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[Alex Savchovsky]

Being selfish and not wanting to die is only one reason to accept Morrigan's offer.
My first character have seen it as a chance to stop the Blight without permanently removing something of great power from the world. So he accepted.

[Apophis2412]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

Being selfish and not wanting to die is only one reason to accept Morrigan's offer.
My first character have seen it as a chance to stop the Blight without permanently removing something of great power from the world. So he accepted.

The world has survived without these great powers just fine for the last 1400 years.

[Silensfurtim]

Walina wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

We all know that Grey Wardens die whenever they kill an Archdemon. They know that from the start. But in the game, we get to choose if we want to self-sacrifice, sacrifice Alistair, or perform the dark ritual with Morrigan. Obviously, some of us would prefer doing the dark ritual for continuity's sake.

What do you think what the other Grey Wardens would think about your ritual with Morrigan that lets an Old God get away instead of the Grey Warden dying with it? As a Grey Warden, you know your days are numbered and you know your responsibilities.

Should the PC be sent to a Grey Warden Tribunal  and explain his actions?

Duncan or Riordan will be against it, I am sure of it.

I think so too. For them, its "the blight ends here, end of story." They are veteran Grey Wardens and what has to be done, must be done.

[The Capital Gaultier]

The Old Gods are not inherently evil. If there is truth to what the Tevinter mages and Morrigan believe, there is worth in and of itself in keeping the Old God's soul alive. Not that the Chantry would have any of it.

Сообщение изменено: The Capital Gaultier, 01 Декабрь 2009 - 11:27 .

[Franklyn Cross]

Personally, I consider the dark ritual the ultimately selfish choice.

As a grey warden you should not be supposed to "presuppose" the future: you know your task, and in the end/in death is sacrifice you should expect...not an happy ending.



You can either undergo the ritual in order to save you own life, or the one of your lover: love is ultimately selfish as well.

It is not necessarily the EVIL option in my opinion, but yes, definitely the selfish one, the "human" one.

...that's why i think it is such an addition to the game

[Silensfurtim]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

The Old Gods are not inherently evil. If there is truth to what the Tevinter mages and Morrigan believe, there is worth in and of itself in keeping the Old God's soul alive. Not that the Chantry would have any of it.

its possible. but still, you are a Grey Warden and you have your responsibilities.

keeping an Old God's soul might be good. but that depends on which hands.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Silensfurtim wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

The Old Gods are not inherently evil. If there is truth to what the Tevinter mages and Morrigan believe, there is worth in and of itself in keeping the Old God's soul alive. Not that the Chantry would have any of it.

its possible. but still, you are a Grey Warden and you have your responsibilities.

keeping an Old God's soul might be good. but that depends on which hands.

Well, my player character certainly earned and returned Morrigan's trust.  Depends on how you played, I guess.

[Alex Savchovsky]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

Being selfish and not wanting to die is only one reason to accept Morrigan's offer.
My first character have seen it as a chance to stop the Blight without permanently removing something of great power from the world. So he accepted.

The world has survived without these great powers just fine for the last 1400 years.

Survived being the keyword.

Franklyn Cross wrote...

Personally, I consider the dark ritual the ultimately selfish choice.
As a grey warden you should not be supposed to "presuppose" the future: you know your task, and in the end/in death is sacrifice you should expect...not an happy ending.

Argh... And that is why I always disliked the army. Straightforward "don't think, obey the orders!" attitude, bleh... If it is not your choice to decide the future, you should not decide dwarven king as well... nor Ferelden's... nor the fate of the Circle... It is your choice and your responsibility all the way since the defeat at Ostagar. You have the power to change the world and you have used it already. So it's a bit too late to resort to *that* argument when Morrigan comes with her offer.

Сообщение изменено: Alex Savchovsky, 01 Декабрь 2009 - 11:39 .

[Apophis2412]

Silensfurtim wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

The Old Gods are not inherently evil. If there is truth to what the Tevinter mages and Morrigan believe, there is worth in and of itself in keeping the Old God's soul alive. Not that the Chantry would have any of it.

its possible. but still, you are a Grey Warden and you have your responsibilities.

keeping an Old God's soul might be good. but that depends on which hands.

Found some interesting info on the currect Arhdemon in the codex: Urthemiel was once[/b] the Tevinter[/b] god[/b] of beauty[/b]. In ancient[/b] times[/b], he[/b] was worshiped[/b] by musicians[/b], artists[/b], and poets[/b]. The Feast of Urthemiel[/b] was the grandest celebration of the year, an event that lasted a full twelve days. Plays and entire symphonies were written in his honor. Now, he[/b] is a maddened husk of his former self, filled with nothing but a desire to destroy all life.

