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[ThomasBlaine]

There you go again. Reading too much into what happened. First you assumed we "bombard" him with questions. Now you think I'm taking what Gaider did personally.

 

I didn't.

 

I'm taking you a little personally though. When you said you were "old fashioned" or something, it makes it sounds like I lack character. Just for asking a guy a question. He was cool with communicating with people once. He simply got burned out and some people probably spoiled it for him. But don't think it was regular people asking questions. If you have a bone to pick, find the people who hurl death threats at the devs. You should read RPGCodex, when Gaider used to post there.

 

Again, was talking about Qun00's post more than yours, and based on that alone he has in fact been bombarded with questions if not by you personally, and none of what you're saying is convincing me that he owes you guys his time and patience to answer nitpicking questions about the Dark Ritual, much less is a "colossal antisocial ****** " for not staying in contact. What did you guys think you were? His boyfriends?

 

By excusing myself for being old-fashioned I mean that I wasn't aware that modern social media had given you the right to demand other people's attention from all around the world and complain and call them names for not taking you up on it. Apparently I'm still back in the 20th century when you were supposed to respect others as having their own lives and appreciate them taking time out of their day for you if they so chose as a generous and personal gesture not to be presumed upon. My, how the world changes.

 

In case that's what's confusing you I couldn't care less about specifically why he started ignoring you guys, what I find ridiculous is your notion that he doesn't have every right to make that decision without complaints from people he's never met - "your" meaning Qun00's.

[Reznore57]

I would say the DR is selfish , yeah.

You know that killing the archdemon and dying while doing it has been working 4 times already.

On the other hand you have the DR , you know you won't die , you know Morrigan will get the soul.But you have no bloody idea what is supposed to happen afterward with the soul , Morrigan doesn't want to give details.

Why would you want an Old God soul to roam around in Thedas , when you don't know what an old god truly is...from Tevinter tales they weren't good even non corrupted.They baited the magisters into the Golden City , and taught blood magic.

And Morrigan doesn't say "no the Old Gods were this or that...and this is why it's important to save one."

 

Then you have Morrigan , and her morality compass is not reassuring.She thinks it's dandy if people without power die , natural selection and all that.

So basically you have to gamble on Morrigan being nice and having no bad plans ,and on the Old god soul being nice and having no bad agenda , and also gambling on Flemeth being nice and having no bad plans.

That's a lot of unknown just to save one person.

[straykat]

Again, was talking about Qun00's post more than yours, and based on that alone he has in fact been bombarded with questions if not by you personally, and none of what you're saying is convincing me that he owes you guys his time and patience to answer nitpicking questions about the Dark Ritual, much less is a "colossal antisocial ****** " for not staying in contact. What did you guys think you were? His boyfriends?

 

By excusing myself for being old-fashioned I mean that I wasn't aware that modern social media had given you the right to demand other people's attention from all around the world and complain and call them names for not taking you up on it. Apparently I'm still back in the 20th century when you were supposed to respect others as having their own lives and appreciate them taking time out of their day for you if they so chose as a generous and personal gesture not to be presumed upon. My, how the world changes.

 

In case that's what's confusing you I couldn't care less about specifically why he started ignoring you guys, what I find ridiculous is your notion that he doesn't have every right to make that decision without complaints from people he's never met - "your" meaning Qun00's.

 

I don't think he owes me anything. There you go again with reading too much into it. I'm merely making observations. Nothing more.

 

And he is a bit anti-social. He calls himself a "b*tch" and based Morrigan and Shale off himself. lol. I find it a little endearing myself. But it doesn't mean he was closed off. Worse things created a rift with the community.

 

I think you just lashed out without any context. This could have just been a hump in the conversation, but now you're committed to painting people as rude for asking questions to a guy.....who welcomed feedback. I give up trying to explain. Good day.

[Aren]

I would say the DR is selfish , yeah.

 

The topic is no more about the dark ritual is:

Ask a question to David Gaider--a selfish act as a Grey warden?

 

ok on a serious note i agree,too many gambles.

[Qun00]

The topic is no more about the dark ritual is:
Ask a question to David Gaider--a selfish act as a Grey warden?

ok on a serious note i agree,too many gambles.

Pfff... hahahahaha, good one.

