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[Seloun]

I feel like the biggest problem is actually that there's no build up for his character.

In particular you never see him act particularly competently, even in cutscenes. The first encounter most players are going to have with him is him failing to accomplish any of his objectives during the attack on the Citadel.

I'm surprised they didn't give him some 'wins' beffore having him meet Shepard. If he'd gone on some kind of rampage before the failed assassination attempt, the player might have felt fortunate that they barely fended him off this time.

Things he could have been shown doing:
- Assassinated the previous Primarch before Shepard got there - shows up out of nowhere behind the Primarch in middle of a Turian squad, cutaway, Kai Leng is gone and the Primarch falls to the floor
- Enabling Cerberus's attack on the Salarian homeworld - lots of dead STG on the floor as you see a cutaway of him destroying AA gun controls or power generators - or killing a salarian dalatress
- Killing Krogan scouts on Tuchanka as he destroys the path for the convoy during the attack on the Reaper Destroyer

Basically the player has no fear of him, because he accomplishes nothing useful before meeting him, where for most players he accomplishes nothing useful.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Seloun wrote...

I feel like the biggest problem is actually that there's no build up for his character.

In particular you never see him act particularly competently, even in cutscenes. The first encounter most players are going to have with him is him failing to accomplish any of his objectives during the attack on the Citadel.

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Basically the player has no fear of him, because he accomplishes nothing useful before meeting him, where for most players he accomplishes nothing useful.

I don't think too much buildup is necessary for a guy who kills Thane/Kirrahae/Miranda - I see him more as a weapon of the illusive man than an actual villain in his own right- I don't think he needs a rich backstory as his role is limited mostly to killing people and fighting shepard on behalf of the organization which has been trying to mess with shepard all game.

[MadCat221]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Seloun wrote...

I feel like the biggest problem is actually that there's no build up for his character.

In particular you never see him act particularly competently, even in cutscenes. The first encounter most players are going to have with him is him failing to accomplish any of his objectives during the attack on the Citadel.

.....

Basically the player has no fear of him, because he accomplishes nothing useful before meeting him, where for most players he accomplishes nothing useful.

I don't think too much buildup is necessary for a guy who kills Thane/Kirrahae/Miranda - I see him more as a weapon of the illusive man than an actual villain in his own right- I don't think he needs a rich backstory as his role is limited mostly to killing people and fighting shepard on behalf of the organization which has been trying to mess with shepard all game.

Ehrm... The Citadel Coup was supposed to be a quick minimal-blood job.  However, Kai Lame's penchant to go "WHARRGARBL ALIENS" turned it into a bloodbath that wantonly and indiscriminantly targeted civilians.

He is not a "weapon" in the way Thane was to his employers.  That Timmay would retain such a reckless agent is perplexing.

Modifié par MadCat221, 30 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[mrotton]

I truly wanted to punch my monitor on Thessia. The contrived fight that ended up giving him god mode drove me nuts. I almost screamed when my adept started shooting assault rifle (that I didn't have equipped) at him, rather then actually using a biotic power heaven forbid.

[Cadence of the Planes]

He is not a "weapon" in the way Thane was to his employers.  That Timmay would retain such a reckless agent is perplexing.

I don't think it's so perplexing- the pattern has been there from the start of the illusive man having good intent, questionable means, and ending up with more than he asked for (Shepard, the Reapers, Kai Leng). He seems inclined to take big risks.

[ebevan91]

mrotton wrote...

I truly wanted to punch my monitor on Thessia. The contrived fight that ended up giving him god mode drove me nuts. I almost screamed when my adept started shooting assault rifle (that I didn't have equipped) at him, rather then actually using a biotic power heaven forbid.

It's worse when you're kicking his ass and then he turns into god mode. I was using Adrenaline Rush with my distruptor ammo'd Black Widow.

[Eugenious]

His voice pissed me off...... I shoulda been able to deal with him on Thessia...but nooooo. He had to hack and be invincible. (Well for the story line to go on..but overalll he was as annoying as that reporter Diana....AlderS?

[MadCat221]

ebevan91 wrote...

mrotton wrote...

I truly wanted to punch my monitor on Thessia. The contrived fight that ended up giving him god mode drove me nuts. I almost screamed when my adept started shooting assault rifle (that I didn't have equipped) at him, rather then actually using a biotic power heaven forbid.

