Morinth has a child with the soul of an old God that survives even is she does not. Choices for previous games will almost certainly not carry over to 3 so assume this child will be the son/daughter of the warden and play an important role in the future of the series regardless if you did the deal in Origins.
People have been entertaining the idea that the next protagonist will be Morinths child and although highly predictable I still find it an incredibly good choice as it gives players of origins who wish to play the Warden that connection with their Origins character but explain why they aren't able to roll armies at the start as an Uber Omega War Wizzard.
Morinths Child
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:59
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It seems very unlikely. I don't think the devs really know what to do with the godchild yet, much less make him the protagonist.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:05
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*polite cough* I think you mean Morrigan. At any rate, I'm not sure they'd do that because it seems a bit Throne of Bhaal-like to me. Not like I'd be against it myself - I'm open to the possibility.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:14
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I just prefer it over the other 2 alternatives, the main antagonist or the macguffin and the character like all good RPG characters would be weak at the start and grow into their power ( some might say level up ). Having the soul of an old God doesn't make you incredibly powerful when the Warden beat seven shades out of the last host.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 07:18
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Confusing the name of one of the main characters of Origins with minor character from Mass Effect ,silly me.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 12:20
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I get the impression Morrigan's child will never be the PC of the main game.
Obstacle 1: Morrigan's child is male according to Witch Hunt.
So Bioware either has to force gender on the player (which would be pretty lame) or retcon part of WItch Hunt (which would be lame...but less lame than forcing the gender of the PC).
Obstacle 2: Decisions made in DAO.
Morrigan can have a "child of great power" regardless of what you decide in DAO. There's nothing preventing that. But she can't have a child with an Old God soul unless you do the Dark Ritual. So they'd need two origins for Morrigan's child--a Dark Ritual version and a non-DR version. But that seems like something that could be done if Bioware thought it was worth the extra resources.
So really it comes down to
(1) Retcon line about child being male in Witch Hunt and make DR and non-DR origins for Morrigan's child.
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(2) If DR, make Morrigan's child male-only due to Urthemiel influence. If not DR, allow gender choice on Morrigan's child and have no elements of old god (Urthemiel) soul.
The danger with (2) is potentially annoying some portion of fanbase. Say a female warden encourages DR for Morrigan with another Warden like Alistair or Loghain. And say the player of that female warden really likes playing female NPC's and wants to play a female in a game that imported her female Warden. Maybe the player is a female that's drawn to DA because of the gender-choice and character-intesive nature of the stories. Well, she's a member of (what should be) an important audience for DA. So (2)'s worth discussing, but maybe the cost is too high.
The danger of (1) is you get some reactions like you can see in the various Leliana threads in DA2.
What about Morrigan's child as an NPC?
If Morrigan's child isn't a PC but is just a companion or non-companion NPC, all of the male-female complication goes away, and he can just be male.
So to support that character you need the resources to support a DR version and non-DR version of Morrigan's child.
So what are some problems with my reasoning?
I don't know all of the dialogue for Witch Hunt. The ending of DAO in which Morrigan has insinuated herself into the Orlesian court doesn't mention pregnancy, though it's not incompatible with it either. Does that affect Morrigan's dialogue trees in Witch Hunt much? I don't know. Nonetheless, Bioware might need to account for the possibilty of not having a child. This isn't unheard of as there are NPC's in Mass Effect that don't carry over based on decisions. They'd have to give Morrigan a Plan B that doesn't inolve having a child.
One thing we don't know is if there's the possbility of a compelling story for a non-DR Morrigan child. If only one branch of the story is any good, then it's a lame branch. It would help to know more about Morrigan's plans and how the ritual plays into it to really know how plausible the non-DR-and-DR origins idea is, but I lack that information. So I'm stuck at talking about what's possible as opposed to what is or isn't a good idea.
Obstacle 1: Morrigan's child is male according to Witch Hunt.
So Bioware either has to force gender on the player (which would be pretty lame) or retcon part of WItch Hunt (which would be lame...but less lame than forcing the gender of the PC).
Obstacle 2: Decisions made in DAO.
Morrigan can have a "child of great power" regardless of what you decide in DAO. There's nothing preventing that. But she can't have a child with an Old God soul unless you do the Dark Ritual. So they'd need two origins for Morrigan's child--a Dark Ritual version and a non-DR version. But that seems like something that could be done if Bioware thought it was worth the extra resources.
So really it comes down to
(1) Retcon line about child being male in Witch Hunt and make DR and non-DR origins for Morrigan's child.
or
(2) If DR, make Morrigan's child male-only due to Urthemiel influence. If not DR, allow gender choice on Morrigan's child and have no elements of old god (Urthemiel) soul.
The danger with (2) is potentially annoying some portion of fanbase. Say a female warden encourages DR for Morrigan with another Warden like Alistair or Loghain. And say the player of that female warden really likes playing female NPC's and wants to play a female in a game that imported her female Warden. Maybe the player is a female that's drawn to DA because of the gender-choice and character-intesive nature of the stories. Well, she's a member of (what should be) an important audience for DA. So (2)'s worth discussing, but maybe the cost is too high.
