So what, Led Zeppelin wrote a bunch of songs about the Lord Of the Rings too....art inspires art; these guys are clearly fans of this band and they gave them some exposure, and it was just a 1 minute scene after the credits so...who cares?
MUST READ: The REAL source for the "artistic" ending was STOLEN from a SONG.
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#277
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 01:42
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Genera1Nemesis wrote...
So what, Led Zeppelin wrote a bunch of songs about the Lord Of the Rings too....art inspires art; these guys are clearly fans of this band and they gave them some exposure, and it was just a 1 minute scene after the credits so...who cares?
Ooooooh no.
It wasn't just the 1 minute scene. It was the whole game.
You forget. I only had time to translate 1/4 of the lyrics. Add in the 3/4 missing, and you'd see the issues here. Trust me.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 02:01
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Very quick facts:
+ Starchild is a name given by the community, not Bioware.
+ The tweet by Casey is an obvious fake. Because "Listening to the old starchild track by #Wintersun while working on #MassEffect3. Colours change in the vid, might hit up Mac about this idea... " is longer than 140 characters. (and the colors in that image are wrong, anyway)
+ The real wintersun cover is only a google search away.
I didn't have the time to read the whole thread but it was a pretty decent attempt at conspiracy/trolling.
6/10. would read again.
+ Starchild is a name given by the community, not Bioware.
+ The tweet by Casey is an obvious fake. Because "Listening to the old starchild track by #Wintersun while working on #MassEffect3. Colours change in the vid, might hit up Mac about this idea... " is longer than 140 characters. (and the colors in that image are wrong, anyway)
+ The real wintersun cover is only a google search away.
I didn't have the time to read the whole thread but it was a pretty decent attempt at conspiracy/trolling.
6/10. would read again.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 02:20
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STOP REPEATING THESE ARGUMENTS AFTER I DEBUNK THEM:cachx wrote...
Very quick facts:
+ Starchild is a name given by the community, not Bioware.
+ The tweet by Casey is an obvious fake. Because "Listening to the old starchild track by #Wintersun while working on #MassEffect3. Colours change in the vid, might hit up Mac about this idea... " is longer than 140 characters. (and the colors in that image are wrong, anyway)
+ The real wintersun cover is only a google search away.
I didn't have the time to read the whole thread but it was a pretty decent attempt at conspiracy/trolling.
6/10. would read again.
RESPONSE TO: Bioware made Starchild term up
NO they did NOT. Mac Walters himself coined that: http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/
RESPONSE TO: The tweet by Casey is an obvious fake. Because "Listening to
the old starchild track by #Wintersun while working on #MassEffect3.
Colours change in the vid, might hit up Mac about this idea... " is longer than 140 characters. (and the colors in that image are wrong, anyway)
Not there anymore.... Did you re-read the thread lately?
RESPONSE TO: The real wintersun cover is only a google search away.
IRRELIVENT entirely. If Casey Hudson got his idea from Starchild, he did it from the YOUTUBE VIDEO. The "real" wintersun cover means NOTHING.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 02:37
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BOOM.
Front page is infinitely better.
Front page is infinitely better.
#281
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 02:51
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Kings19 wrote...
Please tell me this is fake
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:10
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Mastermadskills wrote...
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
So what, Led Zeppelin wrote a bunch of songs about the Lord Of the Rings too....art inspires art; these guys are clearly fans of this band and they gave them some exposure, and it was just a 1 minute scene after the credits so...who cares?
Ooooooh no.
It wasn't just the 1 minute scene. It was the whole game.
You forget. I only had time to translate 1/4 of the lyrics. Add in the 3/4 missing, and you'd see the issues here. Trust me.
You are confusing translate with interpret. At any rate, its nice to see some critical thinking, though I really don't agree with most of your 'translations'
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:11
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Looks like my attempts at stoping people from behaving like ****s is for naught, very well i'l put my personal feelings for that aside then, for the moment being.
OP, you keep talking about overwhelming evidence, that is....not really what i would call it. What you have here is your interpretation of the lyrics, what you have here is a correlation at best. And correlation is NOT the same thing as cause and effect. The lyrics to starchild are very cryptic, you can basicly interpret them in any way you want.
So mysterious is your world, ----Hey look, the planet our friends are marooned on!
Concealed beyond the stars ----Hidden away and nobody's coming.
Far away from the earth, ----Went through the relay to get there, right? So yeah, FAR far away.
It flows one with time & dark as the night----Isolation. Does the phrase "Gone dark" ring a bell?
This is your interpreation for a small portion of the lyrics, let's take another look at this.
So mysterious is your world - this could mean basicly anything, it can be about any world out there, it can even be about the world within your mind. Our world is mysterious in many ways, this phrase does not have to have anything to do with the planet that normandy crashed on, normandy crashed on a pretty standard jungle planet *shrug*
Concealed beyond the stars - this could also mean the the world is in another galaxy or that it is hidden, beyond our vision "concealed" as the lyrics put it, it can simply refer to the world of the starchild being a world that mortals cannot see or fathom.
Far away from the earth - again it simply speaks of this world being distant, this is not something that you can with 100% certainty appoint to the ME3 ending.
It flows one with time & dark as the night - what does this have to dow ith isolation? this phrase can really mean anything. What does flows one with time mean? that it is perfectly synched to time as a phenomenon? it could mean anything. Dark as the night could mean that the world is either a dark and terrible place or that it is far away from the sun or blocked from the sun, in that sense it cannot be the world that normandy crashed on since that world had sunlight and vegetation.
and the rest of the lyrics continue in this fasion, it is very open for interpretation, what you have there is not evidence it is SPECULATION, try and sample that word for a while. You speak of this as if your theory is beyond all possibilitys of being proven wrong, that the evidence is so compelling that no one could possibly not see the truth in this. You are wrong, my good sir, all i see here is your interpretation, your speculation.
