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[BaladasDemnevanni]

Generic Screen Name wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...
Yep but most of them have very good voiceacting and well written background story

 

Ashley and Kaidan have both these things, so what's your problem? 

I would argue that neither of them possesses the second one.

[MACharlie1]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Generic Screen Name wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...
Yep but most of them have very good voiceacting and well written background story

 

Ashley and Kaidan have both these things, so what's your problem? 

I would argue that neither of them possesses the second one.

Because....they are ordinary people? You really can't expect the human crew members to have an exciting backstory like Wrex - who killed his father after attempting to unify his people. I could say that Liara's backstory isn't that interesting either: little girl with powerful mommy becomes a scientist. The only reason why Liara's story is interesting is because she's an Asari who has mind-sex with you. If she were human - you'd say she was boring and lackluster. 

[gmboy902]

I think what makes Wrex interesting is watching how different races act towards different scenarios. For this reason, none of the human squadmates really interested me other than Jack.

[Demonique]

The genophage isn't "crap that went down 300 years ago", it was still affecting the krogan over 1400 years later and there are still salarians (Dala**** Linron) that support the genophage.

Why is Linron blaming the krogan for "crap that went down" over 1400 years ago?

[akenn312]

Just putting this out there, but in Mass Effect humans and aliens were in a basic gridlock, neither trusted each other and almost all aliens looked down upon humans as inferior and not advanced enough to be part of the council races.
On the other end humans looked down upon aliens as a bunch of elitist, weird reptile heads that would stab them in the back or use them for their own gain. 

Someone on the Mass Effect crew had to represent that mindset. That character is Ashley, and it makes sense. Kaiden was a Biotic and was already put through a form of discrimination with being a biotic, so him being untrustworthy of aliens would make no sense at all. Joker shows this untrusting bigotry in the beginning of the story but he has jokes so we take it in stride, especially after he gets some robot action.

Ashley's feelings towards aliens and being untrustworthy makes the most sense for her character. The situation affected her family directly and she is part of the military that is basically fighting against these enemies daily. A person after a while is gonna get a little jaded after seeing friends die and family die at aliens hands.That's what makes Shepard's induction to being a Specter and his ability to change Ashley's outlook by bringing aliens onto his crew have a deeper meaning.

It represents the ability for people to change and accept differences. In ME3 Ash is happy to see her old crew becomes a Specter and protects the council even if it means killing a human councilor that made her a Specter, she also thinks of Tali as her best friend and wants to comfort Liara after Thessia.

Ash is not a representation of racisim she is a representation of letting go of prejudice and distrust. (depending how you played the game) It's a great part of the story, because when Shepard joins the most racist terrorist human organization, Ash feels betrayed. This was the guy that showed her that we should accept everyone now he's basically joined up with the Klan/mob to stop the Reapers. I think you would be a little raw about that because it is basically being a hypocrite. That's why she is so shocked (If you took Garrius to Eden Prime in ME2) that he would go along with this. 



Oh yeah and guess what she was right, Cerberus was a bunch of  racist liars that almost caused the galaxy's entire destruction. …Oh yeah and they did control Shepard, so she was right again. 

Modifié par akenn312, 31 mai 2012 - 03:35 .

[Scalabrine]

Ashley isn't rascist, the character is just stupid, ignorant and immature.

If you destroy the geth she mocks them, whenever you came back after a geth mission she had some quirky remarks like : "humans 1 blinky lights 0" or something like that. After all that she's been through with shep and all she knows about the geth she should know that they're not the evil race they've been painted as. I learned to hate the character, in ME1 she was my LI in every single playthrough, now she's probably the worst character in the series.

Wrex isn't rascist without justification, his people are dying because of other races, independently if it was the krogan's fault or not. And wrex learned to trust other species as well, you could count Garrus as one of his best buddies along with shep.

[Okuto]

I see very little wrong with Ash.....

She's xenophobic cause her family was blacklisted due to an alien invasion? Understandable.....

Not like she's pro terra firma......

[Scalabrine]

jreezy wrote...

Scalabrine wrote...

If you destroy the geth she mocks them, whenever you came back after a geth mission she had some quirky remarks like : "humans 1 blinky lights 0" or something like that. After all that she's been through with shep and all she knows about the geth she should know that they're not the evil race they've been painted as.

You expect a character who's only experience in dealing with Geth is them trying kill her to think they're not "evil"? Lol

I expect a character who knows about geth heretics and the peaceful geth to not be so quick to judge and be a ****. And don't give me that "uhh she couldn't know cuz she wusn't in ME2" crap. If tali came around and accept peace between both races i expect ashley to not be so stupid.

[MACharlie1]

Scalabrine wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Scalabrine wrote...

If you destroy the geth she mocks them, whenever you came back after a geth mission she had some quirky remarks like : "humans 1 blinky lights 0" or something like that. After all that she's been through with shep and all she knows about the geth she should know that they're not the evil race they've been painted as.

You expect a character who's only experience in dealing with Geth is them trying kill her to think they're not "evil"? Lol

I expect a character who knows about geth heretics and the peaceful geth to not be so quick to judge and be a ****. And don't give me that "uhh she couldn't know cuz she wusn't in ME2" crap. If tali came around and accept peace between both races i expect ashley to not be so stupid.

I happen to agree on this point - the writers kind of dropped the ball with Ashley in this regard. But then again, they dropped the ball with EVERYTHING Ashley after the Citadel coup. I'd just chalk it up to being REALLY bitter about Eden Prime and losing the 212. 

[akenn312]

So just because she didn't completely accept the Geth alliance she is ignorant? Again humans are not going to openly accept the Geth they have been at war with them for too long to just go..."Oh you guys are good now. So yeah I guess I was wrong."

