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[Shahadem]

Whoever came up with the Kai Leng character should be shot, drawn and quatered.

I was so frustrated by his aura of incompetency that I literally punch a hole into my monitor.

Why the fark do we not kill him when we first encounter him on the Citadel when he is fighting Thane? He's clearly a craptastic and unskilled Assassin if he can be beaten by a nearly dead Drell, and we have guns while he was lying there prone on the ground. I've shot people for less. This was unbearably stupid.

Next we fight him on the car, I should have fun. And then to make things worse he shoves a normal metal sword through the top of the car which apparently houses important electronics that make it crash. Unbearably stupid.

Then he boards multiple elevators all housed in one elevator shaft that magically move faster than the elevator I am using to chase him. Once again unbearably stupid.

Next he appears when I am at Thessia. Rather than simply kiling him outright I let him walk around free as a bird while the Illusive Man gives us his monologue and for some completely unbelieveably stupid reason I sit there and listen to it knowing full well that I don't give a damn what he has to say and really need to make sure I get the information on the Catalyst is now sitting 2 fing feet in front of my face. Unbearably stupid.

And the icing on the cake  is when he becomes magically immune to biotics/tech even though he has no shields left and is apparently using a godmode cheat code. The complete totality of the stupidity behind this character's magical invincibility despite his demonstrated lack of fighting ability is when I finally could not take it anymore and lost a monitor and cut up my hand, Luckily the monitor was on the fritz and needed to be replaced so it wasn't a huge loss.

Once he got away on Thessia I just couldn't take it and had to quit the game for the day, maybe the weekend or even the rest of the month until I forget how awful that was.

Modifié par Shahadem, 24 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Gunslinger01101]

But its so satisfying when you get to break his stupid sword, stab his stupid face, and say "for thane."

[Fortack]

He definitely is the worst ME character and enemy.

He looks like a complete idiot, acts like one, fights like one, and "fighting back" is dull beyond belief.

The person who designed him should commit suicide in the traditional Japanese way. Maybe Kai Leng's sword can be useful after all

[Gunslinger01101]

Nah, I broke it. And I already sepukued his ass with my omni-blade.

[Naoe]

I agree with OP. Unfortunately KL is not alone. He has many "friends" in ME3...

[Quething]

I agree that he's far more laughable than imposing, but my biggest problem with him is actually not him per se. It's that he's the single most glaring, severe, repeated and extended example of "lol Shepard is a soldier, duh" in the entire game.

My Shep is a vanguard. My Shep cannot be outrun. No dramatic chase scene on foot makes any sense whatsoever when you have Charge. No door closing half a second too fast or floor collapsing before you can leap to safety makes any sense when you have Charge. No idiotic taunting about how "slow" Shepard is moving compared to her opponent makes any sense when it procs in the middle of Charging across the room at sonic velocity.

It's really not better with any other biotic Shep. You can't outrun Pull or duck into a helicopter to escape when you're getting knocked on your ass by a Throw or Shockwave, and that collector ship bubble that any biotic is capable of sustaining for fifteen to twenty minutes under duress would be hard to shoot an ambassador through.

I mean I realize that obviously not every Shep has these abilities, in fact most don't, so it wouldn't make sense from a resource perspective to write a completely different scene or plot to accommodate them, but that's why you write a compliant scene in the first damn place. Nothing that would work to escape from a biotic Shep wouldn't work in escaping a soldier or tech Shep. And that neatly accounts for biotic squadmates inexplicably not using their skills as well.

[termokanden]

The faults you mentioned are not really with KLs story but the ME3 plot that surrounds him. Why don't you kill him earlier? Because then he couldn't come back and annoy you on Thessia. That's pretty much why. It's the usual stuff. Why do people always go out into the woods all by themselves in horror movies?

It's painfully obvious and it did annoy me as well. But at least his death scene was somewhat satisfying.

[muse108]

Yeah.... I didnt read the books so I have no idea who hes suppose to be but his story is extremely weak in ME3. He isnt the enemy I want to be facing, hes only there to give you a main Cerberus opponent. You can tell hes been shoehorned in a bit in place of the reaperized illusive man (which I am so glad they cut)

[Starspiral]

Shahadem wrote...

