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[The Capital Gaultier]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Here is a thought.

When you think about it, not doing the ritual means you get a one in three chance to kill the archdemon, right?

I just realised something, the ritual actually means in theory you have only ONE chance to kill it.

That ONE chance being because Morrigan HAS to survive the final battle.

If she dies, no doubt the unborn baby dies with her thus. You are actually back to square one.

Whether or not you perform the ritual (as long as you beat the game) you will kill the Archdemon.  If Morrigan had not survived the final battle, you would die anyways but the Archdemon would die with you.

Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 10 décembre 2009 - 11:23 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

Varyen wrote...

I have a theory on the dark ritual and if my theory is true then it's a bad thing. Morrigan said that flemeth(excuss my spelling) might one day come after her. What if she did come after Morrigan and there wasn't a cut scene to show it and flemeth is the one who tells you of the ritaul? If you go along with it, you just helped produce another host for her spirit It's also possible that Morrigan also figured out how to become immortal & this old god child is the ultimate host regradless if it's Morrigan or Flemeth

Flemeth is very, very old.  It's doubtful that she would be fertile at this point in her life.

Personally, I agree to an extent.  However, I think that Morrigan leaves to avoid Flemeth and raise the child howsoever she sees fit.

[Volourn]

"Let's se...Wolf..Blight wolf...Bear..Bearskarn...etc, etc..



Notice how a corrupted creature allways bears strong semblance to it's original form?"



Then explain how hurlocks, genlocks, shriekers, and ogres fit into your logical system? You fail yet again.





Everything in game seems to poitnt hat the ritual is the logical, good, honourable thing to do. Why would I allow a curse to ahrm an innocent creature (the old god) who has done nothing to warrant being tainted than any of the dwarves that branka sacrifices to the darkspawn. I am doing a GOOD thing by trying to find a way to save the soul of an innocent.



And, it's not blind trust when it's a trusted friend who stuck by you the entire game even when she may have disagreed with some of your decisions. That despite the fact, when you tell her to go she goes without crying.



So, are you so evil, selfish, and shortsighted that you would sacrifice innocent children to the blight's curse? For shame, for shame.

[Felene]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

Is that so?
Is it clear that there are no more abominations in the Tower when you decide to spare them?
Is it clear if Alistair will make a good king? Or Anora? Or Bhelen?

It is never a Grey Warden's concern if the tower is save from abominations or Alistair, Anora, and Bhelen can be a good ruler.

The main purpose is to aquire help, and ensure the ruling power he/she has chosen can and will provide help when he/she need it.

Is it clear what happens if you choose to corrupt the Sacred ashes?

What other possibility is there when you destory the ashes?

You either destory it, wipe its existence from the face of Thedas or you help it to be discover once again.

If you destory it, big deal, one less miracle in the world.

Chantry might turn against you if they find out, unwise but not unbearable.

Eamon will die[although is it not allow in game], the Warden lose one powerful ally who's solemn purpose is to call for a Landsmeet.

I am sure there is other way to unite Ferelden without him, might be more difficult, but not impossible.

If you help rediscover it, big deal, use it to help Eamon and let him call for a Landsmeet and the Chantry will might sing your praise.

Know your goal and your choices, choose carefully, and be ready to face the consequences and others for good or worse.

Many choices in the game are exactly as much gamble as accepting Morrigan's offer. More of a gamble, in fact. As for neither of those choices you don't have the word of a friend.

No, the choice that is a gamble and selfish is to take Morrigan's offer without a slighest clue on what she is going to do with the child and not ready to face its consequences.

Half of the people who took the offer doesn't even realize the consequences and the responsibility one has to take if the choice turn out to be a poor one.

All their self-justification excuse for taking that offer are made of self-centric, navie, irresponsible, and downright selfish.

Modifié par Felene, 11 décembre 2009 - 02:15 .

[MassEffect762]

God I hate what they did with Morrigans character plot. One big abortion if you ask me.