No one ever talks about the Rachni hatred across the board. If you save the Racs everyone says you are an idiot. So Ash is ignorant because she calls the Geth flashlight heads as a joke? 

Give humanity some time to warm up to this, They weren't with you in ME2. Ash does not know Legion and  that's a hell of a lot to take.

So just for "giggles" lets hypothetical this idea …the leader of Al qaeda says "We are not evil, we just are misunderstood. He takes you on a TRON adventurer and then you say to your friends who have been fighting these guys for years "Hey they are pretty cool...I only know this because I met the leader when I was spending time time the Space KKK/Mob and then just now they said the Quarians are the problem…yeah I know right?, they are cool peeps though."

Do you really expect your military brethren to just say they are cool now?

Watch BSG it takes a long time for the humans & Cylons to even get to a kinda peace. One event ain't gonna do it, even if they hitch a ride on the Galaxy vs. Reaper train. 

Ash is real, and that's a real reaction to her and the Geth, that was her main enemy in Mass Effect. They killed her whole squad in on Eden Prime. She is not going to drop that like her hair style. 

Modifié par akenn312, 31 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[_aLucidMind_]

jreezy wrote...

Okuto wrote...

She's xenophobic...

STOP! HAMMER TIME! She isn't xenophobic, I really wish people would stop using that word.

The definition of a xenophobia, according to the dictionary I'm looking in right now, is "an intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries." Due to the word "or", wouldn't that mean you wouldn't have to fear them and merely have an irrational dislike and still be able to be called a xenophobe?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Re: The geth argument - if you're going to call someone bigoted for disliking the geth, then we have to include the character who, should you choose to destroy the geth, tells you that he's not sorry to see them go. That's right - Garrus Vakarian is apparently now a racist.

It's actually kind of funny how many people hate the quarians for trying to kill the geth yet love Garrus, who'd do the same thing in a heartbeat were he in their shoes. BSN double standards at their finest...

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 31 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[FTR GROG]

I actually liked ashley in ME i hated her in ME2 and 3 "you must be with Cerberus" "**** we've been over this 5 times im not and i love you" 2 sec later shes holding a gun to me and trusting the biggest ****** in ME history wth

[_aLucidMind_]

jreezy wrote...

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Okuto wrote...

She's xenophobic...

STOP! HAMMER TIME! She isn't xenophobic, I really wish people would stop using that word.

The definition of a xenophobia, according to the dictionary I'm looking in right now, is "an intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries." Due to the word "or", wouldn't that mean you wouldn't have to fear them and merely have an irrational dislike and still be able to be called a xenophobe?

Fear or dislike, none of what Ashley displays is irrational. She has sound reasoning for her dislike, however much it is, of the council races.

True, she isn't irrational about it. I would probably say she is a little ignorant due to a lack of personal experience with aliens, since I believe she says outright that being on the SR1 was the first time she has been around aliens or worked with them. At most, I would say it is being very distrusting towards those outside her family. As much as I hate using labels like that as a blanket statement or generalization, I am guilty of it from time to time haha.

[Yakko77]

People need to listen to the game dialogue. She was never racist, not even a little bit. She has trust issues with aliens but she does not and has NEVAH hated aliens. Sheesh....

[Versidious]

Yakko77 wrote...

People need to listen to the game dialogue. She was never racist, not even a little bit. She has trust issues with aliens but she does not and has NEVAH hated aliens. Sheesh....

And, because noone else seems to remember/notice this, SHE WAS RIGHT. The other Council races *did* leave humanity to the Reapers, even the Salarians, who didn't have to deal with the Reapers until halfway through the game.

[Scalabrine]

jreezy wrote...

Scalabrine wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Scalabrine wrote...

If you destroy the geth she mocks them, whenever you came back after a geth mission she had some quirky remarks like : "humans 1 blinky lights 0" or something like that. After all that she's been through with shep and all she knows about the geth she should know that they're not the evil race they've been painted as.

You expect a character who's only experience in dealing with Geth is them trying kill her to think they're not "evil"? Lol

I expect a character who knows about geth heretics and the peaceful geth to not be so quick to judge and be a ****. And don't give me that "uhh she couldn't know cuz she wusn't in ME2" crap. If tali came around and accept peace between both races i expect ashley to not be so stupid.

What Tali does is irrelevant. Just because a friend of yours may trust someone doesn't mean you have to trust that person.

Exactly!

And that's why she's stupid and ignorant...After going through all that she went through with shep, she still has that mindset.

That's her role in the game, the constant insecurities and doubts in terms to other species. She represents the ignorance of inter-species relations.

Modifié par Scalabrine, 31 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[Oransel]

People like anti-heroes. For some reason.

[Barquiel]

The dog-bear analogy isn't racist ofc.

But...
"Jealous? Of you? You're not even our species!"
"You want to get involved with some alien? Go ahead."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters."
"I can't tell the difference between aliens and animals."

I don't think you can hand wave all those lines with "trust issues".

She doesn't say...
"I'm no fan of the hierarchy" or "I'm no fan of the council species"
She says...
"I'm no fan of aliens."

I don't think the accusations of racism are always unjustified (in Mass Effect 1 and 2)

[Harbinger1985HU]

I don't hate any of these characters.
Ash don't trust aliens, because of incindent of her granfather. She dislike Terra Firman and Cerberus.
Wrex is a bad-ass character with strong characteristic. He's insult are always fair.
Javik. Hm, he's my favorite character. He looks down every species, because they just wate time and after all their efforts, most of the races in the galaxy doesn't even believe in Reapers. And I love his lines when he recommends "through someone out via airlock".