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[Melkor-Son of None]

Volourn wrote...

1. Stopped the blight.

2. Spared GW and loved ones from an evil curse.

3. Saved a soul of an innocent being (as far as we know).

4. Or caused another Blight or something even more evil by giving a God baby  to a mysterious woman (Morrigan), who will not reveal her intentions and is a power hungry person.

5. Possibly condemming millions of people because he was scared ****less of dying, and took the 'easy' way out.

LONG LIVE VOLOURN SAVIOUR OF INNOCENT SOULS AND STOPPER UP THE BLIGHT AND UPHOLDER OF THE GREY WARDEN MORALS (as evil as GW *cough* Duncan *cough*)!!!

[Melkor-Son of None]

[/quote]
I'm going to call foul right here.  See bolded part.  Being forced to do something, and choosing to follow your own moral compass regardless isn't irresponsible.  If you were forced into prostitution, and refused to participate, would this mean that you were irresponsible?  Drastic example, but really, the character has found out that not only did they risk their lives by drinking the blood in the first place, that they have cut years off their lives due to the side effects of the taint, and then they find out that they are expected to have a 1 in 3 chance when the decision is thrust upon them of giving up their own life, how is this equal to irresponsible.  The only irresponsible Grey Warden in this game is argueably Alistair, if you let Loghain live.  Despite all the "I'm so proud to be a Grey Warden" crap he spews all throughout the game, he leaves if you spare Loghain, and if you didn't harden him, he leaves Ferelden too.  So find another stance here, irresponsible doesn't cut it, because despite the ritual, the Blight still ends.[/quote]


Your comparison to a prostitute is pathetic. A prostitute is not charged with saving the lives of others from a horrible death or something even worse. A Grey Warden must put all others above himself, a prostitute does not need to make any decision that is even close to that.

Care to try again?

[robertthebard]

Melkor-Son of None wrote...
I'm going to call foul right here.  See bolded part.  Being forced to do something, and choosing to follow your own moral compass regardless isn't irresponsible.  If you were forced into prostitution, and refused to participate, would this mean that you were irresponsible?  Drastic example, but really, the character has found out that not only did they risk their lives by drinking the blood in the first place, that they have cut years off their lives due to the side effects of the taint, and then they find out that they are expected to have a 1 in 3 chance when the decision is thrust upon them of giving up their own life, how is this equal to irresponsible.  The only irresponsible Grey Warden in this game is argueably Alistair, if you let Loghain live.  Despite all the "I'm so proud to be a Grey Warden" crap he spews all throughout the game, he leaves if you spare Loghain, and if you didn't harden him, he leaves Ferelden too.  So find another stance here, irresponsible doesn't cut it, because despite the ritual, the Blight still ends.

Your comparison to a prostitute is pathetic. A prostitute is not charged with saving the lives of others from a horrible death or something even worse. A Grey Warden must put all others above himself, a prostitute does not need to make any decision that is even close to that.

Care to try again?

Quotes work better when trying to quote.  However, the point was I was given no choice about being a Grey Warden.  I was conscripted.  I am now a slave to humanity because I killed the raping son of an Arl, and yet, I'm supposed to feel like I owe these people my life?  Care to try again?

Modifié par robertthebard, 12 décembre 2009 - 02:56 .

[DariusKalera]

GammaRayJim wrote...

Morrigan wants the child because a)Flemmeth took over her body after she was killed and is now going to raise her next host with old god powers or she Morrigan now having learned how Flemmeth did this through the Black Grimoire and is now going to raise her own host.

Except we do not know if the child will be born with powers or not.   It could very well be that the powers of the Old Gods resided in their bodies and have no connection to thier souls what so ever. 

[Melkor-Son of None]

robertthebard wrote...

Melkor-Son of None wrote...
I'm going to call foul right here.  See bolded part.  Being forced to do something, and choosing to follow your own moral compass regardless isn't irresponsible.  If you were forced into prostitution, and refused to participate, would this mean that you were irresponsible?  Drastic example, but really, the character has found out that not only did they risk their lives by drinking the blood in the first place, that they have cut years off their lives due to the side effects of the taint, and then they find out that they are expected to have a 1 in 3 chance when the decision is thrust upon them of giving up their own life, how is this equal to irresponsible.  The only irresponsible Grey Warden in this game is argueably Alistair, if you let Loghain live.  Despite all the "I'm so proud to be a Grey Warden" crap he spews all throughout the game, he leaves if you spare Loghain, and if you didn't harden him, he leaves Ferelden too.  So find another stance here, irresponsible doesn't cut it, because despite the ritual, the Blight still ends.

