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[alec1898]

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...


I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

A classified military ship co-developed by Humans and Turians, who she also had problems with.

When did Ashley call out Turians?

Mass Effect 1, I think memory serves me right.

[MegaBadExample]

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...


I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

A classified military ship co-developed by Humans and Turians, who she also had problems with.

When did Ashley call out Turians?

Mass Effect 1, I think memory serves me right.

A quote would be helpful.

[alec1898]

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...


I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

A classified military ship co-developed by Humans and Turians, who she also had problems with.

When did Ashley call out Turians?

Mass Effect 1, I think memory serves me right.

A quote would be helpful.

The wiki says something along these lines:

"She questions the wisdom of allowing Urdnot Wrex and Garrus Vakarian to wander around freely"

But no, I can't pull out an exact quote.

Modifié par alec1898, 30 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[F00lishG]

 People don't like real hard women with an opinion that differs from them. That sums up any hatred for Ashley.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

F00lishG wrote...

 People don't like real hard women with an opinion that differs from them. That sums up any hatred for Ashley.

Yet KotOR2's Kreia manages to avoid my hatred, despite meeting all your criteria.

[MegaBadExample]

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...


I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

A classified military ship co-developed by Humans and Turians, who she also had problems with.

When did Ashley call out Turians?

Mass Effect 1, I think memory serves me right.

A quote would be helpful.

The wiki says something along these lines:

"She questions the wisdom of allowing Urdnot Wrex and Garrus Vakarian to wander around freely"

But no, I can't pull out an exact quote.

Exactly no quote.

Yes, Ashley does question it. However, they ARE complete strangers picked up freshly off the street. Who in the right mind would trust individuals like that at first? You don't know them, and they don't know you. They're unknowns and you're allowing them to watch you're back with a gun? Wrex is mercenary who even physically assaulted Shepard before coming aboard. I think her concerns are more than justified. Hell, most soldiers wearing your colours aren't allowed access to everything, and Shepard just lets randomers?

[MACharlie1]

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...


I really don't understand why players want an apology, nor do I see why it's needed. Maybe after Horizon for the back-stabbing comment (even though, it's technically all true). Guess some of ya'll are the sensitive types?

Basically most of you guys want these apologies:

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite).
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk.
I'm sorry I function like a human being.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship.
I'm sorry I was born.
Ect.

A classified military ship co-developed by Humans and Turians, who she also had problems with.

When did Ashley call out Turians?

Mass Effect 1, I think memory serves me right.

A quote would be helpful.

The wiki says something along these lines:

"She questions the wisdom of allowing Urdnot Wrex and Garrus Vakarian to wander around freely"

But no, I can't pull out an exact quote.

Near exact quote:

"I mean Vakarian and Wrex. With all due respect, I don't think they should be allowed to poke around the vital systems. [Bear/Dog story] It's not racism - not really. Members of their own species will always look out for themselves." 

[MegaBadExample]

It isn't racism. It's the cold hard truth.

[EsterCloat]

Wow, this thread is a long runner.

[Foxhound2121]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Hakkari wrote...

- Yes, because "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" isn't racist. She is racist, because she doesn't like aliens. Wrex and Javik are also racist, because they don't like salarians/turians/primitives. She gets over this in ME3, but it doesn't change the fact that she was judging all turians/aliens because of what happened with her grandfather. It would be different if she hated the turians her grandfather surrendered to, but she spreads her dislike to all aliens, even if she's more subtle than, say, Pressly.

How many times does this have to keep coming up?

Ash is specifically referring to the Keepers.  She can't tell if they're sentient or not.  For that matter, neoither can anyone else.  The fact that she says it in other places is an acknowledged bug that never got fixed.

Even if you take it out of context, it says a lot about her character and is a damning thing to say.

Aliens =/ just keepers. Otherwise, she would have said just keepers.

No, she wouldn't. She's inexperienced and truly doesn't know what it is. I believe her exact words were: "What is that thing?" when she saw the keeper by the relay.

Doesn't change the fact that she says that exact phrase.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 30 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[F00lishG]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

 People don't like real hard women with an opinion that differs from them. That sums up any hatred for Ashley.

Yet KotOR2's Kreia manages to avoid my hatred, despite meeting all your criteria.

Great. Still 2 different people though.

[MACharlie1]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Hakkari wrote...