[Shikase]

i think that the ritual was the best choice now the baby will be an inmortal greywarden that can end a blight by him/her self or on the other hand can be the new flemeth sins the old 1 was trying to become like a dragon and thats what old gods are powerful dragons they are shape shifters for a reason they want to become something greater then there old self but in the end the player will find her cause of her ring and i think the player did in fact change morrigan cause now she is starting to have emotions whish she never had at the end of the game on the texts about morrigan it sed that the player was feeling morrigans sorrow so yeah i think she is diferent in some way

Modifié par Shikase, 11 décembre 2009 - 12:13 .

[Felene]

Volourn wrote...

Everything in game seems to poitnt hat the ritual is the logical, good, honourable thing to do.

Really? I am shock. I bet you told yourself that everyday just so you can go to sleep. Or you are just too navie to trust everything your friend told you. And in this case, she doesn't even tell you what she is up to.

Why would I allow a curse to ahrm an innocent creature (the old god) who has done nothing to warrant being tainted than any of the dwarves that branka sacrifices to the darkspawn. I am doing a GOOD thing by trying to find a way to save the soul of an innocent.

Where in the world did you get your logic from?

The Old God was imprison from the start for no particular reason at all?

You believe it is worth saving reguardless of its true nature which we doesn't know?

You do realize been taint doesn't mean it can complete ignore the crime it commit for all the innocent life it kill since its wake.

If you choose to accept the offer, believe in the best, a Old God child is created.

Yes, it is innocent because it was not its own choice.

It is yours.

You choose to let this innocent life to be a Old God, which has a nature that nobody in the world save Mr. Gaider knows.

You choose to let this innocent life live, knowing that maybe one day it will be tainted and become a archdemon which will start a new Blight which will cost even more innocent life.

You choose to leave this innocent life in the hand of a woman who know nothing about how to raise a child properly, unpredictable, power seeking, and untrustworthy.

And, it's not blind trust when it's a trusted friend who stuck by you the entire game even when she may have disagreed with some of your decisions. That despite the fact, when you tell her to go she goes without crying.

The reason Morrigan joins the Warden's party is to use it for her gain, which is to creat a Old God child.

So, are you so evil, selfish, and shortsighted that you would sacrifice innocent children to the blight's curse? For shame, for shame.

May I ask the same question to you?

Are you evil, selfish, and shortsighted that you will choose to accept that offer just to survive?

You are like a fish who lives in the water without knowing that water is.

And now you ask, what is water?

Modifié par Felene, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:29 .

[syllogi]

So...if Dragon Age 2 (or an expansion) deals with Morrigan's child, either as a player character, a party member, or just an NPC you have to deal with, are the people in this thread who insist that the child MUST be evil going to get upset if there is a choice in what the child becomes?



Like, if the PC is the Old-God-Spawn, will you refuse to play as a good character? Or if the child is a party member, will you kill it out of hand, if possible?

[Layn]

Volourn wrote...

"Let's se...Wolf..Blight wolf...Bear..Bearskarn...etc, etc..

Notice how a corrupted creature allways bears strong semblance to it's original form?"

Then explain how hurlocks, genlocks, shriekers, and ogres fit into your logical system? You fail yet again.

uhm doesn't he have a point on that? i mean, sure those aren't the tainted version of those races, but they are the offspring of a tainted woman (aka broodmother) of each race.

Felene wrote...

You choose to leave
this innocent life in the hand of a woman who know nothing about how to
raise a child properly, unpredictable, power seeking, and untrustworthy.

but the thing is, we those who chose to trust morrigan have a different view of morrigan. we see her as a woman we have learned to trust as we fought closely together against unimaginable obstacles, does what she deems necessary for survival , will do everything in her might to ensure the survival of the child, and isn't very unpredictable (the child however is).

[I Valente I]

err despite what some people on this thread have said, there ARE repercussions to doing the ritual. You are keeping the Old God alive, therefore it's possible it will get tainted just like it was when it was a dragon, meaning that whole blight you just stopped could happen again, with the same Old God. Also, it's debated whether or not the Old Gods were really gods or just really powerful dragons. To me, doing the ritual is the cowardly, dihonorable route. I also really liked the way the plot twisted at the end, seeing as I was wondering the entire game why Flemeth actually bothered to save Alistair and I from the tower.