Your comparison to a prostitute is pathetic. A prostitute is not charged with saving the lives of others from a horrible death or something even worse. A Grey Warden must put all others above himself, a prostitute does not need to make any decision that is even close to that.

Care to try again?

Quotes work better when trying to quote.  However, the point was I was given no choice about being a Grey Warden.  I was conscripted.  I am now a slave to humanity because I killed the raping son of an Arl, and yet, I'm supposed to feel like I owe these people my life?  Care to try again?

No, not really considering your last post was one a selfish person would make. Because you were wronged by a group of people from a city, you are willing to condemn an entire nation to death. A selfless person would rise above that and do what they could to save the lives of others.

[marshalleck]

Felene wrote....

An archdemon is only made if a darkspawn tainted a Old God.

Is all previous Blight, the Old God that was tainted was imprison deep underground.

Only when a darkspawn successfully find the Old God, taint it, an archdemon is made.

So it takes roughly about four centries for the darkspawn to dig through all the earth between them and a imprison Old God.

By lore there is only seven imprisoned Old God through out Thedas, and four of them has been slain in the previous four Blight.

The fifth Blight is ended at the end of the game.

But if the character choose to take the ritual, the eighth Old God is created.

Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.

This is the same logic I could use to murder all the women in Ferelden, because it's *possible* they could be corrupted and become Broodmothers. You have to admit that probability is a factor here, but you have no grounds for determining the probability of a free Old God's corruption. So you present your argument against the Old God as though its corruption is a foregone conclusion. Using this same a priori justification it is imperative that you kill all women in Ferelden before they become Broodmothers; remember you've already decided that the likelihood of it happening does not matter. All that matters is that it's possible, and therefore must be prevented from occuring.

What's the population of Ferelden? Maybe a million people? That's 500,000 Broodmothers then. You better get busy, this situation is dire.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 décembre 2009 - 03:48 .

[robertthebard]

Melkor-Son of None wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Melkor-Son of None wrote...
I'm going to call foul right here.  See bolded part.  Being forced to do something, and choosing to follow your own moral compass regardless isn't irresponsible.  If you were forced into prostitution, and refused to participate, would this mean that you were irresponsible?  Drastic example, but really, the character has found out that not only did they risk their lives by drinking the blood in the first place, that they have cut years off their lives due to the side effects of the taint, and then they find out that they are expected to have a 1 in 3 chance when the decision is thrust upon them of giving up their own life, how is this equal to irresponsible.  The only irresponsible Grey Warden in this game is argueably Alistair, if you let Loghain live.  Despite all the "I'm so proud to be a Grey Warden" crap he spews all throughout the game, he leaves if you spare Loghain, and if you didn't harden him, he leaves Ferelden too.  So find another stance here, irresponsible doesn't cut it, because despite the ritual, the Blight still ends.

Your comparison to a prostitute is pathetic. A prostitute is not charged with saving the lives of others from a horrible death or something even worse. A Grey Warden must put all others above himself, a prostitute does not need to make any decision that is even close to that.

Care to try again?

Quotes work better when trying to quote.  However, the point was I was given no choice about being a Grey Warden.  I was conscripted.  I am now a slave to humanity because I killed the raping son of an Arl, and yet, I'm supposed to feel like I owe these people my life?  Care to try again?

No, not really considering your last post was one a selfish person would make. Because you were wronged by a group of people from a city, you are willing to condemn an entire nation to death. A selfless person would rise above that and do what they could to save the lives of others.

I believe I posted earlier that if the option had existed, I would have pulled an Alistair, and left Ferelden to it's fate.  I also stated before that in doing the ritual with that character, she was very much being selfish.  She made Loghain do the ritual, to ensure that he would live to have to rebuild the order he destroyed.  Probably my very first post in this thread.  I have no illusions that I did it for any but selfish reasons.  I also have no problems with that.  It's all these alleged side effects that people keep throwing out that keep me posting here, since they have less to go on than what I had when I did the ritual.  BTW, it's interesting to note that even if you do the ritual, the Blight is still ended.  I get to look all the hero to a group of people that I'd just as soon kill myself.  However, play the City Elf origin as a female, and see how you feel about the citizens of Ferelden.

[Felene]

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote....

An archdemon is only made if a darkspawn tainted a Old God.

In all previous Blight, the Old God that was tainted was imprison deep underground.

Only when a darkspawn successfully find the Old God, taint it, an archdemon is made.

