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[Felene]

Baalzie wrote...

Felene wrote...
A hero knows he cannot save everyone or anyone, he save those he knows he can save.
By the way. Congratulation! You now have the mental age of a five-year-old. Not three-year-old anymore!

So he'd save the Old God which is a given since even if all wardens die whoever does the blow the Archdemon is NOT reborn...

Congratulations You have the Mental age of a 3yr old Biblebelt American...
You seem unable to read other peoples' writings and actually understand them, just like any fanatic...
You are simply wrong on most accounts and no matter the proof people put before You, You refuse to see them, and add Your own  childfantasies as a filter on top of it so it fits Your own views...
And tries to have an air of looking down on Your opponents as if talking to a child, even when obviously wrong, classic fanatic behaviour...

Having any debate with You is pointless, seeing as You will never understand that You are NOT the center of the world and Your ideas are NOT absolute truths...
My guess is You were a VERY spoiled child brought up in a "spiritual" home environment...
That's where most who can't understand the base of debates and always cling to beliefs *in this case that You are right no matter what* the way You do, come from...

And maybe You should ask the creators of the storyliune what the answers to Your questions are? They are after all the creators of this whole world and every single creature and entity in it...
But I guess they'd be wrong too....

You assume too much, thus made your logic false.

Please re-read all my posts and his posts, then, if you still insisting on your point, I will have no more argument with you.

I only wish one day will come when you re-read your own post and realize how childish it was.

And, yes, I don't need you to point out how childish I am to argue with people about an event that happen in a game and take it too seriouly!

Totally offtopic, I am an atheist and I have never read a Bible in my life.

Modifié par Felene, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:37 .

[axdorffe]

Baalzie... didnt need to bring religion and beliefs into this. That really didn't need to be said, and is a little offensive. And you imply that all "bible belt" Americans, are spoiled idiots... are you stereotyping? Maybe you didnt mean to say it, whatever i don't care anymore, just be aware there are people of all religions and beliefs that are on these forums and you could make just as valid of a point without trying to throw an insult at someone by discriminating against a culture.

[Felene]

Crrash wrote...

Felene wrote...
Just think about it, if PC will die no matter he/she agrees with the ritual or not, will the PC still agrees with it?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

yes, but semi-reluctant.
as i said before, the blight just moved to another place, my character feels its her responsibility to deal with the aftermath of a blight on the surface and the death of an archdemon, specially knowing what big impact she and her companions can have (however only Zevran and dog remain with her in the end). that is worth the comparatively small risk to her.
now if that major reason is gone, all she saves is the old god. She doesn't believe it to be much of a risk, but there IS some risk, and she feels bad about doing it without being there afterwards to take responsibility.

Hmm, perhaps it is better to see my question this way.

If you see a child that is going to get hit by a car, now the scenario is, you know for sure if you do not help, the child will die, and you know for sure if you do help, you will die, also even if you help, you don't know if the child is going to survive or not.

So, by you post I will say you will try to save the child in the given scenario.

Now if that is correct, I can respect your point and your choice.

Doesn't mean I agree through.

Modifié par Felene, 14 décembre 2009 - 07:48 .

[menasure]

why would a grey warden be any different than normal humans in a war situation? humans are rarely born as heros, they are made that by the situation. some might sacrifice themselves to save others but it is rarely a very conscious act when this happens , more like an impuls, and if there was a way out to save maybe one of them or their own life then i doubt most of them would hesitate. morals are rarely a match for survival instincts.
some people probably like to think of themselves as having a standard but the outcome would probably be very different if you really had to face such a choice. one thing might be different for grey wardens though: they're 'tainted' and being crazy might make them more susceptible to self-sacrifice, or the other way around. who knows?

Modifié par menasure, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:56 .

[Layn]

Felene wrote...

If you see a child that is going to get hit by a car, now the scenario is, you know for sure if you do not help, the child will die, and you know for sure if you do help, you will die, also even if you help, you don't know if the child is going to survive or not.

So, by you post I will say you will try to save the child in the given scenario.

me? i have no idea. i'd love to think that i would do it, but i would probably just freeze and be unable to do anything. or not. really depends how terrified i would be at the moment
my first warden? with full guarantee she would die? depends if there is something bigger going on. during the blight it would be a no. after the blight, yes.

though i don't see what that has to do with anything.

[Felene]

Crrash wrote...

Felene wrote...