[ThomasBlaine]

I don't think he owes me anything. There you go again with reading too much into it. I'm merely making observations. Nothing more.

 

And he is a bit anti-social. He calls himself a "b*tch" and based Morrigan and Shale off himself. lol. I find it a little endearing myself. But it doesn't mean he was closed off. Worse things created a rift with the community.

 

I think you just lashed out without any context. This could have just been a hump in the conversation, but now you're committed to painting people as rude for asking questions to a guy.....who welcomed feedback. I give up trying to explain. Good day.

 

Hey, you're the one who insists on taking my response to Qun00's post personally and defending your holy self from imaginary attacks. Don't try to make this about me having a vendetta. Good day to you too.

 

On-topic I'd say it's not so much a selfish option as an incredibly reckless and trusting one. If you believe Morrigan to have decent intentions and to know what she's talking about I don't think the Warden credo itself has more right to demand your life than you have to refuse to sacrifice it for others.

 

Trusting Morrigan to that degree would be hard, though, and if you don't then it's a huge gamble instead of a mere alternative to martyrdom.

[Qun00]

Indeed. His vendetta was solely on me. I am deeply sorry that you had to endure the full trial held before Judge Thomas, Straykat.

[GoldenGail3]

Indeed. His vendetta was solely on me. I am deeply sorry that you had to endure the full trial held before Judge Thomas, Straykat.

I've gotta say, this conversation went down hill real fast. I avoided posting on this thread due to this fact, to be honest.

[ThomasBlaine]

Indeed. His vendetta was solely on me. I am deeply sorry that you had to endure the full trial held before Judge Thomas, Straykat.

 

No vendetta, I said my piece in response to the incredibly interesting comment you made. So far as I can see, the lengthy conversation was a misunderstanding. I can only imagine how horrible it must have been to see him feeling accused and forced to defend himself on your behalf. Good thing you're not afraid of sticking up for him now that the discussion is over.

 

I've gotta say, this conversation went down hill real fast. I avoided posting on this thread due to this fact, to be honest.

 

I am sorry if the tone of that conversation made you uncomfortable, that wasn't anyone's intention. It really seems to have been a misunderstanding and I suppose we'll make an effort to keep things lighter, assuming we still have things to say.

[straykat]

I think it's all cool now. I hope. This kind of stuff sometimes happens.

[GoldenGail3]

I think it's all cool now. I hope. This kind of stuff sometimes happens.

Yeah, I know. Like me finally deciding to block Adromelek after he annoyed me enough to finally do so - and I'm so relieved about it... Becuase he's a very avid Alistair hater that follows me on forums for no gosh reason. Can I say I like Alistair without being attacked for my oponion?

[Natureguy85]

Yeah, I know. Like me finally deciding to block Adromelek after he annoyed me enough to finally do so - and I'm so relieved about it... Becuase he's a very avid Alistair hater that follows me on forums for no gosh reason. Can I say I like Alistair without being attacked for my oponion?

 

No!

[GoldenGail3]

No!

LOL! Okay, but meh, it's better now...

[Aren]

I would have prefered if the writers could have left the legendary GW sword for me.

No instead i had to sacrifice someone for their contrived narrative...

[Angry Chocobo]

I reckon most other Grey Wardens would be against it since it's not something they're used to and it involves blood magic (I remember Alistair saying that my Warden "walks a dark path" in Inquisition) but I see no harm in it. The essence of the Old God is not something evil by itself, it was just corrupted by the darkspawn.

[Natureguy85]

The essence of the Old God is not something evil by itself, it was just corrupted by the darkspawn.

 

How do you actually know that?

[Angry Chocobo]

How do you actually know that?

The Old Gods don't pose any danger until the darkspawn find them, and Kieran doesn't turn out as some monstrous abomination either.

[ThomasBlaine]

The Old Gods don't pose any danger until the darkspawn find them, and Kieran doesn't turn out as some monstrous abomination either.

 

The Old Gods are supposedly imprisoned far underground until darkspawn find them, so them not getting up to anything at the moment doesn't seem like much of an indicator of their natures. Having bullied the Tevinter Empire into worshiping them as deities isn't a great sign though. Being dragons isn't either. I'd put money on them being selfish and vain and cruel without quite intending the world's destruction like their Tainted counterparts.

