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[Cyberpunk]

Did anyone here ever decide to side with Anora on your first playthrough when you wanted to actually roleplay? I can never bring myself to side with her because she just is too eager to take advantage and too greedy for power.

I had her locked up in the dungeon both times. And the 2nd time I was hoping the Hardened Alistair could have called for her execution. He only says "If I don't fall in battle, we'll see." Which means that Anora may or may not have been executed after the battle.

Honestly Ser Cauthrain did not even know Anora's side of the story. If Anora backed you up when you confronted Ser Cauthrain, then maybe Ser Cauthrain would have realized that Loghrain is wrong and crazy.

She plays the maiden in distress but then would not hesitate to call for Alistair's execution if she gets the throne.

She is willing to betray her own father to get herself back in power, but if she finds out you will not support her she immediately supports her father again. What this means is that she doesn't even care that her father is wrong. She only cares about power. If she cared about Fereldan and wanted to do what was right no matter what, she would just support the Grey Wardens. But she sides with her father again, after telling you how wrong Loghrain is, when she doesn't get your support for the throne.

Anyway, she always gets sent to prison. And her father has died in all my playthroughs.

Modifié par kooaznboi1088, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:25 .

[Walina]

Branka was more a crazy woman than Anora to my taste.

I was happy to get ride of her.

[Maria Caliban]

I let her rule my first playthrough.



She never backstabbed me because I never backstabbed her. I love the character, and wish there were an Anora romance.

[Original182]

Anora is dangerous in the game of politics. I think Arl Eamon said this, that Anora isn't a friend, and the alliance with her is just one of convenience and is in the best interests of both parties to bring down Loghain.

But despite that, I would support Anora because the Alistair I have never wanted the throne. If Alistair doesn't want the throne, and Anora does, well the outcome is obvious.
I never attempted to harden Alistair because I didn't know such a thing existed.

Edit: Though I am considering putting Alistair on the throne somehow, either himself or by marrying Anora. After putting Anora on the throne in my first game, I hear Arl Eamon comment about the line of Maric or someone is now gone. I felt a bit bad, so maybe I'll give the best for Ferelden this time around.

Modifié par Original182, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:36 .

[Cyberpunk]

Well, Alistair technically is the rightful heir because he is Maric's son. Anora is just a commoner who married the king. And Alistair doesn't want to be the king but accepts it readily if you harden him. Plus Alistair would be a more benevelent king than Anora. Anora massacres the Elves if they riot for food. Alistair appoints an Elf to the city council and grants them equal rights.

[Cyberpunk]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I let her rule my first playthrough.

She never backstabbed me because I never backstabbed her. I love the character, and wish there were an Anora romance.

She never backstabbed you because you let her become Queen. She backstabs you if you  say that Alistair would be what Fereldan needs. (technically not a backstab to Anora because she came to you saying that they needed to defeat her father and the darkspawn, her being queen was never the issue that prompted you to rescue her)

She came to you pleading to be "rescued" because she knew her father was wrong and Fereldan needed to be saved. Would you have rescued her if she said "rescue me so I can be Queen?"

[Mystranna Kelteel]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

She came to you pleading to be "rescued" because she knew her father was wrong and Fereldan needed to be saved. Would you have rescued her if she said "rescue me so I can be Queen?"

I probably would have and still would have appointed her as queen. She's good at what she does. Alistair is a bastard son with no desire for politics. And if you spare Loghain, Alistair shows he's not exactly the pure and innocent benevolent ruler. He's no better than Anora, really.

My first playthrough I chose Anora. My subsequent ones I've been getting them to marry each other.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:44 .

[Original182]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I let her rule my first playthrough.

She never backstabbed me because I never backstabbed her. I love the character, and wish there were an Anora romance.

I want to add to what the OP said. One time in my first game, I told Anora to tell Ser Cauthrien (sp) that Loghain was the one who imprisoned her. But she lied and told Cauthrien that I was the one who imprisoned her or something, and then the fight happened. I don't know what happens next, as I reloaded the game.

So what the OP said is true. Anora will backstab you if it is to protect herself, or is in her best interests.

[Midnight Reyn]

In my playthroughs, I will always have Anora on the throne, because I feel she is a competent and efficient ruler. I may not agree with some of the decisions she makes, but at least she can make the tough decisions. Plus, I like her character. I would have liked to have seen more of both her and Ser Cauthrien.



And I will never kill Ser Cauthrien, on the tiniest of hopes that somewhere in DLC or a future expansion/campaign, she has some sort of involvement beyond the 3 scenes she was given in DA:O.

