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[SirBob1613]

I love when Ashley rejects you in mass effect 2 romanced or not. I find it sad she can't trust you but garrus and tali could.
Because they didnt trust cerberus they trusted Shepard. That is why i don't like ashley or kaiden they don't trust shepard.

Modifié par SirBob1613, 30 mai 2012 - 01:33 .

[SirBob1613]

Dang double post i blame the star child

Modifié par SirBob1613, 30 mai 2012 - 12:14 .

[Shallyah]

I've grown to like Ash over the series. I can't see her as a working romance option, but in ME3 I thought she played a kind of "Shep''s lil sis has come of age" role that felt very appropriate and compelling.

I still can't forget when you take her to the Citadel in ME1 and she makes horrible comments like "I can't tell the animals from the aliens.", but she evolved over time and while she might have some way to go yet, she's become much more likeable.

Plus I love her quotations on victorian poetry.

Modifié par Shallyah, 30 mai 2012 - 12:23 .

[Cyne]

Ashley from ME1 is one of the better written characters, complex and funny, with a clearly defined back story. She changed a lot in ME3, to the point where it could scarcely be called the same character.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Gartives wrote...

To be honest I think that a lot of people don't like Ashley because she is a realistic character. She has strong personality and her own opinions and beliefs. If you think she is bad written, don't you know any people who are similar to her in a real life? What's more, Ashley likes poems(!), maybe it is not so trendy these times to read poems, so some people can see it as a huge disadvantage or find it boring (as I read somewhere on BSN), but I like Thennyson too;).

That about sums up why I dislike her. Ashley has a bland backstory; she's a marine who career-wise hasn't done anything. I could never meet a sterilized krogan trying to revive his people in real life; Ashley OTOH is painfully realistic.

[Cyne]

SirBob1613 wrote...

I love when Ashley rejects you in mass effect 2 romanced or not. I find it said she can't trust you but garrus and tali could.
Because they didnt trust cerberus they trusted Shepard. That is why i don't like ashley or kaiden they don't trust shepard.

They're also human though, and they were Alliance soldiers first, Shepard's crew second. They probably believed Shepard was Alliance first, Commander second. To find out that wasn't true must have been a slap in the face.

[DirtySHISN0]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Gartives wrote...

To be honest I think that a lot of people don't like Ashley because she is a realistic character. She has strong personality and her own opinions and beliefs. If you think she is bad written, don't you know any people who are similar to her in a real life? What's more, Ashley likes poems(!), maybe it is not so trendy these times to read poems, so some people can see it as a huge disadvantage or find it boring (as I read somewhere on BSN), but I like Thennyson too;).

That about sums up why I dislike her. Ashley has a bland backstory; she's a marine who career-wise hasn't done anything. I could never meet a sterilized krogan trying to revive his people in real life; Ashley OTOH is painfully realistic.

I like this human, he gets it.

I dislike her for everything she isn't.

[Iakus]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Gartives wrote...

To be honest I think that a lot of people don't like Ashley because she is a realistic character. She has strong personality and her own opinions and beliefs. If you think she is bad written, don't you know any people who are similar to her in a real life? What's more, Ashley likes poems(!), maybe it is not so trendy these times to read poems, so some people can see it as a huge disadvantage or find it boring (as I read somewhere on BSN), but I like Thennyson too;).

That about sums up why I dislike her. Ashley has a bland backstory; she's a marine who career-wise hasn't done anything. I could never meet a sterilized krogan trying to revive his people in real life; Ashley OTOH is painfully realistic.

I like this human, he gets it.

I dislike her for everything she isn't.

It's a respectable reason.'

I totally disagree with it.

But it makes much  more sense than "Ashley's a racist zealot who's always calling Shepard a traitor" 

[Cohen le Barbare]

Ashley and Kaiden are the Bastilla and Atton from KOTOR & KOTOR2. One has a stick up her butt and the other has such trust issues that you want to hurt them bad....

[DirtySHISN0]

iakus wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I like this human, he gets it.

I dislike her for everything she isn't.

It's a respectable reason.'