[Silensfurtim]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

The Old Gods are not inherently evil. If there is truth to what the Tevinter mages and Morrigan believe, there is worth in and of itself in keeping the Old God's soul alive. Not that the Chantry would have any of it.

its possible. but still, you are a Grey Warden and you have your responsibilities.

keeping an Old God's soul might be good. but that depends on which hands.

Well, my player character certainly earned and returned Morrigan's trust.  Depends on how you played, I guess.

It would be a good ending or good decision if Morrigan stayed with you in the ending, not disappearing and not wanting to see you again.

Maybe Morrigan wanted to disappear because you might think twice of killing her own child. Hmmm..

[Silensfurtim]

Found some interesting info on the currect Arhdemon in the codex:
Urthemiel was once[/b] the Tevinter[/b] god[/b] of beauty[/b]. In
ancient[/b] times[/b], he[/b] was worshiped[/b] by musicians[/b],
artists[/b], and poets[/b]. The Feast of Urthemiel[/b] was the grandest
celebration of the year, an event that lasted a full twelve days. Plays
and entire symphonies were written in his honor. Now, he[/b] is a
maddened husk of his former self, filled with nothing but a desire to
destroy all life.

There you go. Gods gone crazy.

Сообщение изменено: Silensfurtim, 01 Декабрь 2009 - 11:41 .

[Erasculio]

Apophis2412 wrote...
Found some interesting info on the currect Arhdemon in the codex: Urthemiel was once the Tevinter god of beauty[/b]. In ancient times, he was worshiped by musicians, artists, and poets. The Feast of Urthemiel was the grandest celebration of the year, an event that lasted a full twelve days. Plays and entire symphonies were written in his honor. Now, he is a maddened husk of his former self, filled with nothing but a desire to destroy all life.

Yes, he was a good god (or at least he wasn't worshipped by people who destroy things, rather those who create things). Thanks to the darkspawn taint, he became mad. Now we can remove said taint, and the result...? Back to the good old god.

That is actually the good option, IMO. I think that's one of the reasons why Bioware mentioned how the archdemon we fight used to be the god of Beauty, as opposed to the god of Murder or anything like that - in order to let we know how the archdemon is maddened evil, but the god? Not so much.

[Silensfurtim]

What would you choose:



Destroying an Old God once and for all?



Let an Old God live again with a chance of getting tainted again for 8th Blight?

[Shady314]

I make my own destiny. Fate is for the weak.

[Alex Savchovsky]

Silensfurtim wrote...

What would you choose:

Destroying an Old God once and for all?

Let an Old God live again with a chance of getting tainted again for 8th Blight?

Your question is biased, but still - letting him live.

[Silensfurtim]

Shady314 wrote...

I make my own destiny. Fate is for the weak.

Then you shouldnt have joined the Grey Wardens then.

[Shady314]

Silensfurtim wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

I make my own destiny. Fate is for the weak.

Then you shouldnt have joined the Grey Wardens then.

I don't get your point. If it was my destiny to die killing the archdemon I would have died. I didn't die so it must not be my destiny. My destiny will come when, where and how I choose.

I think you do not understand what destiny is. Destiny is not what you think is going to happen or what has always happened before.

[Herr Uhl]

I think the bad press that the old gods get is similar to that they modeled the devil after the Greek god Pan, in looks at least. Those sneaky catholics.



Thus the devil has horns and goat legs.

[Curlain]

What origin you play also comes into this decision, because for my Dalish elf character (certianly not a Chantry believer) he did romance Morrigan, but just couldn't support brining back one of the 'Old Gods' (whatever they really are) who's worshippers (Tenvinter Imperium) had destoryed the ancient elven homeland, enslaved his people and took/ended their immortality etc. He wasn't to hot on the Chantry's history either (with the whole Exalted March on the Dales thing) but Andraste herself seems to be respected by the Dalish elves, at least I seemed to pick up that vibe from the origin as someone who showed the then enslaved elves that they could strike for freedom.

My mage character however, more pragmatic and feeling somewhat seperated from both human, elven and dwarven societies will react much differently

Сообщение изменено: Curlain, 01 Декабрь 2009 - 12:12 .

[Erasculio]

Silensfurtim wrote...