If you see a child that is going to get hit by a car, now the scenario is, you know for sure if you do not help, the child will die, and you know for sure if you do help, you will die, also even if you help, you don't know if the child is going to survive or not.

So, by you post I will say you will try to save the child in the given scenario.

me? i have no idea. i'd love to think that i would do it, but i would probably just freeze and be unable to do anything. or not. really depends how terrified i would be at the moment
my first warden? with full guarantee she would die? depends if there is something bigger going on. during the blight it would be a no. after the blight, yes.

though i don't see what that has to do with anything.

The child is the archdemon, the car that is going to kill it is its impending death.

This is a reference to my question " If PC will die no matter he/she agrees with the ritual or not, will the PC still agrees with it? "

Also, the child & car scenario can also be apply to the ultimate PC sacrifice choice in game.

And it is why I never say the ritual is a bad [or evil, or wrong] choice, only selfish.

Modifié par Felene, 14 décembre 2009 - 11:31 .

[Inconcessus Scientia]

Felene wrote...

There is only two possible scenario for the statement "The Dark Ritual is not a selfish act as a Grey Warden" can be true in my opinion.

1. The Grey Warden is not a direct beneficiary in this decision.

2. The Grey Warden knew the Old God child will never become an archdemon [or harm the future of Thedas in anyway] when he/she made that decision.

So yeah, it is impossible for the statement "The Dark Ritual is not a selfish act as a Grey Warden" can be true in my opinion.

As for those who say the "intention" is what decided the statement can be true for false in this case.

Just because one's intention is good doesn't mean he/she is not selfish.

No matter what PC's reasons are, PC will consider this decision only because he/she can cheat death.

Just think about it, if PC will die no matter he/she agrees with the ritual or not, will the PC still agrees with it?:innocent:

Selfishness is purely intent. Its not about what happened, its about what they thought was going to happen. Regardless if they are ignorant or naive.

Very foolish statement. You presume way too much.

Absolutely. There has been many examples of what people did and why they did it. If they trust in the ritual and Morrigan why not accept it? No known risks, they believe in Morrigan, going to die either way, seems like an easy decision to me.

For myself, it was a combination of several examples already mentioned in the thread. On my second playthrough, my character had no intention of self-sacrifice. He wanted to stop the blight for selfish and unselfish reasons. He cared for civilization and the species of thedas but not indiviual survival of nations or people(excluding those he care about). He would sooner abandon Denerim than take the final blow. Selfish? Yes but this was right after being informed and before the ritual offer. The thought of saving his own life never entered the equation when it came to the offer. He was willing to take the chance of fighting darkspawn but not an action that was a sure fire death sentence. With the ritual he believed, trusted and loved Morrigan. Not to mention he thought it was a good idea. As I have said there are no known risks and he thought it was quite an interesting idea. But the important part here is that there was no intention of self benefit. So the ritual was not a selfish act in this case.

Several people wrote something like this...

We don't know how the calling works.

Do the Old Gods willing call out? Do they have control?
The baby may call out intentionly or unintentionly.

I must disagree with this chain of thought. Althought it is true we don't know how the calling works it seems incredibly unlikely the baby has no control. If its constantly and unwilling calling out to the darkspawn then why do they leave Denerim? They have the advantage in battle. There is an Old God right there. The darkspawn are driven to taint the Old God. Why leave? Also Morrigan is very confident the PC won't be able to follow. But if the baby is calling out then wouldn't the grey wardens also hear it? Maybe the PC won't be able to follow but surely you could get Ruck or an older grey warden to do so right? Surely Morrigan wouldn't boast such a claim given her knowledge if there was such a simple way to track her. Of course this doesn't rule it out but it sure does punch some holes in the idea. Not to mention this is all under the assumption that the baby even can call out. We don't know what is or is not possible for the baby.

Modifié par Inconcessus Scientia, 15 décembre 2009 - 04:18 .

[Estelindis]

Good Lord... I made a point of reading this whole thread last week, when it was 29 pages, meaning to get back to it. Now another 16? Yikes! Anyway, sorry if something earthshattering has happened in those pages, but I am not going to refer to it, just add my opinion.

If your character agrees to the Dark Ritual because s/he doesn't want to die, then yes, it is selfish to accept it.

If your character accepts the Dark Ritual because they are actually pretty okay with dying but feel it is in the best interests of Ferelden for as many Wardens to survive as possible, then it is not selfish to accept.

