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[MegaBadExample]

Made Nightwing wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Vikali wrote...

I don't like Ashley because she's annoying.

At least that's better than calling her racist (which she's not).

She seems to really dislike aliens though.

"Tali's like a sister to me."

How are you guys not getting this?

I swear, I've given up on this fandom.

[SirBob1613]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Vikali wrote...

I don't like Ashley because she's annoying.

At least that's better than calling her racist (which she's not).

She seems to really dislike aliens though.

"Tali's like a sister to me."

How are you guys not getting this?

I swear, I've given up on this fandom.

I wanted to see how everyone was gonna react  She may not be racist but she is annoying and un trusting

[PsyrenY]

Made Nightwing wrote...

To be fair, if you cheat on Kaidan, it's with three guys are unilaterally considered to be stand up fellas. Two of the options for cheating on Ash are a **** poured into a jumpsuit (no offence) and a biotic convict (an awesome biotic convict, but still). If it's with Tali she doesn't mind at all. In fact, later in the game, when Tali and Ash meet again, if Shepard's ended it with Ash for good, she'll say that it's good to see Tali again. The two of them only get ****y if you're playing both of them at the same time.

I'll give you Tali. For the other two:

She characterizes Miranda as a **** because of how she dresses, and gives no thought to her other attributes (including, you know, being smart enough to save Shepard's life.) That's the most sexist attitude I would have the misfortune of hearing and would certainly cause my Shepard to not even bother continuing anything serious with her.

Jack I would have agreed with you on, until I met her again at Grissom Academy and realized how much she's grown. However her past may have painted her, she's long since moved beyond that.

Come to think of it, the other two are human. Maybe she feels more threatened since you can't explain it away with "I'm more attracted to aliens" or something. Regardless, my point stands - Kaidan is much more understanding.

[MegaBadExample]

SirBob1613 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Vikali wrote...

I don't like Ashley because she's annoying.

At least that's better than calling her racist (which she's not).

She seems to really dislike aliens though.

"Tali's like a sister to me."

How are you guys not getting this?

I swear, I've given up on this fandom.

I wanted to see how everyone was gonna react  She may not be racist but she is annoying and un trusting

So you trolled me?

Well played, sir. Well played.

And it's quite easy to earn her trust. It's really not hard. Depends if you want it or not.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 30 mai 2012 - 02:31 .

[Made Nightwing]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

To be fair, if you cheat on Kaidan, it's with three guys are unilaterally considered to be stand up fellas. Two of the options for cheating on Ash are a **** poured into a jumpsuit (no offence) and a biotic convict (an awesome biotic convict, but still). If it's with Tali she doesn't mind at all. In fact, later in the game, when Tali and Ash meet again, if Shepard's ended it with Ash for good, she'll say that it's good to see Tali again. The two of them only get ****y if you're playing both of them at the same time.

I'll give you Tali. For the other two:

She characterizes Miranda as a **** because of how she dresses, and gives no thought to her other attributes (including, you know, being smart enough to save Shepard's life.) That's the most sexist attitude I would have the misfortune of hearing and would certainly cause my Shepard to not even bother continuing anything serious with her.

Jack I would have agreed with you on, until I met her again at Grissom Academy and realized how much she's grown. However her past may have painted her, she's long since moved beyond that.

Come to think of it, the other two are human. Maybe she feels more threatened since you can't explain it away with "I'm more attracted to aliens" or something. Regardless, my point stands - Kaidan is much more understanding.

It may also have something to do with the fact that Miranda is a Cerberus officer who has been part of the Illusive Man's organisation for over twenty years. I shudder to think about how many people she's killed, how many atrocities she's participated in. I literally have to deny that fact to myself to keep liking her.

Jack gives off an image that's...negative. I love her to bits precisely because her rage is usually so deliberately understated.

[Foxhound2121]

iakus wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...