Whoever came up with the Kai Leng character should be shot, drawn and quatered.

Personally, I think they should be drawn and quartered first.
They should only be shot afterwards if they promise not to do it again.

[call_it_taxidermy]

As soon as that dainty little ninja blade came out, I knew I had encountered a space douche of epic proportions. I mean really? I have a god damn NANO MACHETE IN MY ARM, COOL GUY. Do the freakin math.

... sorry, just had to get that out.

[AntonioA9011]

Starspiral wrote...

Shahadem wrote...

Whoever came up with the Kai Leng character should be shot, drawn and quatered.

Personally, I think they should be drawn and quartered first.
They should only be shot afterwards if they promise not to do it again.

This

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Kai Leng himself is awful, but I have to disagree with you guys and say that I never hated BW for that. I needed somebody totally terrible to crush, and I got it through Leng. I'd rather think of Leng as one of the elements of ME3 that accomplished exactly what it was intended to, that is, a character everyone loves to hate.

[PaddlePop]

Shahadem wrote...

Whoever came up with the Kai Leng character should be shot, drawn and quatered.

I was so frustrated by his aura of incompetency that I literally punch a hole into my monitor.

Why the fark do we not kill him when we first encounter him on the Citadel when he is fighting Thane? He's clearly a craptastic and unskilled Assassin if he can be beaten by a nearly dead Drell, and we have guns while he was lying there prone on the ground. I've shot people for less. This was unbearably stupid.

Next we fight him on the car, I should have fun. And then to make things worse he shoves a normal metal sword through the top of the car which apparently houses important electronics that make it crash. Unbearably stupid.

Then he boards multiple elevators all housed in one elevator shaft that magically move faster than the elevator I am using to chase him. Once again unbearably stupid.

Next he appears when I am at Thessia. Rather than simply kiling him outright I let him walk around free as a bird while the Illusive Man gives us his monologue and for some completely unbelieveably stupid reason I sit there and listen to it knowing full well that I don't give a damn what he has to say and really need to make sure I get the information on the Catalyst is now sitting 2 fing feet in front of my face. Unbearably stupid.

And the icing on the cake  is when he becomes magically immune to biotics/tech even though he has no shields left and is apparently using a godmode cheat code. The complete totality of the stupidity behind this character's magical invincibility despite his demonstrated lack of fighting ability is when I finally could not take it anymore and lost a monitor and cut up my hand, Luckily the monitor was on the fritz and needed to be replaced so it wasn't a huge loss.

Once he got away on Thessia I just couldn't take it and had to quit the game for the day, maybe the weekend or even the rest of the month until I forget how awful that was.

I couldn't have said it better. What's even worse is that he's as one dimensional as that dreadful Darth Maul character in that pathetic Star Wars prequel, Phantom Menace.  It might have been better if they had introduced him in ME2 as a squad mate. Where Miranda eventually sees Cerberus as you do, Kai Lang remains deviantly loyal, and in essence becomes a tragic character.  A friend or nemesis who can never redeem himself.  

Better yet, Miranda could have been the Kai Lang character. Now that would have been a sad twist...

Instead we get typical pathetic Bioware writing... with a crap addon character that has no redeeming qualities. Hey look he's a typical Cobra villain from Gi Joe...

Christ, my 5 year old daughter can do better than these incompetent fools.

[Praetor Knight]

Kai Leng is simply a tool, he's supposed to be hate-able I thought.

[JasmoVT]

Nothing worse than a weak, laughable character wrapped in plot armor. If you want to make a villain make a villain.

[JamieCOTC]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Kai Leng is simply a tool, he's supposed to be hate-able I thought.

True, but I think he was supposed to be a character we love to hate, not just hate. To be honest, I don't hate him.  He's just sort of meh. The only part of his plot I liked was TIM's "We'll see." 

[digby69]

If you've read the mass effect books you would understand him and his character better, there is a lot of back story in the books. if not I agree he looks a bit of a tool in me3.

[sonogi]

i disagree. the two Kai Leng encounters (Asari homeworld and Cerb base) are epic.

the email he sends you though is hilarious.