What would you choose:

Destroying an Old God once and for all?

Let an Old God live again with a chance of getting tainted again for 8th Blight?

What would you choose:

Destroying an Old God once and for all?

Let an Old God live and use its power to destroy the next Blights, and maybe even find the other Old Gods before the darkspawn do, actually preventing any other Blight?

Сообщение изменено: Erasculio, 01 Декабрь 2009 - 12:17 .

[Silensfurtim]

Erasculio wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

What would you choose:

Destroying an Old God once and for all?

Let an Old God live again with a chance of getting tainted again for 8th Blight?

What would you choose:

Destryoing an Old God once and for all?

Let an Old God live and use its power to destroy the next Blights, and maybe even find the other Old Gods before the darkspawn do, actually preventing any other Blight?

Like I said before, Morrigan disappeared and not wanted to be found.  Maker knows what she'll do with the God baby.  Maybe she'll keep it for herself? Maybe she won't let others use it?

If the God baby is in the hands of the Chantry then that would have been different.

[Ulicus]

I don't think all the Old Gods were evil, but I'd have trouble imagining that they were all good. There's a Dragon of Slaves, for Andraste's sake.

Though, as T-Shirt Hell tells us, "Slavery Gets **** Done" so I suppose that's, uh, "good".

Anyway, yeah, the Warden's survival in the "Dark Ritual" ending... I was curious as to what the other Grey Wardens would think of this as well. At first I assumed that they'd insist that the Blight *wasn't* over, and that the "Hero of Ferelden" couldn't have possibly killed the archdemon, since he was still alive.  The roaming bands of Darkspawn would only have further fuelled this belief.

Then, of course, I remembered that they'd have stopped getting dreams of the archdemon and so would *know* it had been slain and thus it becomes a bit trickier to know what they'd think of the Warden's survival.  At the moment, I'm generally thinking something along the lines of Harry Potter. Hushed silences, awkward stares and mutters of "the one who lived".

To be honest, though, you can skew the motivations for the choice you make at the end of the game any way you want. For example, on the "ending playthrough" in which I had my human noble sacrifice himself, he didn't do it for honour or out of fear of a "Demon Baby" -- he absolutely believed that Morrigan was telling the truth -- he was simply being a "miserable, selfish bastard" in that, if Morrigan wouldn't stay with him, he wanted to die and deny her in doing so. 

It was ****ed up, but a lot of fun to play out.

Сообщение изменено: Ulicus, 01 Декабрь 2009 - 12:27 .

[Herr Uhl]

Silensfurtim wrote...

Like I said before, Morrigan disappeared and not wanted to be found.  Maker knows what she'll do with the God baby.  Maybe she'll keep it for herself? Maybe she won't let others use it?

If the God baby is in the hands of the Chantry then that would have been different.

Yes, then we would have exhalted marches all over the place. To the land of the Qun!

[Silensfurtim]

Shady314 wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

I make my own destiny. Fate is for the weak.

Then you shouldnt have joined the Grey Wardens then.

I don't get your point. If it was my destiny to die killing the archdemon I would have died. I didn't die so it must not be my destiny. My destiny will come when, where and how I choose.

You didn't die because you were given an option. You also side-stepped your responsibility as a Grey Warden. As a Grey Warden you are considered as a dead man walking. Other Grey Wardens would be asking you the question..

"Why the hell are you still alive?"

[lockheartt]

Let me add my opinion about this.

I would have accepted Morrigan's offer if I had any confirmation that the old god would be freed of the taint, but he wouldn't. The child would bear the darkspawn taint as well, thats why the archdemon's essence would be able to go to him in first place, as he is able to go to the warden that kills it. Is the taint that make that possible, not the dark ritual.

The way i see it, the dark ritual is just for generating a child with the taint, without it having to drink darkspawn blood. So we would have the darkspawn taint and the old god essence in the same vessel...who can tell what could happen with that child?

And if I am right, the taint in the wardens that make then able to sense the darkspawn, make the darkspawn able to sense then as well...am i right?

That's why IMO it's a selfish and coward choice the warden could make. A lot of people died, or sacrificed so much for destroying this thing and stoping it, would you really put yourself above that all just for glory, love or even fear of death?

Being a grey warden is not about duty, but about hope, about fighting for something greater then yourself. At least it was the way i saw it with my first character. And for that he had Wynne to thank...point for her.

I just felt sad for Morrigan, she was my favorite character and during the entire game my pc tried to change her...and in the end, i felt like i failed her.