I certainly hope not. Even police officers are trained to never point their gun at someone unless they intend to use it, and the military it is even more strict. You don't point your gun and then check to see if it is a friendly. You may lower it in that direction but never aim.
Something Ashley does that falls in line with her chracter; either stupid or insubordinate.

She ponts her gun at SHepard because there were Cerberus Asassins on the other side of theat door mere moments ago.  

Then she points her gun again at Shepard because he's pointing guns at Udina.

The possibility exists that Shepard might just be an assassin.  How likely she thinks that is ay depend on Shepard's attitude, but the chance is there.

She aims her weapon on a friendly before checking her target. What soldier does that?

Made Nightwing wrote...

Yes, but in this case, Ash wasn't
being police or military. She was acting in the role of the POTUS Secret
Service bodyguards. They will point their guns at anything that
shouldn't be around the President, even family members.

Oh, so does Potus secret service just aim their weapons at each other?

[PsyrenY]

Made Nightwing wrote...

It may also have something to do with the fact that Miranda is a Cerberus officer who has been part of the Illusive Man's organisation for over twenty years. I shudder to think about how many people she's killed, how many atrocities she's participated in. I literally have to deny that fact to myself to keep liking her.

Jack gives off an image that's...negative. I love her to bits precisely because her rage is usually so deliberately understated.

@ Miranda: So what? Whatever black marks may have been on her record, she saved many more by reviving you. And recall that the head of Lazarus before her actually thought it was impossible; without her opposition to this notion, TIM might have actually given up on you. Or you might have been brought back, but too late to stop the Arrival.

Yeah Ash hasn't committed any atrocities... because she's been a grunt all her life with no power to make the hard choices. That doesn't give her any kind of moral high ground. Some would argue that many of Shepard's choices were themselves "atrocities" e.g. being responsible for the deaths of 300,000 Batarians. Everything sucks out of context.

@Jack: She's gone from being Token Evil Teammate to Mama Bear. I find it hard to approve more.

Now, as I said before, Ashley's not racist (though her line in ME1 about not being able to tell the aliens from the animals was very off-putting - my Paragon Shep would have read her the riot act for that one had I had the chance.) But she's just not relationship material for my Shepards either. Leave her with Vega.

[MACharlie1]

Doesn't Ashley only criticize Miranda if Shepard was in a relationship with both? In which case, Ashley's comments are not motivated by her actual opinion of Miranda as a person but rather her opinion of her as a "skank who stole my boyfriend!"

[Foxhound2121]

iakus wrote...

Hakkari wrote...

- Yes, because "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" isn't racist. She is racist, because she doesn't like aliens. Wrex and Javik are also racist, because they don't like salarians/turians/primitives. She gets over this in ME3, but it doesn't change the fact that she was judging all turians/aliens because of what happened with her grandfather. It would be different if she hated the turians her grandfather surrendered to, but she spreads her dislike to all aliens, even if she's more subtle than, say, Pressly.

How many times does this have to keep coming up?

Ash is specifically referring to the Keepers.  She can't tell if they're sentient or not.  For that matter, neoither can anyone else.  The fact that she says it in other places is an acknowledged bug that never got fixed.

Even if you take it out of context, it says a lot about her character and is a damning thing to say.

Aliens =/ just keepers. Otherwise, she would have said just keepers.

[MegaBadExample]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Hakkari wrote...

- Yes, because "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" isn't racist. She is racist, because she doesn't like aliens. Wrex and Javik are also racist, because they don't like salarians/turians/primitives. She gets over this in ME3, but it doesn't change the fact that she was judging all turians/aliens because of what happened with her grandfather. It would be different if she hated the turians her grandfather surrendered to, but she spreads her dislike to all aliens, even if she's more subtle than, say, Pressly.

How many times does this have to keep coming up?

Ash is specifically referring to the Keepers.  She can't tell if they're sentient or not.  For that matter, neoither can anyone else.  The fact that she says it in other places is an acknowledged bug that never got fixed.

Even if you take it out of context, it says a lot about her character and is a damning thing to say.

Aliens =/ just keepers. Otherwise, she would have said just keepers.