- Yes, because "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" isn't racist. She is racist, because she doesn't like aliens. Wrex and Javik are also racist, because they don't like salarians/turians/primitives. She gets over this in ME3, but it doesn't change the fact that she was judging all turians/aliens because of what happened with her grandfather. It would be different if she hated the turians her grandfather surrendered to, but she spreads her dislike to all aliens, even if she's more subtle than, say, Pressly.

How many times does this have to keep coming up?

Ash is specifically referring to the Keepers.  She can't tell if they're sentient or not.  For that matter, neoither can anyone else.  The fact that she says it in other places is an acknowledged bug that never got fixed.

Even if you take it out of context, it says a lot about her character and is a damning thing to say.

Aliens =/ just keepers. Otherwise, she would have said just keepers.

No, she wouldn't. She's inexperienced and truly doesn't know what it is. I believe her exact words were: "What is that thing?" when she saw the keeper by the relay.

Doesn't change the fact that she says that exact phrase.

Actually she says "Bug thing". 

[PsyrenY]

MegaBadExample wrote...

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated after you shut me down and basically called me a terrorist without hearing me out.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization even though Garrus and Tali could see the big picture and I couldn't.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite) (because it's so vague?)
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk but if I were to actually apologize for that, I'd be here till the war ends.
I'm sorry I function like a human being though it's kind of sad that the aliens are actually more human.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship that aliens helped build.
I'm sorry I was born though at least I couldn't help that, but I can help my attitude as an adult.
Ect.

Fixed that for you.

[MegaBadExample]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Hakkari wrote...

- Yes, because "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" isn't racist. She is racist, because she doesn't like aliens. Wrex and Javik are also racist, because they don't like salarians/turians/primitives. She gets over this in ME3, but it doesn't change the fact that she was judging all turians/aliens because of what happened with her grandfather. It would be different if she hated the turians her grandfather surrendered to, but she spreads her dislike to all aliens, even if she's more subtle than, say, Pressly.

How many times does this have to keep coming up?

Ash is specifically referring to the Keepers.  She can't tell if they're sentient or not.  For that matter, neoither can anyone else.  The fact that she says it in other places is an acknowledged bug that never got fixed.

Even if you take it out of context, it says a lot about her character and is a damning thing to say.

Aliens =/ just keepers. Otherwise, she would have said just keepers.

No, she wouldn't. She's inexperienced and truly doesn't know what it is. I believe her exact words were: "What is that thing?" when she saw the keeper by the relay.

Doesn't change the fact that she says that exact phrase.

If it was your first time witnessing all these different species... some big, small, tiny ect.

Keepers, elcors, hanars ect.

Would you not think the same? Seriously now.

But again, what does it matter? Ashley has for the first time, truly experienced space, other races and cultures since joining up with Shepard. She now knows things that she didn't before, and she is anything but racist in ME3.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 30 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[MegaBadExample]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

I’m sorry I got upset that you cheated after you shut me down and basically called me a terrorist without hearing me out.
I’m sorry I didn’t agree to work with a terrorist organization even though Garrus and Tali could see the big picture and I couldn't.
I’m sorry I asked a question (personally my favourite) (because it's so vague?)
I’m sorry for my tone when I talk but if I were to actually apologize for that, I'd be here till the war ends.
I'm sorry I function like a human being though it's kind of sad that the aliens are actually more human.
I’m sorry I had concerns about complete “strangers” coming aboard a classified military ship that aliens helped build.
I'm sorry I was born though at least I couldn't help that, but I can help my attitude as an adult.
Ect.

Fixed that for you.

 Butt-hurt much?

Ashley sent an apology for calling you traitor on Horizon (even though, it's techically true).
If I recall, Tali didn't join Shepard at first either, she had things to do... people to REPORT back to.
Because apparently people hate that Ashley asks TWO questions on Mars.
Lol wut?
How so? Explain.
True enough. But it's still owned by the Alliance. It is THEIR ship, and it has THEIR top-secret information on it.
By being another "yes man" ? How would you like her to improve? 

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 30 mai 2012 - 04:34 .

[PsyrenY]

MegaBadExample wrote...
Butt-hurt much?

Nah, I have nothing against her personally, just her attitude. She's still a talented soldier... but so is Kaidan. (and biotic/techy at that.)

MegaBadExample wrote... 
If I recall, Tali didn't join Shepard at first either, she had things to do... people to REPORT back to.

Yet she left the door open to help you later, and did. Ashley did neither.

