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[Aren]

Not giving a damn about Alistair does make it easier.

Agree.

Not having any sense of deep attachment to Alistair(or anyone else) make things easier because Morrigan is not able to use those feelings to manipulate an undaunted PC.

 

I don't think it matters much unless you're Andrastian. Then it's taboo. You're not supposed to be open to Old Gods in that case. No matter how competent or what Morrigan says.

 

Other than that, it's badly implemented. That's I stick with US. It's not as cool as I thought it'd be.

I think it matter regardless of religion since those beings are very close to be akin to weapons of mass destruction.

The Ultimate sacrifice isn't implemented well probably for budgets constraints Alistar and Logahin don't even recieve a funeral,it's like if everyone have forgotten that they existed.

[straykat]

 

Agree.

Not having any sense of deep attachment to Alistair(or anyone else) make things easier because Morrigan is not able to use those feelings to manipulate an undaunted PC.

 

I think it matter regardless of religion since those beings are very close to be akin to weapons of mass destruction.

The Ultimate sacrifice isn't implemented well probably for budgets constraints Alistar and Logahin don't even recieve a funeral.

 

 

That's because they're just a sacrifice. My Warden is the Ultimate Sacrifice. He gets a funeral.

[Qun00]

The Warden doesn't really know enough to guess about things like that.

Why not? He can learn about how archdemons are 'born' by asking Flemeth.

[straykat]

I wonder if Flemeth is just saying that for our sake or really believes it. Because it reminds me of that statement Solas made to Cass... about how he was open to the idea of a "Maker".

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't think it matters much unless you're Andrastian. Then it's taboo. You're not supposed to be open to Old Gods in that case. No matter how competent or what Morrigan says.

I have to restate that the Old Gods were the Tevinter deities and apparently responsible for the Blights. You don't have to agree with the Chantry on a whole lot to find those to be red flags. Maybe you won't believe them on the second bit if you aren't Andrastian, but there's still the "Tevinter deities" bit. Yes, there seem to be hints that their origins lie with the ancient elves, but the various Wardens you can play don't seem to know that.

[straykat]

I have to restate that the Old Gods were the Tevinter deities and apparently responsible for the Blights. You don't have to agree with the Chantry on a whole lot to find those to be red flags.

 

True enough. But I think there'd be more curiosity in a more agnostic point of view. Or iconoclasm, willfully defying the Taboo because you think there's more to it... much like Morrigan does. Or mages like her... such as Avernus. This is why people break the Taboo on blood magic too.

[Seraphim24]

Not giving a damn about Alistair does make it easier.

 

It's not that I don't give a dang about Alistair....

 

I mean he has great hair, he can be super charming, but his tantrum at the end of the Landsmeet seemed designed entirely to provoke me into... something.

 

And I was just sorta like, I feel for you and all that but Loghain's head on a platter isn't going to solve anything. You can be as angry as all get out, and yet, you shouldn't kill someone just because you are mad at them. I mean, it's certainly happened, but it just didn't seem to make sense there so I opted against it, seemed to work well, IMHO.

 

If there was a way to make him whole without that I'd jump on it but it just wasn't an option.

[straykat]

That's some of Alistair's and Loghain's best acting though. Both of them deliver great lines there..

[Seraphim24]

That's some of Alistair's and Loghain's best acting though. Both of them deliver great lines there..

 

Yeah I mean it's juicy.

 

I just never was never really fazed in my decision-making really, I was like.. ok... ok..

 

I mean I literally had Alistair duel Loghain the first time and I was like oh ok this will *decapitation ensures* oh... that uh... that won't work will it.

 

Then he's like well I'm leaving I'm leaving the GW I'm like Oy.

 

I feel like him getting the crown and marrying him to Anora and all that he seemed to take all right, I think actually maybe I was in a romance with him the first time and... well we had good experiences, overall, I guess.

[straykat]

Alistair never plays into my mind either.

 

For me, it's what I said... the Andrastian stuff. Along with just preferring Ultimate Sacrifice. I did that on my first playthrough and I guess it's my preference years later. Although I like Loghain redeeming himself almost as much.

 

I also tend to kick Morrigan out of my team eventually. So she comes back unwelcomed. I have reasons to dislike her, way before this. lol

[Seraphim24]

Alistair never plays into my mind either.

 

For me, it's what I said... the Andrastian stuff. Along with just preferring Ultimate Sacrifice. I did that on my first playthrough and I guess it's my preference still.

 

I also tend to kick Morrigan out of my team eventually. So she comes back unwelcomed. I have reasons to dislike her, way before this. lol

 

I was trying to follow that but I don't remember most of it to be honest, so I wasn't really sure what the story was..

 

It might be fun to go lore digging like a mole and learn something I've forgotten though.

 

Wait so, you... wait what do you do in all the things like for me it's

 

1. Alistair marries Anora

2. Loghain lives and becomes GW

3. No to Morrigan's ritual

4. Sacrifice Loghain

 

if you want to share.

[ThomasBlaine]

Why not? He can learn about how archdemons are 'born' by asking Flemeth.

 

Not exactly in detail. Having been given a brief description of how Archdemons are born doesn't make you more of an authority on Old Gods than Morrigan is.

[straykat]

I was trying to follow that but I don't remember most of it to be honest, so I wasn't really sure what the story was..

