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[TeaKae421]

I couldn't stand him from the moment he entered the story, but the upside is that because I hated him so much, I REALLY wanted to kill him and if a bad guy is going to suck, the least he can do is make you hate him.

So I give KL a slight win in that respect.

[luckyloser_62]

TeaKae421 wrote...

I couldn't stand him from the moment he entered the story, but the upside is that because I hated him so much, I REALLY wanted to kill him and if a bad guy is going to suck, the least he can do is make you hate him.

So I give KL a slight win in that respect.

I agree, breaking his sword then stabbing him was the most satifying kill in the game for me. I just wished I could have used my biotic palm of death to kill him instead of the omni blade.

[Mr.Kingsnake]

My favorite part is when he's bleeding to death and shuffling around but he's so self-absorbed that he still thinks that he can sneak-attack Shep.

[dielveio]

Kill him with the omni-blade is nice, but I would love to toss him on the floor and smash his head like Shepard do with husks.

[Exodus2000]

LBKL

guess what that means.

[kyles3]

I'm not particularly impressed with Kai Leng, but I appreciate the purpose he serves in the storyline. Shepard bouncing back from a loss and storming the Illusive Man's base to get the Catalyst back was one of the most compelling arcs in the game.

[Alesteir]

Some of you are being beyond hostile to the writer's of Kai Leng stop it calling for someone to commit suicide or be shot for writing something you dislike is beyond childish. As for Kai leng yes he seemed....out of place Given the sword as a trademark weapon but I enjoyed the plot's with him beside's that since they tried making Kai Leng into Cerberus's version of Shepard. It didn't come off fully as that but I understood what they tried.

[Havokk7]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Kai Leng is simply a tool, he's supposed to be hate-able I thought.

The problem is that I don't hate him for his character or actions; I hate him for the plot-immunity the developers gave him. Plot-immunity is a crutch to support poor writing. I expect better writing from Bioware.

Seriously, he escapes in a car while I have a rifle capable of taking down Geth Juggernauts?

[RubiconI7]

I actually feel that this goes to show that the writers created a pretty successful character (minus the plotholes) to garner so much hate.

However, the game failed to craft a rounded character in him. Had to rely on the books that many did not read. He felt more like a stock bad guy than an assassin. (Thane Illium entrance anyone？）

[Aurora313]

What I wish you could have done is have a full on fistfight with the bastard. Weapons aside, just a good old fashioned brawl between 2 N7 trained officers. Basically a cutscene laid out like the Spar with Vega, Paragon interrupts for dodges, Renegade for attacks.

It would have been fun to see, and no matter what, Shepard would get stabbed the first time. Fight to a standstill the second and return the favour on the third and final time.

[Ishiken]

The Thessia encounter was terribly written. The way to let Kai Leng get away was to actually have Shepard interrupt him right before he finishes downloading the data. He gets up into the gunship and we try to get to him. But he sends his 2 ninja chicks with like a few assault troops and an Atlas or something to delay Shepard so he gets away. It would have made sense while not making every non-Soldier Shepard look like a fool. The fight would have been more interesting as well besides just keep spamming Throw on him to stagger him so he can't close to me.

Modifié par Ishiken, 27 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[david46]

Kai Leng's writer suffers from seeing too many movies, and applying their tropes to the cinematic sequences. Should have watched more cartoons instead. If these sequences were meant to be dramatic and exciting, they turned out comedic.

In reality a sniper puts a bullet between his eyes as he poses and Thane is never hurt. Oh and where did I get the pistol I never carry that can't hit anything.

A competent shuttle driver scrapes the Leng bug off the roof on the citadel support. That would have been epic. But NO, Shep flies way under the support and Leng gets to do his thing and we end up with an epic fail.

If Shep had watched more movies he would have known Leng had to get up again to kill you as you back is turned. I almost woke up the family by laughing so hard.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

Straw_foot wrote...

Space Ninjas were a bad idea.

Agreed. Dump Harbinger for...that? Killing him did feel good though. S O B.

[PaperAlien]

I have a feeling they added his entire ****ty character just to set up the awesome stabbing him in the end, I mean, I can replay that scene endless times.

[All-a-Mort]

The Kai Leng plot could've been improved if after Thane stops the Salarian council member being assassinated and Kai Leng reports his failure to TIM, it cut to TIM eating a bowl of cheerios. Actually when Shep kills him and says 'That was for Thane', I was mentally thinking 'Put that in your bowl and add milk!''

[Emeraldfern]

I'm on the Kai Leng is a tool bandwagon but the thing that stood out to me the most was close to what Queething said:

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I agree that he's far more laughable than imposing, but my biggest problem with him is actually not him per se. It's that he's the single most glaring, severe, repeated and extended example of "lol Shepard is a soldier, duh" in the entire game.

My Shep is a vanguard. My Shep cannot be outrun. No dramatic chase scene on foot makes any sense whatsoever when you have Charge. No door closing half a second too fast or floor collapsing before you can leap to safety makes any sense when you have Charge. No idiotic taunting about how "slow" Shepard is moving compared to her opponent makes any sense when it procs in the middle of Charging across the room at sonic velocity.

It's really not better with any other biotic Shep. You can't outrun Pull or duck into a helicopter to escape when you're getting knocked on your ass by a Throw or Shockwave, and that collector ship bubble that any biotic is capable of sustaining for fifteen to twenty minutes under duress would be hard to shoot an ambassador through.