If your character refuses the Dark Ritual because it sounds like a dangerous, irresponsible, or even evil course action, and is willing to pay the price of death because of that refusal, then it is not selfish to refuse.

If your character thinks that the Dark Ritual offers an old god a chance at new, untainted life, and this would be a good thing... but wants the glory of death - or, for a female in love with Alistair, doesn't want to share him with Morrigan... or doesn't even give the matter any thought, simply intending for the other Grey Warden(s) [Riordan or Alistair/Loghain] to pay the price instead... then it is selfish to refuse.

Any selfishness or unselfishness above may be quite unrelated to whether or not the ritual is, objectively, the right choice... But how the PC sees the ritual subjectively plays a huge role in determining whether or not the choice is selfish.

And that is my thought on the matter.

[Edit: fixed spelling / grammar errors]

Modifié par Estelindis, 19 décembre 2009 - 01:11 .

[Felene]

Inconcessus Scientia wrote...

Selfishness is purely intent. Its not about what happened, its about what they thought was going to happen. Regardless if they are ignorant or naive.

[b]Very foolish statement. You presume way too much.

Allow me to list an example of my statement "Just because one's intention is good doesn't mean he/she is not selfish."

ex. The villagers of Lothering who try to take PC's Grey Warden bounty.

Their intention is to take that bounty and feed their villagers' hungry stomach.

Now can we all agree that is a good intention? Yes!

But it goes againt the well-being of the PC Grey Warden.

Now, Selfish is:

-Holding one’s self-interest as the standard for decision making.

-Having regard for oneself above others’ well-being.

So, it is an example of "Just because one's intention is good doesn't mean he/she is not selfish."

Also, the only thing I presume in that post is, "No matter what PC's reasons are, PC will ("consider") this decision only because he/she can cheat death."

It is fine with me if one still wish to hide behind their "Intention-cover." I will have no more argument with them.

Now, if you will excuse me, I am getting kind of sick reading all your self-justification excuses.

Modifié par Felene, 16 décembre 2009 - 05:58 .

[oneword]

Estelindis wrote...

Good Lord... I made a point of reading this whole thread last week, when it was 29 pages, meaning to get back to it. Now another 16? Yikes! Anyway, sorry if something earthshattering has happened in those pages, but I am not going to refer to it, just add my opinion.

If your character agrees to the Dark Ritual because s/he doesn't want to die, then yes, it is selfish to accept it.

If your character accepts the Dark Ritual because they are actually pretty okay with dying but feel it is in the best interests of Ferelden for as many Wardens to survive as possible, then it is not selfish to accept.

If your character refuses the Dark Ritual because it sounds like a dangerous, irresponsible, or even evil course action, as is willing to pay the price of death because of that refusal, then it is not selfish to refuse.

If your character thinks that the Dark Ritual offers an old god a chance at new, untainted life, and this would be a good thing... but wants the glory of death - or, for a female in love with Alistair, doesn't want to share him with Morrigan... or doesn't even give the matter any thought, simpsly intending for Grey Warden(s) to pay the price instead... then it is selfish to refuse.

Any selfishness or unselfishness above may be quite unrelated to whether or not the ritual is, objectively, the right choice... But how the PC sees the ritual subjectively plays a huge role in determining whether or not the choice is selfish.

And that is my thought on the matter.

I could not have put it better, that's exactly how I fell bout this matter.

[fantasypisces]

Felene wrote...

Inconcessus Scientia wrote...

Selfishness is purely intent. Its not about what happened, its about what they thought was going to happen. Regardless if they are ignorant or naive.

[b]Very foolish statement. You presume way too much.

Allow me to list a example of my statement "Just because one's intention is good doesn't mean he/she is not selfish."

ex. The villagers of Lothering who try to take PC's Grey Warden bounty.

Their intention is to take that bounty and feed their villagers' hungry stomach.

Now can we all agree that is a good intention? Yes!

But it goes againt the well-being of the PC Grey Warden.

Now, Selfish is:

-Holding one’s self-interest as the standard for decision making.

-Having regard for oneself above others’ well-being.

So, it is an example of "Just because one's intention is good doesn't mean he/she is not selfish."

Also, the only thing I presume in that post is, "No matter what PC's reasons are, PC will ("consider") this decision only because he/she can cheat death."

It is fine with me if one still wish to hide behind their "Intention-cover." I will have no more argument with them.