So it takes roughly about four centries for the darkspawn to dig through all the earth between them and a imprison Old God.

By lore there is only seven imprisoned Old God through out Thedas, and four of them has been slain in the previous four Blight.

The fifth Blight is ended at the end of the game.

But if the character choose to take the ritual, a Old God is reborn.

Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.

This is the same logic I could use to murder all the women in Ferelden, because it's *possible* they could be corrupted and become Broodmothers.

Fixed.

Then it is time to go back to the begin of that statement.

Is dark ritual a selfish act as a Grey Warden?

I say it is.

What is the duty of a Grey Warden?

A Grey Warden stop the Blight at all cost. Prevent the Blight at all cost. And will sacrifice his/her life or life of anyone else to end the Blight.

The logic here is he/she act against his/her own duty - "Prevent the Blight at all cost." in order to save his/her own life.

Therefore, selfish.

So by your statement and logic, if every woman in Thedas are having Old God baby, then YES, The Grey Wardens will try to kill all woman or at least all the Old God babies before they are born.

But of course this assumption is base on if all woman on Thedas have the knowledge and the ability to perform the dark ritual and have sex with a Grey Warden.

Which, seems impossible to me.

Modifié par Felene, 12 décembre 2009 - 06:06 .

[marshalleck]

Wow, you clearly don't understand your own logic.

The situation you describe does not apply to me, because I reject out of hand the proposition that something which *could* occur, is guaranteed to occur.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 décembre 2009 - 03:51 .

[Felene]

marshalleck wrote...

Wow, you clearly don't understand your own logic.

The situation you describe does not apply to me, because I reject it out of hand the proposition that something which *could* occur, is guaranteed to occur.

No, you are the one who has clearly fail to read and understand my post.

The duty of Grey Warden is to end Blight, prevent Blight at all cost.

Does a Broodmother start Blight?

[marshalleck]

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Wow, you clearly don't understand your own logic.

The situation you describe does not apply to me, because I reject it out of hand the proposition that something which *could* occur, is guaranteed to occur.

No, you are the one who has clearly fail to read and understand my post.

The duty of Grey Warden is to end Blight, prevent Blight at all cost.

Does a Broodmother start Blight?

Yes. Broodmothers create more Darkspawn, which tunnel around the earth until they find an imprisoned Old God and corrupt it. Wardens don't just sit on their hands and do nothing about Darkspawn unless there is an Archdemon; they fight them wherever they pop up.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 décembre 2009 - 04:01 .

[Felene]

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Wow, you clearly don't understand your own logic.

The situation you describe does not apply to me, because I reject it out of hand the proposition that something which *could* occur, is guaranteed to occur.

No, you are the one who has clearly fail to read and understand my post.

The duty of Grey Warden is to end Blight, prevent Blight at all cost.

Does a Broodmother start Blight?

Yes. Broodmothers create more Darkspawn, which tunnel around the earth until they find an imprisoned Old God and corrupt it.

Now that logic will kill all woman on Thedas.

[marshalleck]

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Wow, you clearly don't understand your own logic.

The situation you describe does not apply to me, because I reject it out of hand the proposition that something which *could* occur, is guaranteed to occur.

No, you are the one who has clearly fail to read and understand my post.

The duty of Grey Warden is to end Blight, prevent Blight at all cost.

Does a Broodmother start Blight?

Yes. Broodmothers create more Darkspawn, which tunnel around the earth until they find an imprisoned Old God and corrupt it.

Now that logic will kill all woman on Thedas.

It's your logic. You do not account for probability at all, therefore all women *are* Broodmothers.

[Forsakerr]

in my last playthrough i had a dorf commoner so there wasn't really nothing to go back (in his mind) to his old life so he sacrificed himself , i guess it depends of the choices you make as a character and stuff but yeah it s kind of selfish in a way to accept the ritual

[Felene]

marshalleck wrote...

It's your logic. You do not account for probability at all, therefore all women *are* Broodmothers.

No, it is not. You thought of that logic yourself. My logic is not all woman will be kill if they are having Old God baby.

Quote something I wrote that state I do not account for probability at all.

In fact, I account for all possibility to gain the conclusion. "The dark ritual is a selfish act as a Grey Warden."

Modifié par Felene, 12 décembre 2009 - 06:13 .

[DariusKalera]

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote....

An archdemon is only made if a darkspawn tainted a Old God.

Is all previous Blight, the Old God that was tainted was imprison deep underground.

Only when a darkspawn successfully find the Old God, taint it, an archdemon is made.