[Aren]

I reckon most other Grey Wardens would be against it since it's not something they're used to and it involves blood magic (I remember Alistair saying that my Warden "walks a dark path" in Inquisition) but I see no harm in it. The essence of the Old God is not something evil by itself, it was just corrupted by the darkspawn.

 

 

The Old Gods don't pose any danger until the darkspawn find them, and Kieran doesn't turn out as some monstrous abomination either.

 

Grey wardens don't care about blood magic in itself however they would be against it for the simple reason that Morrigan conditions are not acceptable because she hold secrets rather than share knowledge.

She is not offering the ritual to allow the GW to interrogate this entity she is offering the ritual because she deisre control over it.

 

Saying that the old gods aren't dangerous because Kieran ogb form wasn't dangerous is a mistake

Kieran doesn't have the time to do anything elaborated because it is stripped away from it when he is 9 years old and we all know that magic don't make manifest at that age,so he can't use magic no matter what kind of potential he possess as the OGB.

 

 

The taint make everyone sick if they are not  Grey wardens with the old gods it makes them malevolent Archdemons.

[Natureguy85]

The Old Gods don't pose any danger until the darkspawn find them, and Kieran doesn't turn out as some monstrous abomination either.

 

Until the Darkspawn find them, they are supposedly sleeping or trapped. Kieran is an argument after the fact.

[Angry Chocobo]

Until the Darkspawn find them, they are supposedly sleeping or trapped. Kieran is an argument after the fact.

Nevertheless, they're docile. I don't really see why we would assume they're something evil/dangerous just because they are when corrupted by darkspawn. It's true that Kieran is an argument after the fact but Morrigan does promise you he won't be anything like a darkspawn. I suppose it comes down to how much you trust her.

[Natureguy85]

Nevertheless, they're docile. I don't really see why we would assume they're something evil/dangerous just because they are when corrupted by darkspawn.

 

I'm not assuming anything but it's certainly possible they are dangerous. My point is that they are unknown.

 

 

I suppose it comes down to how much you trust her.

 

Exactly.

[Qun00]

Nevertheless, they're docile. I don't really see why we would assume they're something evil/dangerous just because they are when corrupted by darkspawn. It's true that Kieran is an argument after the fact but Morrigan does promise you he won't be anything like a darkspawn. I suppose it comes down to how much you trust her.

It is more accurate to say it comes down to how reliable you believe her knowledge is.

I hate it when people say it's all about whether your friendship/love is genuine. Do you always agree with your friends? Of course not.

[Natureguy85]

It is more accurate to say it comes down to how reliable you believe her knowledge is.

I hate it when people say it's all about whether your friendship/love is genuine. Do you always agree with your friends? Of course not.

 

How often have your friends told you much later that they, at least initially, only befriended you because they wanted you to do something for them, and that actually befriending you was an unexpected outcome?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Nevertheless, they're docile. I don't really see why we would assume they're something evil/dangerous just because they are when corrupted by darkspawn. It's true that Kieran is an argument after the fact but Morrigan does promise you he won't be anything like a darkspawn. I suppose it comes down to how much you trust her.

These are the same Old Gods the Tevinter Imperium worshiped, and that persuaded the Magisters Sidereal to take the actions that seem to have caused the Blights. Those are weak arguments that the Old Gods are innately evil/dangerous, but the fact that such arguments exist at all makes the case that the Old Gods are dangerous better than you give it credit for.

 

Not to mention the possibility that the Old God's host might become Tainted. I don't think that's where this plot is going, but I don't know that it isn't, and the Warden has less to base that judgement on than I do. And we don't know what happens if the Old God's host does get Tainted. I'll note that the Archdemon Urthemiel rising again is one possibility, however.

 

Oh, not that this is relevant to whether or not it is wise to save the Old God of Beauty, but one thing to bear in mind is that there is in fact an Old God of Slavery. Unless the position "Old God of Slavery" is sort of like the "patron saint of thieves" in Catholic mythology (St. Nicholas is a good man who among many other benevolent acts tries to limit the damage and evil wrought by thieves and see them repent their sins) there is serious room to question whether or not that one Old God should be saved.