It's worse when you're kicking his ass and then he turns into god mode. I was using Adrenaline Rush with my distruptor ammo'd Black Widow.

For me and probably other 'Guards, it was Charge/Nova spam.  He was my lil' **** 'till cutscene power to the max saved him.

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

I
don't think it's so perplexing- the pattern has been there from the
start of the illusive man having good intent, questionable means, and
ending up with more than he asked for (Shepard, the Reapers, Kai Leng).
He seems inclined to take big risks.

Cerberus is burning down all the trees to save the forest.  But only the oaks.  To hell with the pines, spruces, maples, etc.

Modifié par MadCat221, 30 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[geckosentme]

Shahadem wrote...

Whoever came up with the Kai Leng character should be shot, drawn and quatered.

I was so frustrated by his aura of incompetency that I literally punch a hole into my monitor.

Why the fark do we not kill him when we first encounter him on the Citadel when he is fighting Thane? He's clearly a craptastic and unskilled Assassin if he can be beaten by a nearly dead Drell, and we have guns while he was lying there prone on the ground. I've shot people for less. This was unbearably stupid.

Next we fight him on the car, I should have fun. And then to make things worse he shoves a normal metal sword through the top of the car which apparently houses important electronics that make it crash. Unbearably stupid.

Then he boards multiple elevators all housed in one elevator shaft that magically move faster than the elevator I am using to chase him. Once again unbearably stupid.

Next he appears when I am at Thessia. Rather than simply kiling him outright I let him walk around free as a bird while the Illusive Man gives us his monologue and for some completely unbelieveably stupid reason I sit there and listen to it knowing full well that I don't give a damn what he has to say and really need to make sure I get the information on the Catalyst is now sitting 2 fing feet in front of my face. Unbearably stupid.

And the icing on the cake  is when he becomes magically immune to biotics/tech even though he has no shields left and is apparently using a godmode cheat code. The complete totality of the stupidity behind this character's magical invincibility despite his demonstrated lack of fighting ability is when I finally could not take it anymore and lost a monitor and cut up my hand, Luckily the monitor was on the fritz and needed to be replaced so it wasn't a huge loss.

Once he got away on Thessia I just couldn't take it and had to quit the game for the day, maybe the weekend or even the rest of the month until I forget how awful that was.

You forgot how he has three phantoms in the elevator then runs away because bailey and one other random c-sec guy show up.  He is certainly the cheapest, most boring, derivative enemy in the whole series.  Supposedly so awesome but always seems to spawn mooks for himself so he can recharge.

[tonnactus]

Most of the cerberus plots dont make any sense. Why bother with take over the citadel council or sabotage the genophage cure when controlling the reapers would make all those things obsolete?
Its not that the reapers could have been beaten in a conventional war anyway(or the crucible wouldnt be needed in the first place).
They rather should have increased the variety of reaper enemies or even introduced some salarian fanatics who would try to stop curing the genophage.

The whole storywriting, not just the endings alone are are just dumb more often then not.

Modifié par tonnactus, 30 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[geckosentme]

Shahadem wrote...


But it wasn't just Kai Leng I ahted, but the moping Shephard did afterwards as if she had actually been beaten by him when in reality she was only beaten by bad writing.

This.  This is a problem.  I don't see Shepard having all those mopey conversations esp.  with Joker and Anderson...I mean didn't this person survive the Akuze/Whatever/Skylian Blitz thing.  Shepard is no stranger to death or losing or impossible odds.  S/he doesn't need to be consoled by anybody.

[Cadence of the Planes]

tonnactus wrote...

Most of the cerberus plots dont make any sense. Why bother with take over the citadel council or sabotage the genophage cure when controlling the reapers would make all those things obsolete?
Its not that the reapers could have been beaten in a conventional war anyway(or the crucible wouldnt be needed in the first place).
They rather should have increased the variety of reaper enemies or even introduced some salarian fanatics who would try to stop curing the genophage.

Um.. I thought this was thoroughly addressed- Cerberus wants the citadel because as far as they know, the citadel is the catalyst. They want to sabotage the genophage because a horde of Krogans might actually be tough enough to successfully repel a reaper attack(s). 

Both points were mentioned in the game.

[tonnactus]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...


Um.. I thought this was thoroughly addressed- Cerberus wants the citadel because as far as they know, the citadel is the catalyst.

