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[Applepie_Svk]

Shahadem wrote...

Whoever came up with the Kai Leng character should be shot, drawn and quatered.

I was so frustrated by his aura of incompetency that I literally punch a hole into my monitor.

Why the fark do we not kill him when we first encounter him on the Citadel when he is fighting Thane? He's clearly a craptastic and unskilled Assassin if he can be beaten by a nearly dead Drell, and we have guns while he was lying there prone on the ground. I've shot people for less. This was unbearably stupid.

Next we fight him on the car, I should have fun. And then to make things worse he shoves a normal metal sword through the top of the car which apparently houses important electronics that make it crash. Unbearably stupid.

Yeah i was in peace with this space ninja until he jumps at my car in Citadel, my Sheppard just don´t give a crap about regulations he would smash Kal´Leng assets to one of that buildings on Ćitadel, how much of them you past undeR, 4-5, lol Kai´leng would have a big headache from that crash...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 06 mai 2012 - 09:24 .

[Simocrates]

I kind of enjoyed him. I read the books though and also picked up on the conversation during the fight scenes. There was definitely some N7 rivalry going on between them. He was a much better character in the books though. The Deus Ex eye-shades he had on were a bit silly looking.

[A Wild Snorlax]

The way he killed thane was beyond retarded, why would thane charge a guy with a sword and try to punch him when he had a pistol? Stupid. It was like that scene were anakin lost of his legs in revenge of the sith, it made no sense at all.

[JaegerBane]

Zanza86 wrote...

I kind of enjoyed him. I read the books though and also picked up on the conversation during the fight scenes. There was definitely some N7 rivalry going on between them. He was a much better character in the books though. The Deus Ex eye-shades he had on were a bit silly looking.

I'm on the fence about him.

On the one hand, he is something of a forced character - I think they tried to make him a Saren-esque direct nemesis for Shepard but didn't construct his encounters as well, resulting in weird plot holes as to why Shep didn't just kill him when he had the chance.

On the other, I did like the rival N7 thing and his death was probably one of the most satisfying renegade interrupts in the series.

I think the basic issue they had with the character is that he wasn't very consistent, but was also rather one-dimensional. He's regularly described as being a top assassin, but when compared to other individuals of similar ilk - like Saren, Thane, Samara, and Shepard himself - he comes across as a bumbling idiot who constantly screws up and yet gets another chance. His character sounded a bit weird in Retribution, too - if anything, he didn't seem to be intelligent enough to warrant the N7 rating... he reminded me of that doofus from Ascension, Grayson's partner who tries to double-cross Cerberus and all he accomplishes is one almighty screw-up.

I'm not that bothered. I really enjoyed the Thane/Leng scene and it added just that little extra bit of satisfied venom to Shepard's renegade interrupt when he put that idiot in his place.

[Iron Star]

I didn't bother reading after page 1, so sorry if this has come up before.

As far as I know, it's not the creator of Kail Leng's fault that Kai Leng is such a horrid character in Me3. In fact, from what I've heard at least, Kai Leng was completely badass in the books. Kai Leng's devolution happened in Mass effect: deception and, sadly, Bioware seems to have gone with deceptions view of Kai Leng.

Kai Leng wasn't a bad character. he had potential, a good backstory and a motive as to why he could rival Shepard. It's just that BW made him the king of the cutscenes that totally ruined his image in ME3.

[Simocrates]

Kai Leng did teach me one valuable lesson though, always carry your toothbrush.

[Daidarus]

Crinkles wrote...

I've got to say, I liked Kai Leng's inclusion. Because I've read the book's plots (though not the books themselves), I knew who Kai Leng was; maybe that made the difference. But I found was impressed throughout the Citadel mission by him, really. He had a great fight with Thane, I liked the car and elevator chases... His plot armor on Thessia was kind of annoying, but understandable. The fight in the Illusive Man's room was great, and finally killing my nemesis was satisfying.

Some of you seem to have your suspension of belief turned off and on at awkward moments. If you apply the same suspension of disbelief that's required for most of the game to Kai Leng, like I did, he's not that bad.

