than no use for Lt. Cmdr. Williams. Was her comment about not being able to tell the aliens from the animals racist? Sure it was, and I don't buy for a second that it was a "mistake" in dialog. That was just the excuse when the word "racism" popped up. But just as Pressley worked through his bout of racism, so to did Williams. So in the final analysis Williams is no longer racist, she's just psychotic.
 
That's why I send her to Admiral Hackett. Perhaps with him she can finally receive the help that she so desperately needs. Plus he has armed security with him 24/7 if she returns to the "pull a gun on a superior officer" meme again.
 
Cute, but psycho is definitely her flavor.

She distrusts the fact that Shepard is working for a TERRORIST ORGANISATION! What part of this are you not getting? Yes, she calls him a traitor, BECAUSE HE TURNED HIS COAT! It doesn't matter what headcanon you have cooked up. Shepard swore and oath to the Alliance, an oath that continued to apply even after resurrection. Now, some interpret that loyalty to humanity and the galaxy means more, but that doesn't change the fact that he did betray what he previously stood for.

I'm going to have to ask you to source the part where Anderson told her to go see Shepard.

Shepard's support is completely optional. He can even diss her to her face and to Udina. She also shoves Liara out of the way to face EVA, rather than shoving Liara toward EVA to buy herself more time, like a pragmatic soldier should have done.

She was never going to shoot. If she was going to shoot, she would have pulled the trigger when Shepard stepped forward, like a pragmatic soldier would have done to a suspected enemy combatant who appeared out of nowhere and was pointing a weapon at one of the people she's been keeping alive despite waves of assassin's hot on her trail. You'll notice that while she hesitates with Shepard, she does not hesitate with Udina. Kind of shows who she trusts more, doesn't it?

None of the characters in ME3 are the ones we met in ME1. Garrus has gone from being a loose cannon cop, to a cold vigilante, to a man who accepts his responsibilities. Wrex has gone from being a mercenary who just doesn't care anymore, to the leader of the krogan race. Liara has gone from being a sweet and innocent kid to being a cold-hearted information broker who has no hesitation in killing anyone who gets in her way. Tali...well, Tali just grew up. Ash had to deal with Cerberus for the two years that Shepard was dead, humans who she thought she could trust turn against the Alliance for an extreme cause. That'd embitter anyone. Forgive me if my ego is a little less fragile than that of a twelve year old girl, and my introspection levels are above that of a toddler.

Ash is nationalist, not racist, hence her reasoning for humanity looking out for itself. Is she unfamiliar with the galaxy? Sure. You may have noticed that she's been stuck on backwater assignments for her whole career. Not much reason to get ****y at her.

You see, there's the difference between Hackett and Shepard. Hackett's pragmatic, ruthless and not above a little dirty work to get the job done. He never jumped ship like Shepard.

[MegaBadExample]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Wrex says things about salarians and turians because they did horrible things to his race and people. Javik says things because he was there while you were eating bananas.

Ashley watched something on television or some hate-mongering broadcast and now she hates aliens.

A real intelligent person wouldn't generalize like she does. If she had real worries about aliens and the security of the ship, she would go talk to Garrus herself or Tali and find out if they are the type of person she is willing to trust on her ship. No, instead she just hates them all. She is blinded by her own convictions and is unwilling to investigate any doubt in them. In her mind, she is too important to believe she could be wrong or that there might be aliens worth trusting.

She is a very close-minded person with really idiotic opinions. Even as a religious person, I would have to say I find her extremely disgusting.

This actually falls right in line with her character since she does it once again in ME2 and 3 where she instantly distrusts shepard, doesn't bother to investigate whether it really is shepard, and flips him/her the bird. Takes this into consideration that someone like Admiral Hacket investigates and has no qualms with trusting Shepard during Arrival.

You're forgetting about what happened to her grandfather who basically got shamed publicly in front of every single human being of that time. People are still going on about that ordeal two generations later. Ashley and father have been steadily abused by the public and have both worked their asses off for the Alliance but were never allowed to climb the ranks like other regular marines.

Ashley doesn't hate aliens. She mistrusts the random "aliens" Shepard picked off the street which she's just supposed to trust? Wrex even threatens Shepard before joining! She's well within her rights to be concerned about these people watching her back in a fight. It's completely idiotic when you stand back and look at it.

Eventually Ashley learns to trusts Tali and Garrus ect. Which is natural when you fight side-by-side with someone.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 29 mai 2012 - 03:10 .