I totally disagree with it.

But it makes much  more sense than "Ashley's a racist zealot who's always calling Shepard a traitor" 

Never said she was racist - dont care if she is or isnt. Just offering an alternative reason to OP's suggestion of why the character is disliked.

[gothicshark]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Yeah i'm opening up this can of worms again. Now before you start making up excuses for Wrex and Javik, lemme ask you this. If I hate the British as a whole, for the crap that went down 300 years ago, would you make up excuses for me? There really is no real excuse out there for hating an entire race based on the actions of a few. Ashley had trust issues with other aliens but eventually grew out of it and trusted them as allies.

But then you've got Wrex who just openly insult Salarians and Turians in front of them, even go as far as joking about eating them. Then you've got Javik who just straight out trolls people. Not to mention there are other characters in the game that have made statements about trusting other aliens and what not. So why is Ashley the exception? Because she's human?

I don't know why it took me this long to notice this.

1. Ashley dislikes Aliens in general because they are not Human, She has learned through Shepard to work with them but she still has an issue with non-humans, her prime reason is because of her past and childhood and how she was raised. This in our society today is not a valid reason for prejudice. 

2. Wrex doesn't hate all aliens because they are aliens, he hates the Genophage which the Salarians and Turians forced on his people, his comments are the same as when a person of African descent says smart ass comments to people of European ancestry about slavery or stereo types.

3. Javik, is like having a Roman walking and talking today, he is rude to all non-Romans, he is brutal and strangely advanced at the same time. He doesn't hate others because they are not Prothean, he does however remember each race as being spear chucking primitives, so he is very condescending. Much as a Roman would be if they time travel to today’s world, I mean the English were spear chucking primitives who painted their skin blue and wore skulls to cover their genitals. So Javik gets a pass for the same reason.


on the example " If I hate the British as a whole, for the crap that went down 300 years ago"

I do not think any group of people either in Mass Effect or on Earth Hate any group of people for something from something that happened 300 years ago.

A. Genophage - Was orginally created a few hundred years ago, but was revamped less than twenty years ago (Salarians have really short life spans compared to humans, so one can assume Mordin Solus did the modification recently.) The Genophage still effect Krogans.

B. Ashley could make the rationazation that her hate comes from what happened in the Frist Contact War in 2157, ME 1 starts in 2183 which is 26 years later. Ashly is 25 when you first meet her.

C. Name any group of people who hate another group of people, it is not because of something in the distant past but because of something recent. Granted you have to learn about these people to understand this.

[SuperVulcan]

Cyne wrote...

Ashley from ME1 is one of the better written characters, complex and funny, with a clearly defined back story. She changed a lot in ME3, to the point where it could scarcely be called the same character.

I agree, but I thought the romance scenes with her were done pretty well.

[PsyrenY]

SirBob1613 wrote...

I love when Ashley rejects you in mass effect 2 romanced or not. I find it said she can't trust you but garrus and tali could.
Because they didnt trust cerberus they trusted Shepard. That is why i don't like ashley or kaiden they don't trust shepard.

The difference is that Kaidan apologized. Three times. (Mars, Hospital bed, Citadel.)

Twice on Mars, now that I think of it.

So Ashely can suck it.



(Also, Kaidan outranks her, and you're supposed to save the higher-ranking officer, so even if you are neutral between the two there are operating procedures to follow.)

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 30 mai 2012 - 12:43 .

[Foxhound2121]

stevefox1200 wrote...

I love how people want a game where you can openly be hostile to your co-workers and teammates because you don't like them

Even if Shepard did not like any team member for any reason he would not be hostile to them because they are part of a squad and depend on each other

and she pulled a gun on you because she was acting as a body guard to the council, one of which you are most likely threatening to kill

I would do the same thing to because its my job to protect them

I certainly hope not. Even police officers are trained to never point their gun at someone unless they intend to use it, and the military it is even more strict. You don't point your gun and then check to see if it is a friendly. You may lower it in that direction but never aim.
Something Ashley does that falls in line with her chracter; either stupid or insubordinate.