So it takes roughly about four centries for the darkspawn to dig through all the earth between them and a imprison Old God.

By lore there is only seven imprisoned Old God through out Thedas, and four of them has been slain in the previous four Blight.

The fifth Blight is ended at the end of the game.

But if the character choose to take the ritual, a Old God is reborn.

Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.

This is the same logic I could use to murder all the women in Ferelden, because it's *possible* they could be corrupted and become Broodmothers.

Fixed.

Then it is time to go back to the begin of that statement.

Is dark ritual a selfish act as a Grey Warden?

I say it is.

What is the duty of a Grey Warden?

A Grey Warden stop the Blight at all cost. Prevent the Blight at all
cost. And will sacrifice his/her life or life of anyone else to end the
Blight.

The logic here is he/she act against his/her own duty - "Prevent the Blight at all
cost." in order to save his/her own life.

Therefore, selfish.

So by your statement and logic, if every woman in Thedas are having Old God baby, then YES, The Grey Wardens will try to kill all woman or at least all the Old God babies before they are born.

But of course this assumption is base on if all woman on Thedas have the knowledge and the ability to perform the dark ritual and have sex with a Grey Warden.

Which, seems impossible to me.

Your assumption is that you know, for certain, that the child can become an archdemon and therefore can lead another Blight.  Simple fact is, you can not know for certain. 

Are all Archdemons Old Gods?  Yes.

Are all Old Gods Archdemons?  No. 

The Old Gods have to be found and corrupted.  They are found by Darkspawn using the Old Gods' "song" to find them.  However, we do not know where this "song" originates from.  Is it from their soul, thier body, or is it from some mystical force that just surrounds them?    We do not know. 

We do not even know if the ritual baby can even become an Archdemon.  You assume that it can be simply to prove your point.  You can not prove it one way or another.  If the child can not become an Archdemon, then the Grey Warden did not act against thier duty and therefore, the act is not selfish.

You stated that "A Grey Warden will sacrifice to life to prevent a Blight at all costs."  But, that does not mean that they must sacrifice thier lives to prevent a  Blight. 

[marshalleck]

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It's your logic. You do not account for probability at all, therefore all women *are* Broodmothers.

No, it is not. You thought of that logic yourself. My logic is all woman will be kill if they are having Old God baby.

Proof it.

Quote something I wrote that state I do not account for probability at all.

I already did. Every time you condemn the decision to save an Old God based on the possibility that it could be corrupted, you disregard any probability in the matter--it's guilty of being an Archdemon, because it could theoretically become an Archdemon in the future.

You condemn it to death for what it could be, not what it is. Just like Templars will murder children because they could conceivably someday be maleficar.

Look at this another way. Your own child could become a tyrant, or a murderer, in the future. Do you smother the child in its crib because of what it could be? Killing your own child is after all guaranteed to prevent it from ever causing harm to others.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 décembre 2009 - 04:26 .

[Felene]

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Modifié par Felene, 12 décembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[marshalleck]

Felene wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...

Your assumption is that you know, for certain, that the child can become an archdemon and therefore can lead another Blight.  Simple fact is, you can not know for certain.

Felene wrote...

But if the character choose to take the ritual, a Old God is reborn. Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.

The child is a Old God that can be tainted by a darkspawn and become an archdemon that can start a Blight.

Please note I say can, as in "able to", not will, as in "it will happen".

Are all Archdemons Old Gods?  Yes.

Yes. This is my logic and fact.

Are all Old Gods Archdemons?  No.

Now that is not my logic, my logic is "All Old Gods can become archdemon."

And all women can be turned into Broodmothers. Would you kill all women in Ferelden because of that?

And nothing else you offered is conclusive. It's all assumption, and just as "naive" as you claim any other viewpoint aside from your own to be.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 décembre 2009 - 05:11 .

[Felene]

[Repost.]

[quote]DariusKalera wrote...

Your assumption is that you know, for certain, that the child can become an archdemon and therefore can lead another Blight.  Simple fact is, you can not know for certain.[/quote]

[quote]Felene wrote...

But if the character choose to take the ritual, a Old God is reborn. Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.[/quote]

The child is a Old God that can be tainted by a darkspawn and become an archdemon that can start a Blight.

Please note I say can, as in "able to", not will, as in "it will happen".

[quote]Are all Archdemons Old Gods?  Yes.[/quote] Yes. This is my logic and fact.

[quote]Are all Old Gods Archdemons?  No.[/quote]

Now that is not my logic, my logic is "All Old Gods can become archdemon."