I read the books, and not counting deception, I liked Leng as a charcater. He fit his role well. I feel though that in this game they expected you to latch onto him as the anti-you that still works for TIM. It didn't do this well at all for be because my Shep has no idea who this guy is and as a result the mega-depression after Thessia made me angry that I was being sidelined into that whole "I just got beat by my Nemesis /brood". If Leng had been introduced earlier and been given more dialogue to explain himself and build up conflict it would have been better, especially if it had been the Leng from the books and not his new one with his space ninja mindset.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

MadCat221 wrote...
Ehrm... The Citadel Coup was supposed to be a quick minimal-blood job.  However, Kai Lame's penchant to go "WHARRGARBL ALIENS" turned it into a bloodbath that wantonly and indiscriminantly targeted civilians.

He is not a "weapon" in the way Thane was to his employers.  That Timmay would retain such a reckless agent is perplexing.

...Which is another reason I should like my storyline better: of Thane going to the darkside because TIM found a cure for Kepral's and is cornered into betraying Shepard (multiple plotlines ensue). Wouldn't that have been more badass than Space Douche?

[mnomaha]

I just saw it as an excuse to pimp those stupid books, as well as wasting some more of those "resources" they keep spouting about. Kai Leng, Allers, and putting MP in an SP games were incredible examples of idiot wastes of resources. They could have left all those out and sent us a complete game.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

mnomaha wrote...

I just saw it as an excuse to pimp those stupid books, as well as wasting some more of those "resources" they keep spouting about. Kai Leng, Allers, and putting MP in an SP games were incredible examples of idiot wastes of resources. They could have left all those out and sent us a complete game.

Here Here!

[JaegerBane]

mnomaha wrote...

I just saw it as an excuse to pimp those stupid books, as well as wasting some more of those "resources" they keep spouting about. Kai Leng, Allers, and putting MP in an SP games were incredible examples of idiot wastes of resources. They could have left all those out and sent us a complete game.

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree. It would hardly be the first time characters are depicted across media within a franchise, nor is he even the first character that's been treated in such a fashion (The Illusive Man being the most visible example of a character brought into ME via outside the main game), so the idea its just 'pimping stupid books' simply doesn't make sense.

[JaegerBane]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...
...Which is another reason I should like my storyline better: of Thane going to the darkside because TIM found a cure for Kepral's and is cornered into betraying Shepard (multiple plotlines ensue). Wouldn't that have been more badass than Space Douche?

No, it wouldn't, as Thane makes it clear in multiple instances across two games that he's less concerned with dying and more concerned about atoning. The idea he'd effectively sell his soul just for a few more years doesn't fit with the game - he wouldn't even need TIM for that, as i he wanted to hold onto life he could have just underwent organ transplants.

That said, as has been stated the Citadel coup turned into a disaster which ruined any realistic chances of Cerberus taking over and squandered shocking levels of resources. The idea TIM would forgive that (the second major screw-up he's forgiven, if you count Retribution) is totally out of character. I'm guessing TIM has lost so much resources that he physically can't dump any more.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 07 mai 2012 - 10:10 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

JaegerBane wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...
...Which is another reason I should like my storyline better: of Thane going to the darkside because TIM found a cure for Kepral's and is cornered into betraying Shepard (multiple plotlines ensue). Wouldn't that have been more badass than Space Douche?

No, it wouldn't, as Thane makes it clear in multiple instances across two games that he's less concerned with dying and more concerned about atoning. The idea he'd effectively sell his soul just for a few more years doesn't fit with the game - he wouldn't even need TIM for that, as i he wanted to hold onto life he could have just underwent organ transplants.

That said, as has been stated the Citadel coup turned into a disaster which ruined any realistic chances of Cerberus taking over and squandered shocking levels of resources. The idea TIM would forgive that (the second major screw-up he's forgiven, if you count Retribution) is totally out of character. I'm guessing TIM has lost so much resources that he physically can't dump any more.

I hear you. I'm thinking more in terms of Thane hooking up with TIM in the beginning of the game (or even prior to, since apparently, a lot of stuff went down during that time). Thane's attitude is different if you romance him (which shouldn't be a factor, but anyway). He goes from wanting to atone, to wanting very much to live again (which is another reason his assertion that he's cool with dying in 3 is just bogus). Now, especially if he cared deeply for Shepard, perhaps his newfound desire to live would prompt him to find any way to make that happen... even if it meant aligning himself with the Illusive Man (assuming TIM has found a permanent, and less invasive cure). Having been provided this chance to live, Thane is then trapped into doing TIM's bidding. He believes he can work his way out of this situation, but may or may not betray Shepard depending on how you shape the story through dialog options.

I think it's very feasible, and actually fits well and picks up from where Thane is at the end of game 2. A teammate betrayal would have been appropriate for 3.