[Iakus]

Foxhound2121 wrote...


I certainly hope not. Even police officers are trained to never point their gun at someone unless they intend to use it, and the military it is even more strict. You don't point your gun and then check to see if it is a friendly. You may lower it in that direction but never aim.
Something Ashley does that falls in line with her chracter; either stupid or insubordinate.

She ponts her gun at SHepard because there were Cerberus Asassins on the other side of theat door mere moments ago.  

Then she points her gun again at Shepard because he's pointing guns at Udina.

The possibility exists that Shepard might just be an assassin.  How likely she thinks that is ay depend on Shepard's attitude, but the chance is there.

Modifié par iakus, 30 mai 2012 - 01:09 .

[Hakkari]

Honestly, I didn't mind her because she was racist (though the Citadel comment was obnoxious). In ME1 I didn't really think much of her at all. I thought it was weird how she really only had issues with Wrex and Garrus just sitting around, but never mentioned Tali (who was working on the actual engines as opposed to Wrex just chilling nearby) or Liara (until she gets jealous). But whatever.

I only started disliking her in ME2 and to a far greater extent in ME3. Okay, fine, don't trust me on Horizon/the first mission on Mars. That's understandable. Shepard was working with an organization she didn't trust, and it's believable - especially since she's religious - that she thinks Shepard faked his/her death.

But then she just keeps harping on about it after Mars despite the fact that Shepard kills a bunch of Cerberus men, basically tells TIM to ****** off, and then saves her life when she's assaulted by Eva Core. At least Kaiden apologizes for doubting Shepard; Ashley only shuts up about Shepard's past with Cerberus after you deal with Udina.

And, like other people have said, Wrex and Javik are at least entertaining and justified in their actions. Ashley just sort of whines and tries to be the stereotypical tough girl. She also never does anything on the Normandy after you accept her into your crew. She just sits in her quarters, gets drunk once, then never speaks to the other crew.

Modifié par Hakkari, 30 mai 2012 - 01:13 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Seems excessively stupid on her part though if she cant figure out that an assassin wouldn't be having that conversation with her.

[MegaBadExample]

SirBob1613 wrote...

I love when Ashley rejects you in mass effect 2 romanced or not. I find it said she can't trust you but garrus and tali could.
Because they didnt trust cerberus they trusted Shepard. That is why i don't like ashley or kaiden they don't trust shepard.

This, right here is sadly what the common Mass Effect fan thinks. TALI & GARRUS U SO GREAT! They're blind to everything else. To be honest, if Ashley lowers her weapon during the Udina scene that spells out TRUST way clearer to me, instead of someone just agreeing to follow me because they have nothing else better to do.

At least some of those who dislike Ashley understand where she's coming from.

[MegaBadExample]

Hakkari wrote...

Honestly, I didn't mind her because she was racist (though the Citadel comment was obnoxious). In ME1 I didn't really think much of her at all. I thought it was weird how she really only had issues with Wrex and Garrus just sitting around, but never mentioned Tali (who was working on the actual engines as opposed to Wrex just chilling nearby) or Liara (until she gets jealous). But whatever.

I only started disliking her in ME2 and to a far greater extent in ME3. Okay, fine, don't trust me on Horizon/the first mission on Mars. That's understandable. Shepard was working with an organization she didn't trust, and it's believable - especially since she's religious - that she thinks Shepard faked his/her death.

But then she just keeps harping on about it after Mars despite the fact that Shepard kills a bunch of Cerberus men, basically tells TIM to ****** off, and then saves her life when she's assaulted by Eva Core. At least Kaiden apologizes for doubting Shepard; Ashley only shuts up about Shepard's past with Cerberus after you deal with Udina.

And, like other people have said, Wrex and Javik are at least entertaining and justified in their actions. Ashley just sort of whines and tries to be the stereotypical tough girl. She also never does anything on the Normandy after you accept her into your crew. She just sits in her quarters, gets drunk once, then never speaks to the other crew.

First, she isn't racist.

Yes, but after all that doesn't Ashley say "case-closed"? She did for me.