[fantasypisces]

Felene, you have a strong opinion, but calling everyone elses choices being nothing but evil and self-centered is a little unjustified. As I have said in numerous other choices, I don't think the child will be evil.



You seem to think of Morrigan as this huge evil women, when she is not. She hates demons, she hates darkspawn, and she generally wants to do the right thing if it goes with her goals. Hell, did you friend her or get her to love one your characters? If you did, you will notice she has greatly changed since the beginning of the story.

I do not believe she would willingly let the child become tainted. And we don't know if the child can become tainted. The final fact is we do not really know the whole story, so you can't come in here and say that it is only a selfish choice and all our reasoning is nonsense. My character does not believe in the Maker, he did believe in the old gods. Therefore, is saving the old god selfish, erm no. If it was Leliana and the archdemon was the maker corrupted. Then Morrigan said I can have a child that will obsorb the makers soul free of the taint. Would Leliana say no? Would any other Maker loving person say no? Of course not, they would be all for it.

Anyway, by going with the ritual, I ended the blight (check), Made my love not leave me out of disqust (check), allowed an Old God to be freed from her (mental) slavery and be reborn (check), perserved the life of my friend (check), allowed there to be two Grey Wardens remaining, therefore easier to rebuild the order (check). Erm, that doesn't sound selfish to me at all.

Not everyone is the ultimate goodie-two-shoes hero that is willing to sacrifice themselves for a cause that was just thrown onto them.

Therefore I think it is very wrong of you to claim all reasoning is to do it is selfish, because even you don't know. There are many reasons as to why it wouldn't be.

Hell the act of denying it because you, and you alone (in the game) think it is a bad idea, is kind of selfish in itself, isn't it? For all you know, neither your character or the other two grey wardens would even make it to the archdemon, so it is good to have a backup. Morrigan essentially becomes a fourth through the child.

If your character was wholly dedicated to the Grey Wardens (unlike mine), then you would believe at stopping the blight no matter the cost. A potential demon baby is a significant cost, but if the end justifies the means, then that is all that matters.

Anyway, I don't think the child will be evil and I don't think it would become another archdemon (afterall, Grey Warden blood flows in it's veins, and the point of being a Grey Warden is that YOU SURVIVED THE TAINT!), that is my characters viewpoint, ergo I do not believe he is selfish

[katory]

You can always get logain to sacrifise and your cost.

And chosing morgain way is not bad or good and do not dishonor the gray wardens as many clamis in this tread. Honor comes from stopping the blight and fithing the thark spawns and recrute more gray wardens. Evry thing you do as gray warden will efect the world but do not brake any of the rules of the gray wardens they have no rules is up to gray warden to chose how they rules is.

[robertthebard]

fantasypisces wrote...

Felene, you have a strong opinion, but calling everyone elses choices being nothing but evil and self-centered is a little unjustified. As I have said in numerous other choices, I don't think the child will be evil.

You seem to think of Morrigan as this huge evil women, when she is not. She hates demons, she hates darkspawn, and she generally wants to do the right thing if it goes with her goals. Hell, did you friend her or get her to love one your characters? If you did, you will notice she has greatly changed since the beginning of the story.
I do not believe she would willingly let the child become tainted. And we don't know if the child can become tainted. The final fact is we do not really know the whole story, so you can't come in here and say that it is only a selfish choice and all our reasoning is nonsense. My character does not believe in the Maker, he did believe in the old gods. Therefore, is saving the old god selfish, erm no. If it was Leliana and the archdemon was the maker corrupted. Then Morrigan said I can have a child that will obsorb the makers soul free of the taint. Would Leliana say no? Would any other Maker loving person say no? Of course not, they would be all for it.
Anyway, by going with the ritual, I ended the blight (check), Made my love not leave me out of disqust (check), allowed an Old God to be freed from her (mental) slavery and be reborn (check), perserved the life of my friend (check), allowed there to be two Grey Wardens remaining, therefore easier to rebuild the order (check). Erm, that doesn't sound selfish to me at all.
Not everyone is the ultimate goodie-two-shoes hero that is willing to sacrifice themselves for a cause that was just thrown onto them.
Therefore I think it is very wrong of you to claim all reasoning is to do it is selfish, because even you don't know. There are many reasons as to why it wouldn't be.
Hell the act of denying it because you, and you alone (in the game) think it is a bad idea, is kind of selfish in itself, isn't it? For all you know, neither your character or the other two grey wardens would even make it to the archdemon, so it is good to have a backup. Morrigan essentially becomes a fourth through the child.
If your character was wholly dedicated to the Grey Wardens (unlike mine), then you would believe at stopping the blight no matter the cost. A potential demon baby is a significant cost, but if the end justifies the means, then that is all that matters.
Anyway, I don't think the child will be evil and I don't think it would become another archdemon (afterall, Grey Warden blood flows in it's veins, and the point of being a Grey Warden is that YOU SURVIVED THE TAINT!), that is my characters viewpoint, ergo I do not believe he is selfish