Now, if you will excuse me, I am getting kind of sick reading all your self-justification excuses.

Try this one. You accept the ritual not because you want to live, but because it presents another option. If Riordin dies, and you die, and Alistair is the only one left and he is to be king, would you refuse the ritual? I know that would have ran through my head, hell, Morrigan even brings it up! That is not selfish.

You cannot say all reasons that coincide accepting the ritual are selfish, because they are not, I have stated many of them in past posts. That one above, which is even brought up in the dialogue, is so far away from being selfish that I don't see how you can justify it as "hiding behind their 'intention-cover'".

[Felene]

fantasypisces wrote...

Try this one. You accept the ritual not because you want to live, but because it presents another option. If Riordin dies, and you die, and Alistair is the only one left and he is to be king, would you refuse the ritual? I know that would have ran through my head, hell, Morrigan even brings it up! That is not selfish.

You cannot say all reasons that coincide accepting the ritual are selfish, because they are not, I have stated many of them in past posts. That one above, which is even brought up in the dialogue, is so far away from being selfish that I don't see how you can justify it as "hiding behind their 'intention-cover'".

If PC truly want Alistair to be king and coddle him to be save, PC won't choose him to come with PC to face the archdemon.

He can stay where the major forces are, and if PC fails he can still run for help.

Just so you know, Alistair may act like an idiot who whine all the time and dance like a puppet in PC's hands.

He is no fool, he knew why the PC accept the ritual. He agrees because he cannot blame PC who simply wants to live.

He refuse any leadership position because he know more about duty, responsibility and consequences of his action than PC who accept the ritual.

It is very cruel for PC who choose him to sleep with Morrigan, and force a part of responsibility on him. Especially to those PC who romance him.

I am going to leave intention out for I already announce I will have no more argument with those who hide behind their "intention-cover".

[Estelindis]

oneword wrote...
I could not have put it better, that's exactly how I fell bout this matter.

Thank you very much. 

imported_beer wrote...
Let me expand on your argument.
There are other Grey Wardens. They are simply not in Ferelden at that point because of Loghain's actions. Your duty is to destroy the archdemon. By doing the ritual, you are allowing the spirit of the Old God to survive all in exchange for one life. And even that life is not essential for the survival of the Grey Wardens per se.
I do believe however it is more complex than selfishness or unselfishness. I think it is more about what you believe the duty of a Grey Warden is and if you believe the Chantry's tales on how darkspawn are created. Because if you believe your duty is to protect people from the blight, and that darkspawn seek the archdemon to corrupt it- then you just prolonged the blight selfishly.
If you believe your duty is to end the blights forveer- also  that the darkspawn descrecrated the Old God, making it evil where there was none, then it may be an act of compassion where in you destroy the evil of the archdemon but allow its essence to survive.

Thanks for replying!  I admire your posts here and on the BioBoards very much.

When I talk about the good of Ferelden being served by Wardens' survival, I wasn't thinking or explaining as clearly as I should have been.  I actually meant that we want to have as many Wardens as possible survive until they meet the archdaemon, to give the greatest chance of slaying it.  If having Morrigan stay with the group helps them to survive, then it gives them a greater chance of defeating the archdaemon.  One may not buy into this logic (I don't really, personally, even though Morrigan's an extremely effective mage), but at least it is a possible pragmatic motive (though modified, as you say, by what the PC believes).

As it happens, I agree that the question is more complex an selfishness / unselfishness.  But I think that's a good question for the PC, since there are things the PC doesn't know for certain that could radically alter the objective quality of the deed.  We can only really deal with the subjective here, because, like the PC, we are limited in knowledge.  How much we [players and PCs] know about world lore, and whether or not we believe the Chantry about the darkspawn and the old gods, modifies the selfishness or unselfishness of the choice.  But that was why I said that, if you believe the ritual will result in evil (including postponed evil, like another Blight) that could have been avoided had you just sacrificed your life... and yet you carry out the ritual anyway... it's selfish.  Absolutely so!  On the other hand, if you believe the child won't call the darkspawn, that the ritual could be a form of mercy for the old god, and that maybe it could open a

Modifié par Estelindis, 16 décembre 2009 - 05:29 .

[Silensfurtim]

Merry Christmas everyone! LOL

[robertthebard]

Felene wrote...

Inconcessus Scientia wrote...

Selfishness is purely intent. Its not about what happened, its about what they thought was going to happen. Regardless if they are ignorant or naive.