The danger of (1) is you get some reactions like you can see in the various Leliana threads in DA2.
What about Morrigan's child as an NPC?
If Morrigan's child isn't a PC but is just a companion or non-companion NPC, all of the male-female complication goes away, and he can just be male.
So to support that character you need the resources to support a DR version and non-DR version of Morrigan's child.
So what are some problems with my reasoning?
I don't know all of the dialogue for Witch Hunt. The ending of DAO in which Morrigan has insinuated herself into the Orlesian court doesn't mention pregnancy, though it's not incompatible with it either. Does that affect Morrigan's dialogue trees in Witch Hunt much? I don't know. Nonetheless, Bioware might need to account for the possibilty of not having a child. This isn't unheard of as there are NPC's in Mass Effect that don't carry over based on decisions. They'd have to give Morrigan a Plan B that doesn't inolve having a child.
One thing we don't know is if there's the possbility of a compelling story for a non-DR Morrigan child. If only one branch of the story is any good, then it's a lame branch. It would help to know more about Morrigan's plans and how the ritual plays into it to really know how plausible the non-DR-and-DR origins idea is, but I lack that information. So I'm stuck at talking about what's possible as opposed to what is or isn't a good idea.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 01:58
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The characters gender would be your choice so someone else changing it to female is unlikely to offend any but the most crazy of fans, I didn't even remember her mentioning the childs gender.
Dragon Age 3 is highly unlikely to have choices carry over so certain events will be fixed the survival of old god child being one of them because it would exist regardless of what choices you make. The father of the child will be the Warden to explain how they survived and Morrigan will be probably be alive because of her popularity as a character.
Dragon Age 3 is highly unlikely to have choices carry over so certain events will be fixed the survival of old god child being one of them because it would exist regardless of what choices you make. The father of the child will be the Warden to explain how they survived and Morrigan will be probably be alive because of her popularity as a character.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 02:15
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Gaider posted on the topic of putting the OGB in everyones game some time ago. It doesn't look like it's going to happen.
David Gaider wrote...
May I put this to rest?
If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?
We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins andwould probably be pretty lame.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 10:59
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Ardat-Yakshi are sterile, sillykins, they can't HAVE k--OH YOU MEANT MORRIGAN MY BAD.
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Posté 26 mars 2012 - 11:04
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Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Ardat-Yakshi are sterile, sillykins, they can't HAVE k--OH YOU MEANT MORRIGAN MY BAD.
Ardat-Yakshi are not sterile, they can mate with each other and produce offsprings, which also are Ardat-Yakshi.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 12:02
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KainD wrote...
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Ardat-Yakshi are sterile, sillykins, they can't HAVE k--OH YOU MEANT MORRIGAN MY BAD.
Ardat-Yakshi are not sterile, they can mate with each other and produce offsprings, which also are Ardat-Yakshi.
...No they can't. That would just end in a double murder-suicide.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 12:25
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Nathan Redgrave wrote...
KainD wrote...
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Ardat-Yakshi are sterile, sillykins, they can't HAVE k--OH YOU MEANT MORRIGAN MY BAD.
Ardat-Yakshi are not sterile, they can mate with each other and produce offsprings, which also are Ardat-Yakshi.
...No they can't. That would just end in a double murder-suicide.
Source?
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 02:41
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So, this was all Morinth's doing along?! I knew it!
I knew when I first killed her on Omega that she would eventually come back for revenge!
Quickly! Someone find Samara so we can stop her!!!
I knew when I first killed her on Omega that she would eventually come back for revenge!
Quickly! Someone find Samara so we can stop her!!!
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 03:02
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jackofalltrades456 wrote...
So, this was all Morinth's doing along?! I knew it!
I knew when I first killed her on Omega that she would eventually come back for revenge!
Quickly! Someone find Samara so we can stop her!!!
Morinth is actually such an awesome analogy to the mage situation, with the Ardat-yakshi temple and all.
But I couldn't kill her, the fact that she was sent to seclusion before doing any crimes tight my hands. I killed her only once to get Samara's bonus power.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 03:12
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KainD wrote...
jackofalltrades456 wrote...
So, this was all Morinth's doing along?! I knew it!
I knew when I first killed her on Omega that she would eventually come back for revenge!
Quickly! Someone find Samara so we can stop her!!!
Morinth is actually such an awesome analogy to the mage situation, with the Ardat-yakshi temple and all.
But I couldn't kill her, the fact that she was sent to seclusion before doing any crimes tight my hands. I killed her only once to get Samara's bonus power.
Well, she was also entralling innocent young women and sucking them dry. She'll even kill your Sheparad if you try to romance her.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 03:23
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jackofalltrades456 wrote...
Well, she was also entralling innocent young women and sucking them dry. She'll even kill your Sheparad if you try to romance her.
Well actually the girl being innocent is a plothole.
Also Morinth didn't want to kill Shepard if you romanced her.