[Cyberpunk]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

She came to you pleading to be "rescued" because she knew her father was wrong and Fereldan needed to be saved. Would you have rescued her if she said "rescue me so I can be Queen?"

I probably would have and still would have appointed her as queen. She's good at what she does. Alistair is a bastard son with no desire for politics. And if you spare Loghain, Alistair shows he's not exactly the pure and innocent benevolent ruler. He's no better than Anora, really.

My first playthrough I chose Anora. My subsequent ones I've been getting them to marry each other.

I still don't think that leaving because you spare Loghain(the killer of Duncan and Cailan) is on the same level as Anora's greed for power and backstabbing tendencies. Plus really, Alistair would be a better king for Fereldan because he thinks in a Lawful Good sorta way. Anora's only better than Alistair at manipulating people for power. Morrigan can do that too.

[Maria Caliban]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I let her rule my first playthrough.

She never backstabbed me because I never backstabbed her. I love the character, and wish there were an Anora romance.

She never backstabbed you because you let her become Queen. She backstabs you if you  say that Alistair would be what Fereldan needs. (technically not a backstab to Anora because she came to you saying that they needed to defeat her father and the darkspawn, her being queen was never the issue that prompted you to rescue her)

I told her Alistiar was what Ferelden needed, so she agreed to marry Alistiar. Even Alistiar agrees she's a better rular than he'd be, and she has the experience. I have no problem sticking her on the throne.

If your goals are the same as hers, you're an ally. If they're not, then she doesn't help you. Why would I have a problem with this? She's very honest and straight forward about what she wants, and what she'll give you if you help her. If you don't help her, then she works against you, but she tells you that as well.

I'm not saying she's a good person, but I found her fairly forthright.

She came to you pleading to be "rescued" because she knew her father was wrong and Fereldan needed to be saved. Would you have rescued her if she said "rescue me so I can be Queen?"

No, but she's a queen, not a hero.

[Chalenheri]

Ser Cauthrain does know about Lograin. She confesses, when you confront her right before Landthing.

As for Anora. There's only one way for Anora to not betray you: You agree to let her rule and be her loyal slave err husband. And even than I'm sure she'll find a way to betray you as soon as she as a heir.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

I still don't think that leaving because you spare Loghain(the killer of Duncan and Cailan) is on the same level as Anora's greed for power and backstabbing tendencies

I'm not talking about his "leaving", though his leaving is insanely irresponsible as a Grey Warden during a Blight...
His leaving seems more a slap in the face to the Grey Warden "brotherhood" than recruiting Loghain by far. So add hypocrisy to the list.

I'm referring to his sudden attempt to take the throne solely so he could execute Loghain. How's that different from Anora wanting the throne for "personal reasons"? Her "personal reasons" for wantign that power seem a tad more responsible and trustworthy if you ask me.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:55 .

[Cyberpunk]

I think that Alistair is a very humble guy and cannot recognize his potential until he is forced to use it. It says in the Epilogue that Alistair studies the art of governance and rules with an even and fair hand. Plus, he is a popular king and avoids racial tensions by appointing an elf to the council. Sounds very good to me compared to Anora's epilogue where she invades the Alienage and then pisses off the Orlesians by having a statue of her father built near their embassy.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

I think that Alistair is a very humble guy and cannot recognize his potential until he is forced to use it. It says in the Epilogue that Alistair studies the art of governance and rules with an even and fair hand. Plus, he is a popular king and avoids racial tensions by appointing an elf to the council. Sounds very good to me compared to Anora's epilogue where she invades the Alienage and then pisses off the Orlesians by having a statue of her father built near their embassy.

It's easy to make decisions with meta-game knowledge of what the ending is like. You were asking about RPing and the first playthrough. Anora seems much better and much more competent, especially if you don't betray her. She never betrayed me on my first playthrough at all.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:57 .

[Maria Caliban]

Original182 wrote...

I want to add to what the OP said. One time in my first game, I told Anora to tell Ser Cauthrien (sp) that Loghain was the one who imprisoned her. But she lied and told Cauthrien that I was the one who imprisoned her or something, and then the fight happened. I don't know what happens next, as I reloaded the game.

So what the OP said is true. Anora will backstab you if it is to protect herself, or is in her best interests.

Yes, but this was after she explicitly told you that she was in fear of her life from her father and she didn't want anyone to know who she was until you reached the Arl.

When Loghain's second-in-command shows up, you promptly rat Anora out. And let us be clear, Ser Cauthrien's actions to this point suggested she's completely loyal to Loghain.