[AntonioA9011]

Originally, Kai Leng was supposed to manipulate the VS to kill Shepard because Shepard killed the VS's partner on Eden Prime when looking for the Prothean. Kai Leng was supposed to talk your ear off before getting into an actual fight with him, a fight you lose no matter what as the Reapers destroy Thessia outside the temple. A beam was supposed to come crashing down on Shepard and Kai Leng escaped with an artifact. As the temple began to crumble, Shepard would only be allowed to save either the VS or Liara.

I wonder why Bioware took that out.

[JamieCOTC]

digby69 wrote...

If you've read the mass effect books you would understand him and his character better, there is a lot of back story in the books. if not I agree he looks a bit of a tool in me3.

I've read all but Deception and still thought he was meh.  Anderson mentioning his previous encounter was a nice touch, but they didn't build on Leng's character at all. He's supposed to be extremely xenophobic, fights dirty and completely loyal to TIM. I didn't get any of that in ME3.

[Nerevar-as]

sonogi wrote...

i disagree. the two Kai Leng encounters (Asari homeworld and Cerb base) are epic.

the email he sends you though is hilarious.

That he acted as if he had kicked my ass when he had to use a gunship to get the upper hand was quite funny. What an idiot. Otherwise it was pretty epic in the base when we got tangled into melee and I punched him away.

But as these kind of enemies go, he´s rather pathetic. At least Darth Maul and the Balrog caused key developments with their actions.

[JamieCOTC]

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Originally, Kai Leng was supposed to manipulate the VS to kill Shepard because Shepard killed the VS's partner on Eden Prime when looking for the Prothean. Kai Leng was supposed to talk your ear off before getting into an actual fight with him, a fight you lose no matter what as the Reapers destroy Thessia outside the temple. A beam was supposed to come crashing down on Shepard and Kai Leng escaped with an artifact. As the temple began to crumble, Shepard would only be allowed to save either the VS or Liara.

I wonder why Bioware took that out.

In the "Final Hours of ME3" app it explains that the original Prothrean plot was cut due to time constraints.  They had already extended the deadline and couldn't (or wouldn't) do so again. 

[ohnotherancor]

Quething wrote...

I agree that he's far more laughable than imposing, but my biggest problem with him is actually not him per se. It's that he's the single most glaring, severe, repeated and extended example of "lol Shepard is a soldier, duh" in the entire game.

My Shep is a vanguard. My Shep cannot be outrun. No dramatic chase scene on foot makes any sense whatsoever when you have Charge. No door closing half a second too fast or floor collapsing before you can leap to safety makes any sense when you have Charge. No idiotic taunting about how "slow" Shepard is moving compared to her opponent makes any sense when it procs in the middle of Charging across the room at sonic velocity.

It's really not better with any other biotic Shep. You can't outrun Pull or duck into a helicopter to escape when you're getting knocked on your ass by a Throw or Shockwave, and that collector ship bubble that any biotic is capable of sustaining for fifteen to twenty minutes under duress would be hard to shoot an ambassador through.

I mean I realize that obviously not every Shep has these abilities, in fact most don't, so it wouldn't make sense from a resource perspective to write a completely different scene or plot to accommodate them, but that's why you write a compliant scene in the first damn place. Nothing that would work to escape from a biotic Shep wouldn't work in escaping a soldier or tech Shep. And that neatly accounts for biotic squadmates inexplicably not using their skills as well.

Oh my god, this. I was so frustrated during the Mars chase and the Kai Leng fights when the game arbitrarily decided that Charge wasn't an option.

"Forget the fact that Charge can stagger Atlases and Banshees, this robot and Kai Leng are totally immune!"
/facepalm

At least it was satisfying to stab him "for Thane".

JamieCOTC wrote...

I've read all
but Deception and still thought he was meh.  Anderson mentioning his
previous encounter was a nice touch, but they didn't build on Leng's
character at all. He's supposed to be extremely xenophobic, fights dirty
and completely loyal to TIM. I didn't get any of that in ME3.

I never read the books, but the gunship and his hanging on TIM's every word gave me the sense that he fought dirty and was unquestionably loyal to TIM. I don't think his xenophobia was ever apparent, though. He did work for Cerberus, but so did Kelly. Miranda and Jacob never came off as extreme xenophobes either.

Modifié par x0hn0th3r4nc0rx, 24 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[adawg828]

I just stabbed him.