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[straykat]

These are the same Old Gods the Tevinter Imperium worshiped, and that persuaded the Magisters Sidereal to take the actions that seem to have caused the Blights. Those are weak arguments that the Old Gods are innately evil/dangerous, but the fact that such arguments exist at all makes the case that the Old Gods are dangerous better than you give it credit for.

 

Not to mention the possibility that the Old God's host might become Tainted. I don't think that's where this plot is going, but I don't know that it isn't, and the Warden has less to base that judgement on than I do. And we don't know what happens if the Old God's host does get Tainted. I'll note that the Archdemon Urthemiel rising again is one possibility, however.

 

Oh, not that this is relevant to whether or not it is wise to save the Old God of Beauty, but one thing to bear in mind is that there is in fact an Old God of Slavery. Unless the position "Old God of Slavery" is sort of like the "patron saint of thieves" in Catholic mythology (St. Nicholas is a good man who among many other benevolent acts tries to limit the damage and evil wrought by thieves and see them repent their sins) there is serious room to question whether or not that one Old God should be saved.

 

Anything with the Old Gods is a choice for an Andrastian to dislike. And be completely disgusted with to boot. That's who it really tests, I think. Not so much anyone else.

 

Everyone else wants to dismiss the Chantry or think they're smart enough snowflakes to be the ONE person with a loophole. Maybe they are..maybe not.

[Aren]

 

 

Oh, not that this is relevant to whether or not it is wise to save the Old God of Beauty, but one thing to bear in mind is that there is in fact an Old God of Slavery. Unless the position "Old God of Slavery" is sort of like the "patron saint of thieves" in Catholic mythology (St. Nicholas is a good man who among many other benevolent acts tries to limit the damage and evil wrought by thieves and see them repent their sins) there is serious room to question whether or not that one Old God should be saved.

There is also the one of Chaos.......

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

There is also the one of Chaos.......

Chaos isn't quite as innately bad as slavery is, and the one really scary thing about him (namely that his high priest took the title "Madman" during the ritual to enter the Golden City) isn't something the Warden would necessarily know.

[straykat]

Chaos is GOOD, as far as I'm concerned.

 

Well, in it's good form at least. I doubt the Old God represents that though.

[Aren]

Chaos isn't quite as innately bad as slavery is, and the one really scary thing about him (namely that his high priest took the title "Madman" during the ritual to enter the Golden City) isn't something the Warden would necessarily know.

I think that Chaos means subversion of the social order because that old god is also called the Old god of freedom.

his priest was a madman?

[straykat]

Strangely, that's what tricksters usually represent. At least in our world. Chaos, freedom, changing the social order.

 

Solas' actions live up to it, but he doesn't embrace the persona at all. Sera is a better Trickster than he is.

 

But I wonder how different the Old God would be from that.. Perhaps it's Chaos in the "Morinth" sense.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think that Chaos means subversion of the social order because that old god is also called the Old god of freedom.

his priest was a madman?

His priest took the title "Madman" at the same time Corypheus took the name Corypheus and the Architect started calling himself the Architect. We don't know that he really was a Madman; the titles were apparently based on what each priest was actually doing to help bring about the ritual. Cory probably wasn't capable of conducting a symphony and we don't know that the Architect was trained to design buildings. (Though wouldn't those have made for some interesting bossfights?)

 

That said, I'm not sure what sort of role in an intensely powerful ritual of dark magic would be accurately described as the "Madman" or what sort of person would be best able to fill such a role.

[straykat]

I thought the whole "conductor" thing was supposed to be Ironic. Y'know, because Dumat is the God of Silence.

 

On another note, I wonder why Corypheus was so pissed that his god was actually silent.

[Aren]

These priests were specialists each of them did a part of the ritual.

Dunno why Corypheus wanted to do the same mistake a second time since he saw that there is only a black city why he want to go in there again?

[straykat]

 

These priests were specialists each of them did a part of the ritual.

Dunno why Corypheus wanted to do the same mistake a second time since he saw that there is only a black city why he want to go in there again?

 

 

Because he wanted to be a god himself this time around. I suppose that was as fitting a throne as any.

 

Got himself killed trying to do it though (more or less). Probably would have been better off setting a chair somewhere.

[Aren]

Because he wanted to be a god himself this time around. I suppose that was as fitting a throne as any.

 

 

The first time it was more understandable  since they were promised the powers of the gods through a golden light  and they were not aware of what was there to wait them but now he know that there is nothing there other than  whispers,so  unless he saw the golden light but was unable to reach it there weren't many reasons to make a second attempt.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I thought the whole "conductor" thing was supposed to be Ironic. Y'know, because Dumat is the God of Silence.

There's a definite hint of that in that his full title is "Conductor of Silence," but I thought the idea was that each took a title that summarized what exact job each mage had, and that Cory's part to make sure everyone did their parts properly.

 

 

It is more accurate to say it comes down to how reliable you believe her knowledge is.

I hate it when people say it's all about whether your friendship/love is genuine. Do you always agree with your friends? Of course not.

I feel a bit weird replying to a four day old post, but I hadn't seen it yet, so...

 

I don't think it comes down to just one of these things. If you don't trust her with the power, it doesn't help that she really does know how to control it and give it to a child that she has sole custody of. In fact, you might think it's worse for her to succeed than for her to try and fail. And conversely if you don't think she can control the power (or the child she grants it to, which is a separate question if you assume the child will be born with a mind independent of the Old God) then it doesn't matter if you trust her with the power she can spin that into.