Given that she claims to fear for her life (it might not be true, but that is what she's said) and you've just done something she sees as endangering her life, she decides you're a poor ally. You've backstabbed her so she's no longer oblidged to work with you.

[Cyberpunk]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

I still don't think that leaving because you spare Loghain(the killer of Duncan and Cailan) is on the same level as Anora's greed for power and backstabbing tendencies

I'm not talking about his "leaving", though his leaving is insanely irresponsible as a Grey Warden during a Blight...
His leaving seems more a slap in the face to the Grey Warden "brotherhood" than recruiting Loghain by far. So add hypocrisy to the list.

I'm referring to his sudden attempt to take the throne solely so he could execute Loghain. How's that different from Anora wanting the throne for "personal reasons"? Her "personal reasons" for wantign that power seem a tad more responsible and trustworthy if you ask me.

I remember now. Although I would not say Anora's reasons are more responsible. Anora is power hungry and takes the throne for selfish reasons. Alistair would make a fine king too. But in that case, Alistair wants revenge. And I think that revenge is a little bit more honorable than greed...

[Maria Caliban]

Chalenheri wrote...

Ser Cauthrain does know about Lograin. She confesses, when you confront her right before Landthing.
As for Anora. There's only one way for Anora to not betray you: You agree to let her rule and be her loyal slave err husband. And even than I'm sure she'll find a way to betray you as soon as she as a heir.

Right. Did you notice the gender of some of the people in this thread? 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...
Alistair would make a fine king too. But in that case, Alistair wants revenge. And I think that revenge is a little bit more honorable than greed...

Really? Wanting to take the throne so you can kill a man is more honorable than wanting to take the throne because you're already the Queen and want to serve the kingdom?

[Cyberpunk]

And if Anora was in fear of her life from her father...than why would she support him at the Landsmeet just because you do not support her as Queen? You were her "rescuer" from her father after all.

[Gold Dragon]

How does one get her into the Dungeon? I just completed it first time, and had Alistair (you don't need to gues the ending) for champion, and he sent her to the tower.......



Personally, I'd have her in the dungeon, and "accidentally" drop poison into her water...... *evil grin*

[TuringPoint]

Greed for revenge?

[Cyberpunk]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

How does one get her into the Dungeon? I just completed it first time, and had Alistair (you don't need to gues the ending) for champion, and he sent her to the tower.......

Personally, I'd have her in the dungeon, and "accidentally" drop poison into her water...... *evil grin*

Sorry I assume that there is a dungeon in the tower. Think Tower of London

Modifié par kooaznboi1088, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:05 .

[Maria Caliban]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

And if Anora was in fear of her life from her father...than why would she support him at the Landsmeet just because you do not support her as Queen? You were her "rescuer" from her father after all.

I didn't say Anora feared for her life. I said that she just told you that she feared for her life.

If I tell you 'I'm allergic to nuts' and you then serve me a peanut butter sandwich, I think it's far for me to decide I don't want you as a best buddy. Yes, even if I lied and I'm only allergic to macaroons.

That said, it’s very possible Anora only fears for her life if she’s in opposition to Loghian. He’s not going to kill her if she backs him at the Landsmeet. He might kill her if she’s found sneaking to Arl Eamon’s house with a certan Grey Warden.

[Original182]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Yes, but this was after she explicitly told you that she was in fear of her life from her father and she didn't want anyone to know who she was until you reached the Arl.

When Loghain's second-in-command shows up, you promptly rat Anora out. And let us be clear, Ser Cauthrien's actions to this point suggested she's completely loyal to Loghain.

Given that she claims to fear for her life (it might not be true, but that is what she's said) and you've just done something she sees as endangering her life, she decides you're a poor ally. You've backstabbed her so she's no longer oblidged to work with you.

I cannot remember the exact scene, but I was almost sure Cauthrien already knew Anora was there. But even if what you say is true, that is a very thinly-veiled definition of backstab.
A backstab would be me pretending to help Anora, then turn her in to Loghain. I wasn't trying to rat her out, I just wanted her to tell the truth so that we could avoid the fight. But because she lied, a fight ensued.

The only other alternative to prevent the fight was to turn myself in.

In any case Anora is still dangerous. I think she will backstab even you to get the job done, just that there wasn't any reason for her to do it.

Edit: Consider what Anora would do if Cauthrien discovers Anora out of her own searching. What would Anora do? Yes, she would place blame on the Grey Warden to escape.

Modifié par Original182, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:12 .