MegaBadExample wrote... 
Ashley sent an apology for calling you traitor on Horizon (even though, it's techically true).

"But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you."

Way to pass judgement on someone after a 2-minute conversation.

MegaBadExample wrote... 
Because apparently people hate that Ashley asks TWO questions on Mars.
Lol wut?

Where did I ever mention Ashley asking questions? It's her lack of apologies for those questions (compared to Kaidan) that I take issue with.

MegaBadExample wrote... 
True enough. But it's still owned by the Alliance. It is THEIR ship, and it has THEIR top-secret information on it.

Actually, it's MY ship. And I have no intention of explaining myself to my Gunnery-Chief.

MegaBadExample wrote... 
By being a "yes man" ? How would you like her to improve? 

Trusting her CO? I guess that's too much to ask. 

[Made Nightwing]

No. It's not your ship. It's the Alliance's ship. They just let you borrow it.

[PsyrenY]

Made Nightwing wrote...

No. It's not your ship. It's the Alliance's ship. They just let you borrow it.

Anderson gave me executive power over it. The difference is academic.

Though it was the Council that wanted Tali on board, not the Alliance, if you want to get technical.

[Made Nightwing]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Which is, again, because Thane, Garrus and Jacob are stand up guys.

And Miranda isn't? The one truly questionable thing she wanted to do (the control chip) she apologized for, twice. And she turned away from TIM also. 

MegaBadExample wrote...

Believe it or not, she's allowed to be upset about the fact that the man she loved left her for the "perfect" woman.

And Kaidan can actually order you out of the room.

They're different people, and react differently. Kaidan is a good bit older than Ashley, and it does show sometimes.

1) No she's not, not after Horizon.
2) No **** they're different people, which is why I'll always go with Kaidan.

If Ashleys' apologies don't count, then neither do Miranda's.

[Made Nightwing]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

No. It's not your ship. It's the Alliance's ship. They just let you borrow it.

Anderson gave me executive power over it. The difference is academic.

Though it was the Council that wanted Tali on board, not the Alliance, if you want to get technical.

That's the definition of being given command of a ship. You have direction on what it does and where it goes, WITHIN YOUR COMPETENCE. A Captain doesn't make a decision that rightfully belongs to an Admiral.

[PsyrenY]

Made Nightwing wrote...

If Ashleys' apologies don't count, then neither do Miranda's.

Because Miranda kept thinking I was with Cerberus after I quit, right? 
Please.

[Made Nightwing]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

If Ashleys' apologies don't count, then neither do Miranda's.

Because Miranda kept thinking I was with Cerberus after I quit, right? 
Please.

I don't particularly like treason, especially when I have to do it as a playing character. In the Witcher 2, you get the choice whether you want to side with one group or the other. BioWare just didn't have the imagination to do something like that in ME2.

Ash kept a healthy suspicion of Shepard's motives and loyalties. When she was convinced, she stopped. End of story. If you can't accept her apology for not trusting you, that's your problem, not hers.

[MegaBadExample]

@Optimystic_X

That's because Tali finished her mission, and got permission to leave. Ashley didn't and couldn't.

"I can't lose you a second time." Besides when you're standing there in the enemies colours, it's common sense that she'd think you are in some way different. Experiences change you. That, or coming back from the dead.

Not you, personally. Other folks.

It's not your information, though. I didn't know being in Command meant you own it now.

Not hard for her to trust you, really. I couldn't get Ash to turn on me if I tried (seriously).

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 30 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[Foxhound2121]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Actually she says "Bug thing". 

not true

MegaBadExample wrote...

If it was your first time witnessing all these different species... some big, small, tiny ect.

Keepers, elcors, hanars ect.

Would you not think the same? Seriously now.

But
again, what does it matter? Ashley has for the first time,
truly experienced space, other races and clutures since joinging up with
Shepard. She now knows things that she didn't before, and she is
anything but racist in ME3.

That just makes it worse by her being ignorant. The keeper could be a senator for all she knows. She obviously knows where she is at the time. No, if I happen to stroll on a galactic space station someday knowing billions of aliens are there, I wouldn't refer to them as animals the first time I see them. If that is her first impression of them, then she views herself on a podium as a higher being. This is something racist people tend to do.  

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 30 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[Made Nightwing]

@Foxhound. Nope, she's told that the Keeper is a maintenance drone. She literally can't tell the sapient/non-sapient species apart. Outsider's perspective, not higher perspective. You're grasping.