The attempt to takeover of the citadel happened before shepard went to thessia. So how could they know what the catalyst is???

They want to sabotage the genophage because a horde of Krogans might actually be tough enough to successfully repel a reaper attack(s). 

Its actually dumb enough to believe that the low number of existing krogans would make any difference even in ground battles.All they can do at best is to fight reaper ground forces like marauders etc. They for sure not make any difference in space battles because they didnt have any fleet and same is true for reaper destroyers because they also didnt have many tanks,cannons whatever.

[BatmanPWNS]

He wasn't explained in depth and is extremely easy to kill. He has a thing for chasing squadmates 24/7 and ignoring me.

[Atheist Peace]

My problems with Kai Leng.

1.He looks stupid, like some kind of anime character. I just cant take him seriously.
2.He's not intimiditating at all.
3.He uses a sword. I honestly cringed the first time i saw this.
4.He just doesn't seem to "fit" the ME universe, its like he's making a cameo from a capcom game.
5.When we finally do get to fight him he's a total joke on both occasions.

[IElitePredatorI]

He is like one of them guys in some anime who is surposed to be some serious badass but he really isn't, you just laugh at him.

[Daidarus]

I read the books and I still don't like how they build him up to be this equal-to-you rival. I see a person who didn't read the books going "Why the hell does Shep consider this random ninja such a dangerous rival."
I felt he was slapped on and that it was done so badly they had to use other characters (Anderson & Hackett) to even try and solidify him as a major enemy. Which I never even came to think of him as anyway.

[rpgfan321]

I read the books and his character was waaay to shallow in ME3. He came off as almost jealous of Shepard. Maybe it's his presentation and everything, but Kai Leng just really came off as shallow.

Some of his lines... just sounded cocky, but I thought he was more of the silent, brooding type from the book. Even though that renegade option is extremely satisfying, but the boss fight and encounters were not ... good or mind blowing. At all.

[LockeHunter]

 I wasn't so bothered by the type of character he was- anime-dude with a sword- but his part in this game became more and more sad.

I think it started with that email. It was annoying and it made him sound like a little b&#$%. No, seriously. Anyone else read it like "Ha ha, Shephard, I'm so much better than you. Next time we meet I won't go so easy. 'Cause you're so lame and I'm better than you." 

I mean, wow. and basically every scene after with him expresses how he's a sad little man trying to fill the shoes that I somehow left for him. 

And then actually fighting him. Yeah, little cretins that use melee weapons and summon goons to help them when they get hit are never taken seriously.

[chidingewe8036]

people people people let me tell you exactly why Kai Leng was brought in.......

All he is is extra Fodder for our Shepards' bullets thats it that is exactly why he made his appearance in game thats it i promise you believe me or not........period

Another random enemy for Shepard to wipe the floor with........come on ya'll Bioware had to put somebody in there for Shepard to own rofl and Kai Leng got just that OWNED EVERYTIME LOL

[tonnactus]

Atheist Peace wrote...

3.He uses a sword.

At close range.Like the phantoms,he has some kind of pistol/energy beam in one of his hands. Non one laughed about krogans in in the first game either...(not on insanity of course)

[MadCat221]

Atheist Peace wrote...

My problems with Kai Leng.

1.He looks stupid, like some kind of anime character. I just cant take him seriously.
2.He's not intimiditating at all.
3.He uses a sword. I honestly cringed the first time i saw this.
4.He just doesn't seem to "fit" the ME universe, its like he's making a cameo from a capcom game.
5.When we finally do get to fight him he's a total joke on both occasions.

6: He has in his hand a kinetic barrier projector that is somehow far stronger than the one installed in the entirety of your combat hardsuit, and it can completely shrug off pistol shots.  I swear if my Vanguard shep pulled out his shottie instead of a freakin' pistol, Kai Lame would have a cybernetic stump instead of a cybernetic hand.  And then he'd have a cybernetic stump where his cybernetic head was.  Unless his superdedooper hand KB is even strong enough to shrug off a point-blank shotgun blast too.

Modifié par MadCat221, 30 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[Tsemaru]

lol So weird stuff happened when I tried to post. (Thank you MadCat.)

Modifié par Tsemaru, 30 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[MadCat221]

*DELETED* Nevermind, Tsemaru wiped his post because of the forum software barf that appears to have hit his post.

Modifié par MadCat221, 30 mars 2012 - 09:55 .