Second, Ashley was supposed to have more conversations on the Normandy, and also extra branches to her normal existing dialogue. All of her stuff got cut or toned down. Here's a scene which Patrick Weekes still thinks is in the game, but it's not. Shows how much Bioware know about their own game, huh?

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 30 mai 2012 - 01:26 .

[Iakus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The difference is that Kaidan apologized. Three times. (Mars, Hospital bed, Citadel.)

Twice on Mars, now that I think of it.

So Ashely can suck it.



(Also, Kaidan outranks her, and you're supposed to save the higher-ranking officer, so even if you are neutral between the two there are operating procedures to follow.)

Ash apologizes at least once on Mars, once in the Hospital, expresses regret at Kronos Station,   

[mjh417]

As others have said, Wrex and Javik say their racist stuff with dry humor. Ashley is a super serious conservative.

[MegaBadExample]

iakus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

The difference is that Kaidan apologized. Three times. (Mars, Hospital bed, Citadel.)

Twice on Mars, now that I think of it.

So Ashely can suck it.



(Also, Kaidan outranks her, and you're supposed to save the higher-ranking officer, so even if you are neutral between the two there are operating procedures to follow.)

Ash apologizes at least once on Mars, once in the Hospital, expresses regret at Kronos Station,   

Don't forget the e-mail in ME2 and when you rekindle the relationship in ME3.

[SirBob1613]

MegaBadExample wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

I love when Ashley rejects you in mass effect 2 romanced or not. I find it said she can't trust you but garrus and tali could.
Because they didnt trust cerberus they trusted Shepard. That is why i don't like ashley or kaiden they don't trust shepard.

This, right here is sadly what the common Mass Effect fan thinks. TALI & GARRUS U SO GREAT! They're blind to everything else. To be honest, if Ashley lowers her weapon during the Udina scene that spells out TRUST way clearer to me, instead of someone just agreeing to follow me because they have nothing else better to do.

At least some of those who dislike Ashley understand where she's coming from.

So what if Ashley lowers her weapons I had to smack some sense into her during the mars mission and when she was in the hospital. Mars mission was soooo annoying because of her. SHEPARD YOU CERBERUS ARNT YOU WHY YOU NOEZ KNOW THEIR PLANS. Listen woman I saved the world from saren and the collectors. I blew up the base that was anti cerberus choice saved the council which mean i saved aliens races so why would i be part of a pro human organization.  I even turned myself over to the alliance. Yup am cerberus!!!

Modifié par SirBob1613, 30 mai 2012 - 01:33 .

[Made Nightwing]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

stevefox1200 wrote...

I love how people want a game where you can openly be hostile to your co-workers and teammates because you don't like them

Even if Shepard did not like any team member for any reason he would not be hostile to them because they are part of a squad and depend on each other

and she pulled a gun on you because she was acting as a body guard to the council, one of which you are most likely threatening to kill

I would do the same thing to because its my job to protect them

I certainly hope not. Even police officers are trained to never point their gun at someone unless they intend to use it, and the military it is even more strict. You don't point your gun and then check to see if it is a friendly. You may lower it in that direction but never aim.
Something Ashley does that falls in line with her chracter; either stupid or insubordinate.

Yes, but in this case, Ash wasn't being police or military. She was acting in the role of the POTUS Secret Service bodyguards. They will point their guns at anything that shouldn't be around the President, even family members.

[Iakus]

SirBob1613 wrote...


So what if Ashley lowers her weapons i had to smack some sense into her during the mars mission and when she was in the hospital. Mars mission was soooo annoying because of her. SHEPARD YOU CERBERUS ARNT YOU WHY YOU NOEZ KNOW THEIR PLANS. Listen woman i saved the world from saren and the collectors. I blew up the base that was anti cerberus choice saved the council which mean i saved aliens races so why would i be part of a pro human organization.

Umm, she asked if you had any idea why Cerberus would be interested in the Mars ruins.  Since between Shepard, Ash, and Vega, you're the Cerberus expert.  

People read suspicion into anything, I guess.