 

It might be fun to go lore digging like a mole and learn something I've forgotten though.

 

Wait so, you... wait what do you do in all the things like for me it's

 

1. Alistair marries Anora

2. Loghain lives and becomes GW

3. No to Morrigan's ritual

4. Sacrifice Loghain

 

if you want to share.

 

Oh wait.. you want to redeem Loghain?

 

Yeah, you have the procedure right.

[Seraphim24]

Oh wait.. you want to redeem Loghain?

 

Yeah, you have the procedure right.

 

Yeah I mean it's pretty handy to have around this sort of jerk-ish character in the event that you want him to kind of make amends for something, which he seems willing to do.

 

The thing about Loghain is there is an internal logic to all his actions, it's not random. If he was just pure savage I'm hateful then things might of been different, but I can completely believe him in the Landsmeet when he says that Fereldan and order and such is his highest priority, and that he was wrong about the PC.

 

Once superiority is established via the duel, he kind of suddenly empties all his rage and such.

 

Then, why would you dismiss someone who has such obvious charisma and power? There's definitely a use for that kind of thing, hopefully, as long as it's not directed at kind of the wrong causes or put in the wrong places, such as at my PC, that was one of the biggest problems.

 

So I mean it's kinda redemption, I guess.. but it's also I think just kind of common sense. It would be like throwing away a Panzer tank that you were fighting against that's now yours.

[Seraphim24]

I mean to be completely honest I think he totally clobbers Alistair as a tank in the game doesn't he? Like stat/game wise? There's that, as well.

[straykat]

I understand his internal logic too. I feel better only redeeming him if my own character's internal logic lines up though. Like I don't do it on a Cousland or City Elf. My Dwarf Commoner redeemed him.

[Seraphim24]

I understand his internal logic too. I feel better only redeeming him if my own character's internal logic lines up though. Like I don't do it on a Cousland or City Elf. My Dwarf Commoner redeemed him.

 

It would be harder as a Cousland that makes sense.

 

Ah Dwarf Commoner, possibly the best Origin.

[straykat]

 

 

Ah Dwarf Commoner, possibly the best Origin.

 

I didn't play it for years, but I like it. If I ever use a living Warden for DAI, it'll be her.

[Seraphim24]

I didn't play it for years, but I like it. If I ever use a living Warden for DAI, it'll be her.

 

I tried it out early on and was kind of amazed by just how kind of raw that made it, it's pretty rare to have that experience.

 

I couldn't stand Dwarf noble though.

[straykat]

Dwarf Noble was fun because I played a jerk... it was a way for me to detach and not worry about my choices.

[Seraphim24]

Dwarf Noble was fun because I played a jerk... it was a way for me to detach and not worry about my choices.

 

Oh you would of fit in with the setting there and everything then

 

Honestly I just basically never play characters that way, if so it's basically just to see it or because it seems like the "better" choice even it's mean. 

 

So yeah, my playthroughs are often boring but, yeah

[straykat]

It's the only way for me to see repugnant options... when my character is a clown. My instincts lie with what I said.. the US and Andrastianism and mostly good acts.

[Seraphim24]

It's the only way for me to see repugnant options... when my character is a clown. My instincts lie with what I said.. the US and Andrastianism and mostly good acts.

 

I just can never see, from the perspective of the PC, the idea of sacrificing themselves. It just always seems wrong to me, IMO.

 

It's odd because someone is sacrificed, but I guess I just don't see a person themselves as ever really able to justify sacrificing themselves if some other option is available... it just seems off to me essentially IMO.

 

Obviously it happens anyway and all that, but yeah, so anytime in a game there's anything that precludes me dying, I take it.

 

So like in Blood Omen I would just have Kain basically destroy nearly all world so that he can live.

 

No regrets... strangely enough... I mean it's a great tragedy and all, and it would of been nice if there was some other way, but in that extreme situation.

[Aren]

I understand his internal logic too. I feel better only redeeming him if my own character's internal logic lines up though. Like I don't do it on a Cousland or City Elf. My Dwarf Commoner redeemed him.

I redeemed him as a Cousland for several reasons

-I couldn't let Anora have that kind of experience especially because i was going to marry her

 

-My warden dislike his father which was too much of royalist who never once understood that if he would have accepted responsibility as a king of Ferelden things could have been better especailly during the blight.

 

[Aren]

I just can never see, from the perspective of the PC, the idea of sacrificing themselves. It just always seems wrong to me, IMO.

 

It's odd because someone is sacrificed, but I guess I just don't see a person themselves as ever really able to justify sacrificing themselves if some other option is available... it just seems off to me essentially IMO.

 

Obviously it happens anyway and all that, but yeah, so anytime in a game there's anything that precludes me dying, I take it.

 

So like in Blood Omen I would just have Kain basically destroy nearly all world so that he can live.

 

No regrets... strangely enough... I mean it's a great tragedy and all, and it would of been nice if there was some other way, but in that extreme situation.

What makes the ultimate sacrifice unacceptable for me is the fact that you defeated the enemy in battle but in order to finish him you have to die.

I'm willing to accept death if i'm defeated but  not if i won.

I'm not willing to accept a forced sacrifice for some magical strawberries  created into a narrative full of plot holes for  Morrigan's dark ritual.

Neither she will use me and neither i will die because she failed to use me.