[quote]The Old Gods have to be found and corrupted.[/quote]

I do hope you mean can be found and corrupted.

[quote]They are found by Darkspawn using the Old Gods' "song" to find them.[/quote]

Warning, [SPOILERS for the Dragon Age book: The Calling.]

The "song" is called "the Calling."

Old Gods are found by darkspawn who hear the Calling all the time and was driven by it to search for any Old God left on Thedas.

[quote]However, we do not know where this "song" originates from.  Is it from their soul, thier body, or is it from some mystical force that just surrounds them?    We do not know.[/quote]

Yes, we don't know for sure if the child can call for darkspawn by this way.

[quote]We do not even know if the ritual baby can even become an Archdemon.[/quote]

You assume the baby is immune to the taint?

Now that is wishful thinking.

Which falls in to the navie reason.

[quote]Felene wrote...

"navie" - "I trust Morrigan!" "I think Old God is good!" "I hope the child won't be taint!"

Yes, thinking with only personal benefit is selfish.

But thinking without any responsibility and consequences makes it not selfish?

Simply following one's own believe regardless of the situation and the lives at stake make them unselfish?

A person believes in him/herself to be correct regardless if he/she is wrong others will suffer for the consequences of his/her action is selfish.

One of the definetion of "selfish" - Having regard for oneself above others' well-being.[/quote]

[quote]You assume that it can be simply to prove your point.[/quote]

And you assume that it can't be simply to prove your point.

[quote]You can not prove it one way or another.  If the child can not become an Archdemon, then the Grey Warden did not act against thier duty and therefore, the act is not selfish.[/quote]

Same goes for you, you can't prove it one way or another. If the child can become an Archdemon, then the Grey Warden did act against thier duty and therefore, the act is selfish.

[quote]You stated that "A Grey Warden will sacrifice to life to prevent a Blight at all costs."  But, that does not mean that they must sacrifice thier lives to prevent a  Blight.[/quote]

Ehh, NO, have you ever read the Grey Warden motto?

"In war, victory. In peace, vigilance. In death, sacrifice." - Grey Wardens' motto

Please note the "In death, sacrifice."

Yes, a Grey Warden will sacrifice his/her life or anyone's life to do his/her duty.

If PC refuse to die and agree the ritual which creat a possibility of a new Blight.

Then, PC are acting selfish by against his/her duty.

Modifié par Felene, 12 décembre 2009 - 05:25 .

[Ravauviel]

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...

Your assumption is that you know, for certain, that the child can become an archdemon and therefore can lead another Blight.  Simple fact is, you can not know for certain.

Felene wrote...

But if the character choose to take the ritual, a Old God is reborn. Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.

The child is a Old God that can be tainted by a darkspawn and become an archdemon that can start a Blight.

Please note I say can, as in "able to", not will, as in "it will happen".

Are all Archdemons Old Gods?  Yes.

Yes. This is my logic and fact.

Are all Old Gods Archdemons?  No.

Now that is not my logic, my logic is "All Old Gods can become archdemon."

And all women can be turned into Broodmothers. Would you kill all women in Ferelden because of that?

And nothing else you offered is conclusive. It's all assumption, and just as "naive" as you claim any other viewpoint aside from your own to be.

Err. that is a false analogy and a logical fallacy. 

Have all the souls of old gods been tainted thereby turning them into Arch-demons perpetrating Blights? YES. Thereby positing that an uncorrupted soul of the old will also likely succumb to the taint.

---> Inductive Reasoning

Have all women become Broodmothers? No Obviously. Do all women have the "potential" to become Broodmothers? YES "if captured by Darkspawn". So would I kill a woman who has been captured by Darkspawn? YES.

[marshalleck]

Ravauviel wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...

Your assumption is that you know, for certain, that the child can become an archdemon and therefore can lead another Blight.  Simple fact is, you can not know for certain.

Felene wrote...

But if the character choose to take the ritual, a Old God is reborn. Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.

The child is a Old God that can be tainted by a darkspawn and become an archdemon that can start a Blight.

Please note I say can, as in "able to", not will, as in "it will happen".

Are all Archdemons Old Gods?  Yes.

Yes. This is my logic and fact.

Are all Old Gods Archdemons?  No.

Now that is not my logic, my logic is "All Old Gods can become archdemon."

And all women can be turned into Broodmothers. Would you kill all women in Ferelden because of that?

And nothing else you offered is conclusive. It's all assumption, and just as "naive" as you claim any other viewpoint aside from your own to be.