The whole thing is a grey area, but for me, it was done selfishly.  I didn't want to die, and I wanted to insure that Loghain would live as a Grey Warden to atone for his crimes the hard way, instead of getting to take the easy way out.  Now, he is responsible for rebuilding the Grey Wardens that he despised just slightly less than Orlais.  Perfect Irony.

However, as I have stated, since morals are fluid, I'm sure somebody could justify it, w/out rationalizing it.  I can see, based on the Chantry's evident policies, exactly how they would deal with Andraste's Ashes.  They would keep as tight a lid on them as they do lyrium trade.  It is far better that they remain a myth, either by being destroyed or hidden away, than to allow the Chantry to gain control of them, or allow them to be an open spectacle.  As Alistair quips, I hope it's self replenishing.  It wouldn't take long until they were gone.  Is it a moral dilemma?  It depends, if one is a devout worshipper of the Maker, then yeah, I'd have to say it is.  However, if one isn't, then no.  In fact, if one isn't, it would be hard to care one way or the other.

[fantasypisces]

Robertthehead,

Exactly, a lot of it is based upon how you play your character. For my warrior, accepting the ritual will be selfish, he wants to stay with Leliana. But for my mage, no it was not selfish, it all depends. So I'm just saying it is wrong to universally state it is selfish no matter the reason, that I do not agree with.

I love your sig by the way

[DaySeeker]

It is a selfish choice, as a PC is doing it to save their own life, the rest is rationaliztion. That it is selfish does not make it wrong, what makes it wrong is that it is a choice made without any information; information that Morrigan refuses to provide. Saying that she can be trusted is silly, and she has told you that many times. Saying she hates darkspawn may be true, but it is not because she wants to help, it is because they are a threat to her power. She has joined you with the ritual as her end goal. She also hates all of your party and maybe even you. She has fought for her own selfish ends and never denied it. Any selfless act, any deviation or delay from her end goal she has insulted or degraded you for. Where is this trust coming from? And if she really deserved your trust why not reciprocate it? Why wait to tell you what she knew of the Gray Wardens and the final sacrifice, why pretend she knew nothing about her mother's plans or abilities? Why desert you if you did not do as she wanted on the biggest and most important battle against the darkspawn? Why not let you, a great leader and savior be part of the parenting of this old god? None of this sounds altruistic. She waits until the last moment just after you get the news you are going to die and gives you less then five minutes to decide. She is manipulating you.

[Silensfurtim]

DaySeeker wrote...



It is a selfish choice, as a PC is doing it to save their own life, the rest is rationaliztion. That it is selfish does not make it wrong, what makes it wrong is that it is a choice made without any information; information that Morrigan refuses to provide. Saying that she can be trusted is silly, and she has told you that many times. Saying she hates darkspawn may be true, but it is not because she wants to help, it is because they are a threat to her power. She has joined you with the ritual as her end goal. She also hates all of your party and maybe even you. She has fought for her own selfish ends and never denied it. Any selfless act, any deviation or delay from her end goal she has insulted or degraded you for. Where is this trust coming from? And if she really deserved your trust why not reciprocate it? Why wait to tell you what she knew of the Gray Wardens and the final sacrifice, why pretend she knew nothing about her mother's plans or abilities? Why desert you if you did not do as she wanted on the biggest and most important battle against the darkspawn? Why not let you, a great leader and savior be part of the parenting of this old god? None of this sounds altruistic. She waits until the last moment just after you get the news you are going to die and gives you less then five minutes to decide. She is manipulating you.

hehe. funny, alot of people fail to see this.



all they give you is..