Very foolish statement. You presume way too much.

Allow me to list an example of my statement "Just because one's intention is good doesn't mean he/she is not selfish."

ex. The villagers of Lothering who try to take PC's Grey Warden bounty.

[b]Their intention is to take that bounty and feed their villagers' hungry stomach.

Now can we all agree that is a good intention? Yes!

But it goes againt the well-being of the PC Grey Warden.

Now, Selfish is:

-Holding one’s self-interest as the standard for decision making.

-Having regard for oneself above others’ well-being.

So, it is an example of "Just because one's intention is good doesn't mean he/she is not selfish."

Also, the only thing I presume in that post is, "No matter what PC's reasons are, PC will ("consider") this decision only because he/she can cheat death."

It is fine with me if one still wish to hide behind their "Intention-cover." I will have no more argument with them.

Now, if you will excuse me, I am getting kind of sick reading all your self-justification excuses.

Yeah, I can understand that.  So, let me touch on the thing I bolded here.  No, it's not a good thing to collect a bounty to feed your kids.  If they are armed, and ready to face death to collect a bounty, why not go out and hunt the bears on the Chantry board for some pay?  Here's a dose of your morality for you.  Killing people for money isn't exactly a saintly thing to do.  In fact, it's pretty selfish, especially in the context given by you.  It seems really hypocritical to me to say that stacking the deck so no Wardens have to die killing the Archdemon is selfish, but killing somebody that may well be innocent of the crime is perfectly justifiable, if you're doing it for money.  I think you should just about be done giving morality lessons on the forum, since your morals are pretty questionable.

[RSTORM50]

I can certainly justify it. On my second playthough I played as a human noble and refused to join the Grey Wardens, so Duncan invoked the right of conscription and I was in regardless. Just as you're about to do the ritual you ask about having second thoughts and are told you are not a volunteer. (Well you're told that even if you're not drafted.)



Right then, so here I am with my entire family killed and i've been drafted into the Grey Wardens. If after finding out I just may have to sacrifice myself and being told just after this there is a way to get around it... As someone who never wanted to be a Grey Warden, i'll do the ritual in a heartbeat.

[Grommash94]

It isn't selfish. I want to live. I want to continue to do good for the world.

[wwwwowwww]

Silensfurtim wrote...

We all know that Grey Wardens die whenever they kill an Archdemon. They know that from the start.

We did? I must have missed that part.

But in the game, we get to choose if we want to self-sacrifice, sacrifice Alistair, or perform the dark ritual with Morrigan. Obviously, some of us would prefer doing the dark ritual for continuity's sake.

Hey at least we have a choice, didn't really get one to start off the game did we?

What do you think what the other Grey Wardens would think about your ritual with Morrigan that lets an Old God get away instead of the Grey Warden dying with it? As a Grey Warden, you know your days are numbered and you know your responsibilities.

1) I could care less what the other Grey Wardens think about me, I'm an adult who doesn't need their approval

2) As a Grey Warden I know what other Grey Wardens expect of me, but life is full of disappointments. I didn't choose to join them, they recruited me and gave me no choice. The way I see it that doesn't make anything my responsibility.

Should the PC be sent to a Grey Warden Tribunal  and explain his actions?

What Grey Warden is going to drag me to this tribunal? I've got an entire kingdom supporting me for saving their butts, what do they have? A handful of lower level Wardens because they were off picking daisies or some stuff while I was kicking arse and taking names across all the land? 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Inconcessus Scientia wrote...
As I have said there are no known risks and he thought it was quite an interesting idea.

No known risks? Whaaaaaat?

I must disagree with this chain of thought. Althought it is true we don't know how the calling works it seems incredibly unlikely the baby has no control. If its constantly and unwilling calling out to the darkspawn then why do they leave Denerim? They have the advantage in battle. There is an Old God right there. The darkspawn are driven to taint the Old God. Why leave? Also Morrigan is very confident the PC won't be able to follow. But if the baby is calling out then wouldn't the grey wardens also hear it? Maybe the PC won't be able to follow but surely you could get Ruck or an older grey warden to do so right? Surely Morrigan wouldn't boast such a claim given her knowledge if there was such a simple way to track her. Of course this doesn't rule it out but it sure does punch some holes in the idea. Not to mention this is all under the assumption that the baby even can call out. We don't know what is or is not possible for the baby.