Err. that is a false analogy and a logical fallacy. 

Have all the souls of old gods been tainted thereby turning them into Arch-demons perpetrating Blights? YES. Thereby positing that an uncorrupted soul of the old will also likely succumb to the taint.

---> Inductive Reasoning

Have all women become Broodmothers? No Obviously. Do all women have the "potential" to become Broodmothers? YES "if captured by Darkspawn". So would I kill a woman who has been captured by Darkspawn? YES.

Okay, well now that this thread seems to be working again.

Old Gods imprisoned in the earth become tainted, presumably because the power that keeps them imprisoned also deprives them of the ability to defend themselves. Your reasoning is flawed. There's no way to prove or disprove a claim that Old Gods willingly become Archdemons, so there's no way to prove that corruption is the inevitable conclusion.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 décembre 2009 - 05:32 .

[Ravauviel]

marshalleck wrote...

Ravauviel wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...

Your assumption is that you know, for certain, that the child can become an archdemon and therefore can lead another Blight.  Simple fact is, you can not know for certain.

Felene wrote...

But if the character choose to take the ritual, a Old God is reborn. Thus, created a possibility for another Blight.

The child is a Old God that can be tainted by a darkspawn and become an archdemon that can start a Blight.

Please note I say can, as in "able to", not will, as in "it will happen".

Are all Archdemons Old Gods?  Yes.

Yes. This is my logic and fact.

Are all Old Gods Archdemons?  No.

Now that is not my logic, my logic is "All Old Gods can become archdemon."

And all women can be turned into Broodmothers. Would you kill all women in Ferelden because of that?

And nothing else you offered is conclusive. It's all assumption, and just as "naive" as you claim any other viewpoint aside from your own to be.

Err. that is a false analogy and a logical fallacy. 

Have all the souls of old gods been tainted thereby turning them into Arch-demons perpetrating Blights? YES. Thereby positing that an uncorrupted soul of the old will also likely succumb to the taint.

---> Inductive Reasoning

Have all women become Broodmothers? No Obviously. Do all women have the "potential" to become Broodmothers? YES "if captured by Darkspawn". So would I kill a woman who has been captured by Darkspawn? YES.

Okay, well now that this thread seems to be working again.

Old Gods imprisoned in the earth become tainted, presumably because the power that keeps them imprisoned also deprives them of the ability to defend themselves. There's no way to prove or disprove a claim that Old Gods
willingly become Archdemons, so there's no way to prove that corruption is the inevitable conclusion.

That assertion does not in any way invalidate the fact that all old gods have been tained (with no exception). Perhaps the fate of Morrigan's child will be different, but until then this cannot be proven otherwise.

[marshalleck]

Ravauviel wrote...

That assertion does not in any way invalidate the fact that all old gods have been tained (with no exception). Perhaps the fate of Morrigan's child will be different, but until then this cannot be proven otherwise.

Not all Old Gods have been tainted however, and your reasoning fails to account for the fact that an Old God is obviously helpless to defend itself against darkspawn while imprisoned.

If you want to argue that imprisoned Old Gods are at risk of being corrupted and becoming Archdemons, I would agree with you completely. I would also argue that is why they should be freed, and not left to the mercy of darkspawn.

[Felene]

marshalleck wrote...

And all women can be turned into Broodmothers. Would you kill all women in Ferelden because of that? ...snip

Ravauviel wrote...

Err. that is a false analogy and a logical fallacy. 

Have all the souls of old gods been tainted thereby turning them into Arch-demons perpetrating Blights? YES. Thereby positing that an uncorrupted soul of the old will also likely succumb to the taint.

---> Inductive Reasoning

Have all women become Broodmothers? No Obviously. Do all women have the "potential" to become Broodmothers? YES "if captured by Darkspawn". So would I kill a woman who has been captured by Darkspawn? YES.

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Felene wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Wow, you clearly don't understand your own logic.

The situation you describe does not apply to me, because I reject it out of hand the proposition that something which *could* occur, is guaranteed to occur.

No, you are the one who has clearly fail to read and understand my post.

The duty of Grey Warden is to end Blight, prevent Blight at all cost.

Does a Broodmother start Blight?

Yes. Broodmothers create more Darkspawn, which tunnel around the earth until they find an imprisoned Old God and corrupt it.

Now that logic will kill all woman on Thedas. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

marshalleck, you still yet to quote anything I wrote that proofs my logic is your logic.

Modifié par Felene, 12 décembre 2009 - 05:39 .