No, she wouldn't. She's inexperienced and truly doesn't know what it is. I believe her exact words were: "What is that thing?" when she saw the keeper by the relay.

[Made Nightwing]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...


I certainly hope not. Even police officers are trained to never point their gun at someone unless they intend to use it, and the military it is even more strict. You don't point your gun and then check to see if it is a friendly. You may lower it in that direction but never aim.
Something Ashley does that falls in line with her chracter; either stupid or insubordinate.

She ponts her gun at SHepard because there were Cerberus Asassins on the other side of theat door mere moments ago.  

Then she points her gun again at Shepard because he's pointing guns at Udina.

The possibility exists that Shepard might just be an assassin.  How likely she thinks that is ay depend on Shepard's attitude, but the chance is there.

She aims her weapon on a friendly before checking her target. What soldier does that?

Made Nightwing wrote...

Yes, but in this case, Ash wasn't
being police or military. She was acting in the role of the POTUS Secret
Service bodyguards. They will point their guns at anything that
shouldn't be around the President, even family members.

Oh, so does Potus secret service just aim their weapons at each other?

In a firefight? Every soldier. Shepard didn't yell 'Friendlies coming in!', or 'Ash, watch out, Udina's a traitor!'. He showed up out of nowhere and the first thing he does is block Ashley's escape route. And the first thing Ash does? Lower her weapon, until Udina tries to prompt her to put it back up. Your argument is flimsy.

The bodyguards will aim weapons at other agents if they believe there is significant risk to the President's safety. Ashley's task was to protect the Council at all costs. It doesn't help that Shepard is setting himself up as the bad guy.

[PsyrenY]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Doesn't Ashley only criticize Miranda if Shepard was in a relationship with both? In which case, Ashley's comments are not motivated by her actual opinion of Miranda as a person but rather her opinion of her as a "skank who stole my boyfriend!"

Even assuming that you're right, Kaidan doesn't react that strongly.

[magneticpolarshift]

Ashley's not PC enough for people so they call her racist, Wrex and Javik joke about other species and that's all swell. The Turians and Humans certainly aren't buddies but they're now allies because it benefits them both, but they still have trust issues. As all the species of the galaxy do.

Can't believe were talking about race issues in a game but that's how good the ME series was, except for the very ending.

Modifié par magneticpolarshift, 30 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[Made Nightwing]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Doesn't Ashley only criticize Miranda if Shepard was in a relationship with both? In which case, Ashley's comments are not motivated by her actual opinion of Miranda as a person but rather her opinion of her as a "skank who stole my boyfriend!"

Even assuming that you're right, Kaidan doesn't react that strongly.

Which is, again, because Thane, Garrus and Jacob are stand up guys.

[MegaBadExample]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Doesn't Ashley only criticize Miranda if Shepard was in a relationship with both? In which case, Ashley's comments are not motivated by her actual opinion of Miranda as a person but rather her opinion of her as a "skank who stole my boyfriend!"

Even assuming that you're right, Kaidan doesn't react that strongly.

Believe it or not, she's allowed to be upset about the fact that the man she loved left her for the "perfect" woman.

And Kaidan can actually order you out of the room.

They're different people, and react differently. Kaidan is a good bit older than Ashley, and it does show sometimes.

[MACharlie1]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Doesn't Ashley only criticize Miranda if Shepard was in a relationship with both? In which case, Ashley's comments are not motivated by her actual opinion of Miranda as a person but rather her opinion of her as a "skank who stole my boyfriend!"

Even assuming that you're right, Kaidan doesn't react that strongly.

Kaidan doesn't have Ashley's hot-headed personality though. It's kind of expected Kaidan to react more peacefully then Ashley. Remember that Ashley approves if Shepard shacks up with Tali. 

[MegaBadExample]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Doesn't Ashley only criticize Miranda if Shepard was in a relationship with both? In which case, Ashley's comments are not motivated by her actual opinion of Miranda as a person but rather her opinion of her as a "skank who stole my boyfriend!"