"oh, i trust morrigan!"

"shes a good friend of mine!"



yet she leaves you like an old, wet, soiled underwear.

[Felene]

[quote]fantasypisces wrote...

Felene, you have a strong opinion, but calling everyone elses choices being nothing but evil and self-centered is a little unjustified.[/quote]

Did I say everyone?

[quote]Felene wrote...

Half of the people who took the offer doesn't even realize the consequences and the responsibility one has to take if the choice turn out to be a poor one.

All their self-justification excuse for taking that offer are made of self-centric, navie, irresponsible, and downright selfish.[/quote]

Did I say anyone who took the offer is evil?

[quote]Felene wrote...

I never say the dark ritual is wrong, what is wrong when someone simply doesn't want to die?

The point of this thread is to discuss if the act itself is selfish or not.

I say it is.

Now, is selfish wrong [or evil, whichever you prefer]?[/quote]

[quote]fantasypisces wrote...

As I have said in numerous other choices, I don't think the child will be evil.

You seem to think of Morrigan as this huge evil women, when she is not. She hates demons, she hates darkspawn, and she generally wants to do the right thing if it goes with her goals. Hell, did you friend her or get her to love one your characters? If you did, you will notice she has greatly changed since the beginning of the story. [/quote]

Did I say Morrigan is evil?

[quote]Felene wrote...

You choose to leave this innocent life in the hand of a woman who know nothing about how to raise a child properly, unpredictable, power seeking, and untrustworthy.[/quote]

I would like to point out, again.

[quote]Felene wrote...

The reason Morrigan joins the Warden's party is to use it for her gain, which is to creat a Old God child.[/quote]

Seems like she left you at the end, so I will say she doesn't change much.

She still value herself higher than anyone.

And yes, my PC did romance her and befriended her.

[quote]fantasypisces wrote...

I do not believe she would willingly let the child become tainted. And we don't know if the child can become tainted. The final fact is we do not really know the whole story, so you can't come in here and say that it is only a selfish choice and all our reasoning is nonsense.[/quote]

Hmm, I will say, she will harm the child if it will be beneficial to herself, soo beneficial, she won't hesitate do it.

An archdemon is a taint Old God, proofs Old God can be taint, and the child is a Old God reborn, thus a possible archdemon, is it not?

You can't completely deny the fact that it can become an archdemon.

Your point is, wishful thinking, "I hope it won't become an archdemon."

My point is, fact, "It has the possibility to become an archdemon."

[quote]fantasypisces wrote...

My character does not believe in the Maker, he did believe in the old gods. Therefore, is saving the old god selfish, erm no.[/quote]

Your PC makes a choice on behalf of all life on Thedas with a simple reason, I believe in the Old Gods?

Give me a few good reasons why is it not self-centric, navie, irresponsible, and downright selfish.

[quote]fantasypisces wrote...

If it was Leliana and the archdemon was the maker corrupted. Then Morrigan said I can have a child that will obsorb the makers soul free of the taint. Would Leliana say no? Would any other Maker loving person say no? Of course not, they would be all for it.[/quote]

And Leliana will jump in Lake Calenhad and drown herself if I can convice her the Maker told me so.

[quote]fantasypisces wrote...

Anyway, by going with the ritual, I ended the blight (check)[/quote]

Yes, the current Blight is indeed ended in the game regardless of PC's choice.

But in this particular situation, it was ended with a possibility of starting a new Blight.

[quote]Made my love not leave me out of disqust (check)[/quote]

A totally selfish reason, for it is clearly for personal gain only.

[quote]allowed an Old God to be freed from her (mental) slavery and be reborn (check)[/quote]

Yes, free a Old God without knowing its true nature, simply believe it will be good.