 

I suppose you can turn that into a Warden who doesn't trust her deciding to let her use the Ritual anyway, since she'll crash and burn and you get to live, but that is more than a bit dangerous.

[Natureguy85]

Well often Chaos is not a bad thing. In classic "alignment" systems, that's why it's separate from good/evil. Often pure order is lack of freedom and/or free will so there is a need for at least some chaos.

[straykat]

Well often Chaos is not a bad thing. In classic "alignment" systems, that's why it's separate from good/evil. Often pure order is lack of freedom and/or free will so there is a need for at least some chaos.

 

Yup.

 

I mean, I think even Spider-Man is Chaotic.. Chaotic Good, but still. Sometimes Chaotic Neutral is fine too. I think Jack in ME is like that. She isn't evil like some think. That's Morinth.

[straykat]

 

The first time it was more understandable  since they were promised the powers of the gods through a golden light  and they were not aware of what was there to wait them but now he know that there is nothing there other than  whispers,so  unless he saw the golden light but was unable to reach it there weren't many reasons to make a second attempt.

 

 

He just did it out of hubris, I guess.

 

I don't like the whole story, so don't get me started

[ThomasBlaine]

 

I don't think it comes down to just one of these things. If you don't trust her with the power, it doesn't help that she really does know how to control it and give it to a child that she has sole custody of. In fact, you might think it's worse for her to succeed than for her to try and fail. And conversely if you don't think she can control the power (or the child she grants it to, which is a separate question if you assume the child will be born with a mind independent of the Old God) then it doesn't matter if you trust her with the power she can spin that into.

 

I suppose you can turn that into a Warden who doesn't trust her deciding to let her use the Ritual anyway, since she'll crash and burn and you get to live, but that is more than a bit dangerous.

 

 

Few of my Wardens have any earthly ideas about how an Old God baby would look or act or what Morrigan would/should/could do with it, so I've never even gone that far. Performing the Dark Ritual, to me, means entirely trusting that she at least has some idea of what she's talking about and wouldn't be doing it if it was insane. Or being desperate enough to take that chance to improve the Warden's own survival odds.

 

So yes, it's mostly a question of trusting both her knowledge and her judgement.

[Qun00]

Few of my Wardens have any earthly ideas about how an Old God baby would look or act or what Morrigan would/should/could do with it, so I've never even gone that far. Performing the Dark Ritual, to me, means entirely trusting that she at least has some idea of what she's talking about and wouldn't be doing it if it was insane. Or being desperate enough to take that chance to improve the Warden's own survival odds.
 
So yes, it's mostly a question of trusting both her knowledge and her judgement.

Even if you believe your friend is a competent and intelligent person, that doesn't mean s/he is a beacon of perfection.

The trust you share wouldn't be damaged by this simple response: "I know you mean well, but that's a terrible idea".

[Seraphim24]

Wow this is an old thread.

 

Anyway yes I view it as "selfish" but also if the only option was you or let an old god live, I'd be with it. Thankfully, keeping Loghain around resolves how I feel about this situation.

[Qun00]

Wow this is an old thread.
 
Anyway yes I view it as "selfish" but also if the only option was you or let an old god live, I'd be with it. Thankfully, keeping Loghain around resolves how I feel about this situation.

Not giving a damn about Alistair does make it easier.

[ThomasBlaine]

Even if you believe your friend is a competent and intelligent person, that doesn't mean s/he is a beacon of perfection.

The trust you share wouldn't be damaged by this simple response: "I know you mean well, but that's a terrible idea".

 

So? She is also offering you a chance of survival. If you agree to do it then it probably isn't just because you think Morrigan taking charge of an Old God is a bang-up idea or because you're afraid of offending her.

[Seraphim24]

Not giving a damn about Alistair does make it easier.

 

Yeah it would I guess possibly be thornier if the decisions was literally just you sacrifice yourself or a potential old god runs around terrorizing the world.

 

In that sense it's directly analytical to the decision for Kain at the end of Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen (who was voiced by Simon Templeman, coincidentally)

[Qun00]

So? She is also offering you a chance of survival. If you agree to do it then it probably isn't just because you think Morrigan taking charge of an Old God is a bang-up idea or because you're afraid of offending her.

Or because there is no reason why the Old God soul can't become tainted again.

[ThomasBlaine]

Or because there is no reason why the Old God soul can't become tainted again.

 

The Warden doesn't really know enough to guess about things like that.

[Aren]

Few of my Wardens have any earthly ideas about how an Old God baby would look or act or what Morrigan would/should/could do with it, so I've never even gone that far. Performing the Dark Ritual, to me, means entirely trusting that she at least has some idea of what she's talking about and wouldn't be doing it if it was insane. Or being desperate enough to take that chance to improve the Warden's own survival odds.

 

So yes, it's mostly a question of trusting both her knowledge and her judgement.

You have to trust:Morrigan,Urthemiel and Flemeth.

 I don't see any reason to trust any of these three since they withholds information rather than share knowledge and seem to care very little about the backlashes of their agendas into the world.

[straykat]

I don't think it matters much unless you're Andrastian. Then it's taboo. You're not supposed to be open to Old Gods in that case. No matter how competent or what Morrigan says.

 

Other than that, it's badly implemented. That's I stick with US. It's not as cool as I thought it'd be.