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[KainD]

 This thought got into my mind recently, and I can't really find an answer in the game. 

So I've seen Tevinter mages both in Denerim and Kirkwall, ones were in the alienage, the others at the docks ( qunari tome ) and Denarius at the tavern. 

As far as I know Tevinter mages are free, they have nothing to do with the chantry, they have no circles and no templars, so they basically do not answer to the templars. 

As far as I know Tevinter is not at war with the southern nations, because it is at war with Qunari, so for now Tevinter stands peaceful among other nations, and Tevinter citizens can travel freely to other nations. 

So my question is: how do templars react to mages from Tevinter?  And how do templars know that a mage is from Tevinter? 

[Liveshiptrader]

I think every time a Tevinter Mage has shown they have always been accompanied by a large group of guards to set them apart as the equivalent of a visiting noble so Templars are unlikely to target them unless its obvious they are up to no good ( always are ) for fear of sparking a war.

[Knight of Dane]

KainD wrote...
As far as I know Tevinter mages are free, they have nothing to do with the chantry, they have no circles and no templars, so they basically do not answer to the templars. 

They do have a circle, the difference is that the Tevinter Circle controls the imperium. At the top is the Archon, he is like an emperor, and always a powerful mage. The black divine is their pretty face towards the other nations, but as far as i know he doesn't have any real influence. The Tevinter Templars are controlled by the circle too and is more of a kind of task force to deal with the Archon's enemies rather than a anti-mage orginization.

As for tevinter mages outside tevinter...
I know not.. In Ferelden mages are free to travel if they have the authorization, i assume it was like that in Kirkwall at some point too, before Meredith and Dumar. Tevinter mages in other countries would be like diplomats with a right to travel as long as their presence is made clear to the local chantry and/or circle.

My take on it.

[KainD]

So basically, if Tevinter mages don't start throwing fireballs at people in the streets, templars will ignore them, and they are free to wonder where they please?

It's just that, from the codex: "An apostate is a mage who is not part of the Circle of Magi."
And templars either kill apostates or bring them to the circle.

Technically Tevinter mages are apostates, but... yeah.

[KainD]

Knight of Dane wrote...

They do have a circle, the difference is that the Tevinter Circle controls the imperium. 

They do? I thought magisters just had their own apprentices. 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Tevinter mages in Denerim are under Loghain/Howe's protection, the chief reason being that they're slavers and providing the city with a lot of gold. Considering the risks of plague in the alienage, it probably wasn't hard for Loghain to convince the Chantry to let the 'Tevinter Healers' do their jobs.

Tevinter does have templars, and a Minrathous Circle is referred to in DA:O, but the mages are not subect to them. According to Gaider, the templars are only called out when things get really bad, like possession bad, and aside from that the mages can do whatever they want.

What do the templars do when a Tevinter mage shows up in town? We don't really know, because we've never seen.

[Urzon]

KainD wrote...

They do? I thought magisters just had their own apprentices. 

They do. I always thought the Magister were the Tevinter version of the Senior or First Enchanters (though i could be wrong). They only difference being that a Magister is also a political postion as well. They might choose a select few apprentices to teach (just like in the White Chantry's Circles), but they leave the majority of the students to learn from the lower ranking Enchanters.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Urzon wrote...

They do. I always thought the Magister were the Tevinter version of the Senior or First Enchanters (though i could be wrong). They only difference being that a Magister is also a political postion as well. They might choose a select few apprentices to teach (just like in the White Chantry's Circles), but they leave the majority of the students to learn from the lower ranking Enchanters.

Magisters do not necessarily work for the Circle, though they may have studied there. At least one archon (the ruler of Tevinter) was elected from the ranks of the Circle of Magi, and the Black Divine is also the Grand Magister of Tevinter.

[Uthenera]

It's also depends of the actual political situation when there was Exalted Marches against Tewinter, than a mage from Tewinter was handled like any other apostate. During the time of peace the templars probably turn a blind eye toward,them, if we acts like there is no problem, than there is no problem, it's human nature, so as long as they don't try to recruit mages, don't cause any trouble, they can walk freely, like they were no present, and if they got into trouble, than that's their problem, It looks like in the games, that the mages from Tewinter aren't treated like foreign dignitaries thes were killed, but there weren't a squadrons of angry templars to take you before justice, but it's true they both seemed to be act in secret, so if something would happen with a mage from Tewinter, who was officialy recognized that would be an another case, and probably the characterer would face serious repercussions, if it's fits the Chantry's actual political views

[Lynata]

I'd presume that Tevinter magisters are basically foreign dignitaries and as such under diplomatic protection. The Andrastean templars, whilst they'd like to, cannot touch them because it might trigger a war between the Tevinter Imperium and whatever nation the incident occurred. The Chantry isn't a nation itself, but it still relies on the support and cooperation of the countries it is located in, so there would probably be some pressure from the sovereign.

Tevinter mages not under this sort of protection, on the other hand, would be fair game to hunt I'd presume - after all, he would not mean anything to the people in charge.

Also, here's David Gaider's posts on the subject of mages in Tevinter - quite interesting to read!
http://social.biowar...ex/4546148&lf=8 

[Uthenera]

Probably even the Divine wouldn't try her luck against a really powerful ruler, but to remove a lesser, insignificant one probably wouldn't cause much headache to her, if she could convince the stronger or simply just greedy ones that the loot would worth an Exalted March, or use a rival noble in the country to dpose someone who isn't strong enough to stand up against the Chantry on his/her own, or she/he is without significant support amongst the populace. That would alert her stronegr allies too, but it's probably not a good thing in every case.
On the other hand bringing down the Tewinter Imperium probably wouldn't worth it. It's better if there is an "Empire of Evil Mages" which you can kind of blackmail every Andrastean, than wasting money and templars trying to keep the situation under control, not to mention that Tewinter has it own use as a buffer state fighting against the Quanaris, if it would come to this.
Thanks for the link!