[quote]perserved the life of my friend (check)[/quote]

Yes, and I would like to point out, sacrifice oneself can also did the same.

[quote]allowed there to be two Grey Wardens remaining, therefore easier to rebuild the order (check)[/quote]

Hmm, yes.

But is one person going to make all the difference?

Not to mention nobody say you can't ask for help.

[quote]Erm, that doesn't sound selfish to me at all.[/quote]

Hmm, let's see, one of those self-justification excuse does sound selfish.

And one of those does sound navie.

And you didn't mention there is possibility you can be wrong, or if you are wrong, how are you going to handle the consequences of your action.

So yeah, you fall to the half of the people who took the offer doesn't even realize the consequences and the responsibility one has to take if the choice turn out to be a poor one.

Your self-justification excuse for taking that offer are made of self-centric, navie, irresponsible, and downright selfish.

[quote]fantasypisces wrote...

Not everyone is the ultimate goodie-two-shoes hero that is willing to sacrifice themselves for a cause that was just thrown onto them.[/quote]

Not this again.

"I don't want to be a Grey Warden from the start! So I can rightfully throw away all responsibility to the trashcan and have someone else suffer the consequences of my action. HAHA too bad for them!":lol:

That reason is very very selfish you know...

[quote]Therefore I think it is very wrong of you to claim all reasoning is to do it is selfish, because even you don't know. There are many reasons as to why it wouldn't be.[/quote]

Yup, not all of them is selfish.

Some of reason is navie, irresponsible, or ignorance.

[quote]Hell the act of denying it because you, and you alone (in the game) think it is a bad idea, is kind of selfish in itself, isn't it?[/quote]

[sigh]

I never deny the act.

I didn't think it is bad, wrong, or evil.

I think it is selfish.

[quote]For all you know, neither your character or the other two grey wardens would even make it to the archdemon, so it is good to have a backup.[/quote]

A backup for what?

[quote]Morrigan essentially becomes a fourth through the child.

If your character was wholly dedicated to the Grey Wardens (unlike mine), then you would believe at stopping the blight no matter the cost. A potential demon baby is a significant cost, but if the end justifies the means, then that is all that matters.[/quote]

A Grey Warden stop the Blight at all cost. Prevent the Blight at all cost. And will sacrifice his/her life or life of anyone else to end the Blight.

A potential archdemon baby is hardly a considerable cost at all.

It is simply selfish act to save the life of oneself.

[quote]Anyway, I don't think the child will be evil and I don't think it would become another archdemon (afterall, Grey Warden blood flows in it's veins, and the point of being a Grey Warden is that YOU SURVIVED THE TAINT!), that is my characters viewpoint, ergo I do not believe he is selfish[/quote]

Hmm, it is fine if you wish to live in a lie.

Who am I to say no.

Modifié par Felene, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:32 .

[Felene]

Silensfurtim wrote...

DaySeeker wrote...

It is a selfish choice, as a PC is doing it to save their own life, the rest is rationaliztion. That it is selfish does not make it wrong, what makes it wrong is that it is a choice made without any information; information that Morrigan refuses to provide. Saying that she can be trusted is silly, and she has told you that many times. Saying she hates darkspawn may be true, but it is not because she wants to help, it is because they are a threat to her power. She has joined you with the ritual as her end goal. She also hates all of your party and maybe even you. She has fought for her own selfish ends and never denied it. Any selfless act, any deviation or delay from her end goal she has insulted or degraded you for. Where is this trust coming from? And if she really deserved your trust why not reciprocate it? Why wait to tell you what she knew of the Gray Wardens and the final sacrifice, why pretend she knew nothing about her mother's plans or abilities? Why desert you if you did not do as she wanted on the biggest and most important battle against the darkspawn? Why not let you, a great leader and savior be part of the parenting of this old god? None of this sounds altruistic. She waits until the last moment just after you get the news you are going to die and gives you less then five minutes to decide. She is manipulating you.

hehe. funny, alot of people fail to see this.

all they give you is..

"oh, i trust morrigan!"
"shes a good friend of mine!"

yet she leaves you like an old, wet, soiled underwear.

You miss the "She has changed when I become her friend!"