[RyrineaNara]

I'm someone who would've loved it if they used the VS angle in the plot script. it would make more sense as to why they might distrust you before hand. Also, I would haved loved another Vermier type choice it would be a dession that is harder to make because you could save your friend/lover to help gain the VS trust back if you saved them and romanced them with staying loyal to them in the game . But that too complex and too video Gamey.




Also, Don't Kaidan Me I tend to agree that it would've been a better plot for the Citdeal coup.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 08 mai 2012 - 01:55 .

[Lamepro]

He is just a Henchman in the story.

[G1MEE50K]

Awful character. Don't know what Bioware was thinking. I found it similar to Raidan in MGS4. Drew out the series and made me go -.- whenever I saw him.

[Slappy Ya Face]

Yeah, he was dumb, but at least I got to stab him in the gut with a super-heated omni blade.

[Ageless Face]

If only BioWare would have read their own books... Maybe Leng would have been the badass he should have been.

[Aurora313]

Leng needed more room to expand in the plot. He appears 3 times. Citadel, Tthessia, Cerberus station. If he was more intergrated into the plot (and looked less like a goddamned ninja from GITSSAC or some crap like that), then I think they could have developed a rather healthy Saren-esque rivalry between him and Shepard. I read the books. He seemed like a decent character. Methodical, caution, a little on the slow side but tactically and combatively brilliant.

Though I think this may be a stretch but Leng's very 'patched together' appearance as a cyborg was meant to contrast Shepard's very human appearance, since Shepard was a WIP for two years and Cerberus had time to make him look seemlessly human. Leng got his in a hurry, hence why they look so campy and patched.

In my humble and honest opinion. If they had Leng and Shepard duke it out in an old-fashioned one-on-one fist fight (possibly quick time event or completely design a new combat system just for that battle), showing off just WHY they're ranked in the topdog N7 I would have loved it.

We see Shepard as a marksmen, not matter the class. It'd be nice to see his physical strengths too, besides heavy melees.

[secretagentbw]

Eh, I didn't hate him (Well ok I kind of did, but he didn't ruin the game for me). But to me he just didn't seem to fit the whole ME universe for some reason...

[Linkforlife]

Shepard: "You ran on the Citadel, you ran on Thessia!"
Kai Leng: "Shut up."

He sounds like a whiny kid when he says it, but maybe it was just my opinion, though I still enjoyed breaking his sword and stabbing him for what he did to Thane.

[MadCat221]

Shepard is beset with Cutscene Incompetence and Kai Leng gets Cutscene Power To the MAX in every encounter.

First encounter? As said earlier... Why didn't my Vanguard Shep mow his raggedy ass down? It was a long way down off that ledge outside the Executor's office complex.

C-SEC Car? Why did my Shep open the hatch to open fire? Grab the car's manual controls and INVERT THAT SQUAD CAR! Again, it's a long way down, ninjapunk. And also... WTF was with the hand shield? Are you telling me that one single little KB emitter in the hand that has to share space with his fancy schmancy hand blaster thingy is exponentially more powerful than an entire array of KB emitters on a combat hardsuit?

Thessia Encounter? My Vanguard was going from beating him like a little b... female dog with Charge-Nova (Literally a handful of seconds for him between having to recharge... in the open?) to "Oh! I win!" And again, Charge. Vanguard Shep would have been up and out of that chasm in the blink of an eye.

And of course... the sword.  'Nuff said.

EDIT: Oh, one last bit of Cutscene Incompetence for Shepard: After killing Kai Leng, Shepard should have known to double-tap him right then and there  Shep's a Space Navy Seal, fer chrissakes.  Pull out your Cutscene Pistol and put one in each eye implant to make sure he stays dead.  None of that stupid interrupt stab crap.

Modifié par MadCat221, 25 juin 2012 - 09:17 .

[Shardik1]

He is irritating. Played Thessia again earlier today and had KL on his back immediately with a maxed out charge, finished off his barriers with a maxed out nova, unloaded a clip of maxed out incendiaries in his head and three seconds later he had his barrier back. Meanwhile Garrus and Evi were hitting him with maxed out overloads, sniper rifle and heavy pistol to no effect at all.

They shouldn't have even allowed that fight between Shep and KL if they were going to play that game on us.

[moonface2012]

"He was a great antagonist in the books."
- Patrick Weekes

[L. Han]

Well, he is certainly good at removing floor tiles.