I mean I realize that obviously not every Shep has these abilities, in fact most don't, so it wouldn't make sense from a resource perspective to write a completely different scene or plot to accommodate them, but that's why you write a compliant scene in the first damn place. Nothing that would work to escape from a biotic Shep wouldn't work in escaping a soldier or tech Shep. And that neatly accounts for biotic squadmates inexplicably not using their skills as well.

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Granted my character is an Infiltrator but I mean, Tactical cloak + Black Widow? My Shep wouldn't have missed that shot and that shot would go right through that barrier. Heck, The tech ability Overload could probably cripple his cybernetic implants. I know suspension of disbelief, but..twice?
Err No.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 27 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[stysiaq]

I know that it may sound silly, but did people complain about Saren's Virmire plot armor?

(remembering that Saren is a great villain and KL is generic)

[CroGamer002]

I'm the only one thinks Kai Leng is a good villain, right?

[JosieJ]

david46 wrote...

A competent shuttle driver scrapes the Leng bug off the roof on the citadel support. That would have been epic. But NO, Shep flies way under the support and Leng gets to do his thing and we end up with an epic fail.

My first playthrough, I was actually shouting "SCRAPE HIM OFF!" at my TV.  My family thought I lost my mind!  (They may be right. )

Modifié par JosieJ, 27 mars 2012 - 05:14 .

[Woodstock-TC]

it was again bringing a Manga or Final Fantasy Character to a Bioware Universe. Felt like when i encountered the first time Fenris. Couldnt kill him either (until the very end when finally after all that trashtalk he died in 2 seconds)
every encounter with Leng was just like watching a bad movie unroll, unable to do anything with the character i was driving. No interrupt event, nothing. Just stay there and watch how stupid you are + lame cutscene power. Killing Leng was the only good scene.
i would have been most upset about leng and the lack of choices in these or generally during the me3 progress, if the ending wouldnt have anyway overshadowed everything else leaving me with no deisre to reply or generally rant about smth in the first wk ... also cant say i was surprised.. the arrival dlc already featured a shepard on autopilot

Modifié par Woodstock-TC, 27 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[LoganofET]

[quote]PaddlePop wrote...

[quote]Shahadem wrote...

Instead we get typical pathetic Bioware writing... with a crap addon character that has no redeeming qualities. Hey look he's a typical Cobra villain from Gi Joe...[quote]



It would all be worth it if after being stopped by thane he screamed "COBRA! REEEETREEEEEAT!"

Modifié par LoganofET, 28 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[anmiro]

I hated Kai Leng so much, but not in the way that you mean. I didn't think he was anymore incompetant than any other bad guy in every movie or video game where the good guy wins. I thought he was a better bad guy than Saren. I never really hated Saren; if anything I just pittied the guy. But, my hatred and view of Kai Leng was established in the books; if I hadn't read them I might have agreed with you.

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

termokanden wrote...

The faults you mentioned are not really with KLs story but the ME3 plot that surrounds him. Why don't you kill him earlier? Because then he couldn't come back and annoy you on Thessia. That's pretty much why. It's the usual stuff. Why do people always go out into the woods all by themselves in horror movies?

It's painfully obvious and it did annoy me as well. But at least his death scene was somewhat satisfying.

True, but I'm annoyed that it wasn't handled better. It's just so blatant--he's some kind of nonsensical god in cutscenes, but in gameplay, the only thing keeping him from being mincemeat (even on Insanity) is literal invincibility.

And then there's the whole aircar scene on the Citadel--I mean, if his barriers are so stupidly powerful enough to take an entire clip from a HAND CANNON without even a hint of damage, then why doesn't he just charge straight into battle and kill everyone? 

Or his sword somehow disabling an aircar with a single stab. Sheprad doesn't even try to hit him with biotics or a cuncussive shot to knock him off...come on!

I know railroading is VERY hard to do well when the player can be one of six classes with unique and powerful abilities,  but there ARE ways to do it (like, for instance, briefly showing a trio of phantoms dropping down to engage Shepard and his team while Thane fights Kai Leng) in simple and cheap ways.

The Kai Leng boss fight could have been made a lot more credible, too. Like having TWO gunships in the fight--one of which you have to destroy and will kill you with missiles if you stay behind the same piece of cover (thus making the player's inability to kill Leng while he's "recharging" believable).

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

Havokk7 wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Kai Leng is simply a tool, he's supposed to be hate-able I thought.

The problem is that I don't hate him for his character or actions; I hate him for the plot-immunity the developers gave him. Plot-immunity is a crutch to support poor writing. I expect better writing from Bioware.

Seriously, he escapes in a car while I have a rifle capable of taking down Geth Juggernauts?

Yup. It's kind of telling that he has cutscene power to the MAX (and your character has cutscene incompetence whenever he's around), and in every fight with him, he's LITERALLY invincible...until the very end of the final fight, where he goes down easily in seconds.

TURNS OUT TRYING TO BE A "COOL NINJA" WHEN THE OTHER SIDE HAS GUNS, TECH, AND BIOTICS IS A SUICIDAL STRATEGY. WHO KNEW?

[PlatypusAssasin]

I thought he was a 'saren type character', an enemy that you meet on a few occasions till you finally kill him, giving a face to the enemy, but a lot less thought out. I miss saren, he was a good villain character, an opposite to Shepard but with reasoning behind it, not just a complete fool.