[Felene]

Crrash wrote...

but the thing is, we those who chose to trust morrigan have a different view of morrigan. we see her as a woman we have learned to trust as we fought closely together against unimaginable obstacles, does what she deems necessary for survival , will do everything in her might to ensure the survival of the child, and isn't very unpredictable (the child however is).

Well, at least you admint the child is unpredictable, which is a start.

[Silensfurtim]

Felene wrote...

You miss the "She has changed when I become her friend!"

heres another few.

"she let me f*ck her, so I trust her."
"she let me kiss her even before reaching lothering, so i trust her."
"she opened herself to me. she was so vulnerable. so i trusted her. but then she left me and dont want to be found. i still trust her."

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 11 décembre 2009 - 04:59 .

[Felene]

Silensfurtim wrote...

Felene wrote...

You miss the "She has changed when I become her friend!"

heres another few.

"she let me f*ck her, so I trust her."
"she let me kiss her even before reaching lothering, so i trust her."
"she opened herself to me. she was so vulnerable. so i trusted her. but then she left me and dont want to be found. i still trust her."

And they say its not blind trust.

[Silensfurtim]

I mean, come on.. Its like entrusting an Atomic Bomb to someone who happens to disapprove on everything that you do good, then suddenly vanishes and not wanting to be found.

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 11 décembre 2009 - 05:00 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

Silensfurtim wrote...

DaySeeker wrote...

It is a selfish choice, as a PC is doing it to save their own life, the rest is rationaliztion. That it is selfish does not make it wrong, what makes it wrong is that it is a choice made without any information; information that Morrigan refuses to provide. Saying that she can be trusted is silly, and she has told you that many times. Saying she hates darkspawn may be true, but it is not because she wants to help, it is because they are a threat to her power. She has joined you with the ritual as her end goal. She also hates all of your party and maybe even you. She has fought for her own selfish ends and never denied it. Any selfless act, any deviation or delay from her end goal she has insulted or degraded you for. Where is this trust coming from? And if she really deserved your trust why not reciprocate it? Why wait to tell you what she knew of the Gray Wardens and the final sacrifice, why pretend she knew nothing about her mother's plans or abilities? Why desert you if you did not do as she wanted on the biggest and most important battle against the darkspawn? Why not let you, a great leader and savior be part of the parenting of this old god? None of this sounds altruistic. She waits until the last moment just after you get the news you are going to die and gives you less then five minutes to decide. She is manipulating you.

hehe. funny, alot of people fail to see this.

all they give you is..

"oh, i trust morrigan!"
"shes a good friend of mine!"

yet she leaves you like an old, wet, soiled underwear.

There's a lot of reasons why she could have left.  Ignoring them and assuming the worst does not make you correct.

And yes, by ignoring most of what she tells you you can rationalize her as being unchanged by her experiences with and untrusting of the Grey Warden.  If you hate her at the beginning, she's never going to seem like a trustworthy person to you.

[DariusKalera]

Well, to be honest, the only one of your companions that you can "actually" trust is Dog. All of the rest of them have their own agendas just like Morrigan does and they all disapprove if you do something they do not like, just as Morrigan does.



The only difference between them and Morrigan is that Morrigan gives you a choice at the end to save your life.

[Felene]

DariusKalera wrote...

Well, to be honest, the only one of your companions that you can "actually" trust is Dog. All of the rest of them have their own agendas just like Morrigan does and they all disapprove if you do something they do not like, just as Morrigan does.

The only difference between them and Morrigan is that Morrigan gives you a choice at the end to save your life.

Well, I am sure if Dog can become a Grey Warden, able to make that killing blow and sacrifice itself to save the PC, it will do it.

Or, if it is Dog who offer the ritual I can completely trust it won't abuse the power the Old God child brings with.

It will stay and not run away, also share every detail I want on its plan with the Old God child, honestly.

And Dog will try to kill the Old God child if it becomes tainted or decided killing human is fun.

The only problem in this case is who will sleep with the Dog or is someone going to call the animal abuse.

Call me blind trust.

Modifié par Felene, 11 décembre 2009 - 06:32 .