Even assuming that you're right, Kaidan doesn't react that strongly.

Kaidan doesn't have Ashley's hot-headed personality though. It's kind of expected Kaidan to react more peacefully then Ashley. Remember that Ashley approves if Shepard shacks up with Tali. 

If your Ex girlfriend thinks of her as a little sister... she's too young for you bro!

[Iakus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

iakus wrote...

Ash apologizes at least once on Mars, once in the Hospital, expresses regret at Kronos Station,   

Once on Mars, compared to Kaidan's two.

I heard no apology in the hospital, just the "I accept that" line. Though it's possible I missed it - link?
And woe betide you if you cheated on her, she gets way more pissy about that than Kaidan does.

No apology on the Citadel.

How many times does someone have to apologize to you before you accept it?  

I doublechecked the hospital scene, you are right there is no specific "apology" though there is an agreement to let bygones be bygones and start fresh.  In my mind, that's close enough.

And you're right, there's no apology in teh Citadel, it's the love scene I was thinking of "I doubted you once, and I lost you.  That's not happening again"

[Iakus]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Hakkari wrote...

- Yes, because "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" isn't racist. She is racist, because she doesn't like aliens. Wrex and Javik are also racist, because they don't like salarians/turians/primitives. She gets over this in ME3, but it doesn't change the fact that she was judging all turians/aliens because of what happened with her grandfather. It would be different if she hated the turians her grandfather surrendered to, but she spreads her dislike to all aliens, even if she's more subtle than, say, Pressly.

How many times does this have to keep coming up?

Ash is specifically referring to the Keepers.  She can't tell if they're sentient or not.  For that matter, neoither can anyone else.  The fact that she says it in other places is an acknowledged bug that never got fixed.

Even if you take it out of context, it says a lot about her character and is a damning thing to say.

Aliens =/ just keepers. Otherwise, she would have said just keepers.

Can't help it if aliens and animals has better aliteration than Keepers and Sentient life forms 

[PsyrenY]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Which is, again, because Thane, Garrus and Jacob are stand up guys.

And Miranda isn't? The one truly questionable thing she wanted to do (the control chip) she apologized for, twice. And she turned away from TIM also. 

MegaBadExample wrote...

Believe it or not, she's allowed to be upset about the fact that the man she loved left her for the "perfect" woman.

And Kaidan can actually order you out of the room.

They're different people, and react differently. Kaidan is a good bit older than Ashley, and it does show sometimes.

1) No she's not, not after Horizon.
2) No **** they're different people, which is why I'll always go with Kaidan.

[PsyrenY]

iakus wrote...

Can't help it if aliens and animals has better aliteration than Keepers and Sentient life forms 

Do you have proof that line was only meant to apply to Keepers? I don't play telephone games.

iakus wrote...

How many times does someone have to apologize to you before you accept it?

Enough to make me believe it. The fact that she kept questioning my allegiance after that one "apology" was damning.

iakus wrote...
I doublechecked the hospital scene, you are right there is no specific "apology" though there is an agreement to let bygones be bygones and start fresh.  In my mind, that's close enough.

Let's agree to disagree is no apology. It means "I still believe what I believe, I just don't feel like arguing about it anymore."

iakus wrote...
And you're right, there's no apology in teh Citadel, it's the love scene I was thinking of "I doubted you once, and I lost you.  That's not happening again"

Obviously if you've already gotten that far, you didn't care about the milkwater "apologies" she tossed your way before, so that's moot.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 30 mai 2012 - 03:41 .

[DeathScepter]

it is a myth that Ashley is a racist. She is not a racist, she is just cautious about Aliens on a military ship.

[MegaBadExample]

I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

[alec1898]

MegaBadExample wrote...


I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

A classified military ship co-developed by Humans and Turians, who she also had problems with.

[MegaBadExample]

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...


I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

A classified military ship co-developed by Humans and Turians, who she also had problems with.

When did Ashley call out Turians?