Even if the baby has control, what makes you think Morrigan can control it?

Apparently, the OldGods call out even when fast asleep, burried deep beneath the earth. The call doesn't seem like a bodily function.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Teh Dark Rituals is either



a) Selfish



Unwise



or c) Both.

[Kodopitharos]

A very interesting thread so far, and one of the reasons why this is a great game indeed! 

Personally, I consider it, strictly speaking, a mistake to describe an action per se, as selfish or not. IMHO, the adjective 'selfish' simply is not applicable to action. The person acting or his/hers motives might be selfish but the action, at least without taking into account the person's motives and reasoning, cannot (or should not?) be called selfish.

With that in mind, your character can follow a multitude of paths and undergo various changes or mind, attitude and whatnot during his journey from being drafted in the Grey Wardens to being a great hero.
As far as my Dalish character was concerned, going out into the world, becoming a grey warden, etc. was quite the revelation. In brief, he found a world on the brink of being consumed by the blight and in the meanwhile the following were taking place:

-The kingdom of Ferelden was focused on power politics, treachery. So called heroes ferelden, betray their king, let thousands be massacred so they can play at being rulers

- Dwarves start ****ing about who gets to be king, and there is the undeniable feeling that the disputing parties had something to do with the death of the former king and his chosen heir.

- The dalish are in the business of cursed humans for personal vengeance and then damning their own people in the process... "so what if my own people get wiped out, it is ok as long as I get my personal revenge... isnt that what leaders are supposed to act like?"

- The circle overrun with demons, they cant keep their own people in check obviously. Of course the rational choice is for the chantry to call an exterminatus. "Bloody hell, let's just kill them all, destroy the circle.... sure chantry preachers are so much more effective against a blight horde than fireball tossing mages!"

... and so after my character, saves Ferelden, knocks some sense into dwarf, dalish and saves the Circle and then eventually defeats the blight and in the process ends the disputes of who is to rule Ferelden, he should just get himself killed so he can let the aforementioned parties go about their bussiness... which of course proved what a great job can do ......

Well, during the game, my character came to see himself as the only force of reason and rationality. True enough most of the times you simply could not argue with people, you had to knock some sense into them. But still, apart from the Blight everyone (who was anyone) was going mad and more concerned about saving their own hides, even for short period of time rather than face the problems, rather than face realities.
So after all my hard work, I should let the world to the capable hands of these responsible people... dont think so. Alistair, although a good lad, he is ok for a good laugh while drinking ale, has the leadership qualities of a roast turkey and lots of time the attitude of a 8 year old. Anora, when all is said and done is a self-important, power hungry **** not too unlike her daddy.

It seemed to my character that the responsible and selfless thing to do was to make sure he remained around. Sadly enough, the most profound thing was uttered by the man my character took great delight in executing, Loghain. Realities must be faced, and we shouldn't live through myth and tales of ages past.

I just could not see how getting my self killed was the responsible, decent, good or selfless thing to do, especailly when that meant living the world to the likes of Alistair, Anora, The Chantry, Dwarves ****ing about power politics, dalish leaders out to get personal vengeance and damning their own who knows what else... a bit of a hollow and pointless sacrifice would have never been.

But then again I could have been playing the more 'lawful good' character and gone for all the (misguided?) idealism thing 

In the end I can only say it is a damn good thing we got the option and what a great game it is because of that!

Modifié par Kodopitharos, 28 décembre 2009 - 01:13 .

[robertthebard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Teh Dark Rituals is either

a) Selfish

Unwise

or c) Both.

But leaving Ferelden to it's fate is perfectly acceptable, and a rational thing to do.  At least with the Ritual the Blight gets stopped.  I, however, will be looking for the option to pull an Alistair in every play through now, and if Ferelden falls, well, you know how it goes.  Well, that's not possible just yet, I have to finish my I get to die game first, I need the Achievements.  Isn't it sad then, that the only reason I would justify dying to save Ferelden is for two achievements that don't mean anything in game?

[NiNakaWarrior]

Perhaps it's selfish to want to live, but then again you weren't fully aware of the sacrifice you had to make until just before Morrigan offers you the ritual. At that moment I was like "Noooo, 'I' don't wanna die!" so I didn't have to think about it really.. I'm not too big a fan of heroic sacrifices if they're not absolutely necessary.

Besides if a new threat is born from it, it at least gives you something to do besides holding Anora/Alistair's hand.. ^^