The image matches, sure, look up other images of space and snow and you will find that they match aswell. the date for the video matches fairly well with the date of the work on the ending, this is true. But what does that prove? again, it is a correlation not a set in stone evidence.
you also say that one should look at all the "evidence" as a whole wide picture, i do that but still all i can see is speculation and correlation. the indoctrination theory has a lot of "evidence" to support it aswell but it is still just speculation, it is a theory, nothing more nothing less. you cna keep covering your ears and yell that you remain convinced of your own truth but that won't relaly get you anywhere in the long run, as far as your theory go it is still only speculation.
OP, you keep talking about overwhelming evidence, that is....not really what i would call it. What you have here is your interpretation of the lyrics, what you have here is a correlation at best. And correlation is NOT the same thing as cause and effect. The lyrics to starchild are very cryptic, you can basicly interpret them in any way you want.
So mysterious is your world, ----Hey look, the planet our friends are marooned on!
Concealed beyond the stars ----Hidden away and nobody's coming.
Far away from the earth, ----Went through the relay to get there, right? So yeah, FAR far away.
It flows one with time & dark as the night----Isolation. Does the phrase "Gone dark" ring a bell?
This is your interpreation for a small portion of the lyrics, let's take another look at this.
So mysterious is your world - this could mean basicly anything, it can be about any world out there, it can even be about the world within your mind. Our world is mysterious in many ways, this phrase does not have to have anything to do with the planet that normandy crashed on, normandy crashed on a pretty standard jungle planet *shrug*
Concealed beyond the stars - this could also mean the the world is in another galaxy or that it is hidden, beyond our vision "concealed" as the lyrics put it, it can simply refer to the world of the starchild being a world that mortals cannot see or fathom.
Far away from the earth - again it simply speaks of this world being distant, this is not something that you can with 100% certainty appoint to the ME3 ending.
It flows one with time & dark as the night - what does this have to dow ith isolation? this phrase can really mean anything. What does flows one with time mean? that it is perfectly synched to time as a phenomenon? it could mean anything. Dark as the night could mean that the world is either a dark and terrible place or that it is far away from the sun or blocked from the sun, in that sense it cannot be the world that normandy crashed on since that world had sunlight and vegetation.
and the rest of the lyrics continue in this fasion, it is very open for interpretation, what you have there is not evidence it is SPECULATION, try and sample that word for a while. You speak of this as if your theory is beyond all possibilitys of being proven wrong, that the evidence is so compelling that no one could possibly not see the truth in this. You are wrong, my good sir, all i see here is your interpretation, your speculation.
The image matches, sure, look up other images of space and snow and you will find that they match aswell. the date for the video matches fairly well with the date of the work on the ending, this is true. But what does that prove? again, it is a correlation not a set in stone evidence.
you also say that one should look at all the "evidence" as a whole wide picture, i do that but still all i can see is speculation and correlation. the indoctrination theory has a lot of "evidence" to support it aswell but it is still just speculation, it is a theory, nothing more nothing less. you cna keep covering your ears and yell that you remain convinced of your own truth but that won't relaly get you anywhere in the long run, as far as your theory go it is still only speculation.
#285
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:26
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Goljana wrote...
*sigh*
When this post was fairly young i asked people to behave like adults and not insult the band, then i come back and it's 10 times worse...
Why do you people feel the need to bash at the band? Fine, you don't like the music, it's not in your taste, in that case just simply say that you don't like it instead of saying that the band sucks or that your head/ears hurts, no one force you to listen to the damn song! if you wanted your "evidence" you could have just checked the lyrics!
Seriously, what happened to being civil on these forums? what happened to the reate movement being composed of thinking adults? what i see here is a mob mentality "rawr, this song is a symbol for what we dislike about the ending, let's rage at it!!". come on people, it's starting to get frustrating to read so many hatefull comments about a great band, Wintersun never asked to be viewed in this light, just cut it out already!
Sheez...
That's because the same people that are hating on the band and trying to draw this ridiculous connection, are the same people that refuse to believe there are people that liked the ending. They don't understand that other people have different tastes. Pretty sad really.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:31
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terdferguson123 wrote...
Goljana wrote...
*sigh*
When this post was fairly young i asked people to behave like adults and not insult the band, then i come back and it's 10 times worse...
Why do you people feel the need to bash at the band? Fine, you don't like the music, it's not in your taste, in that case just simply say that you don't like it instead of saying that the band sucks or that your head/ears hurts, no one force you to listen to the damn song! if you wanted your "evidence" you could have just checked the lyrics!
Seriously, what happened to being civil on these forums? what happened to the reate movement being composed of thinking adults? what i see here is a mob mentality "rawr, this song is a symbol for what we dislike about the ending, let's rage at it!!". come on people, it's starting to get frustrating to read so many hatefull comments about a great band, Wintersun never asked to be viewed in this light, just cut it out already!
Sheez...
That's because the same people that are hating on the band and trying to draw this ridiculous connection, are the same people that refuse to believe there are people that liked the ending. They don't understand that other people have different tastes. Pretty sad really.
I hear ya and i agree. I can understand the people don't like metal, i only started apreciate metal when i turned 14, before that i was into pop and thought that metal was terrible. But i never insulted other people's taste in music. Today i love metal, i also love techno, pagan, rap and lots of other styles. But oh well i guess it's to much to ask that people simply state their opinion as an opinion instead of throwing mud and **** at what they don't like, sad sad world.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:45
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That's called inspiration. Artists get it all the time. Even if it was inspiration, BioWare took from that source and made it their own.
So, OP, your point is moot.
So, OP, your point is moot.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:46
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that BioWare would do something like this. This was a company that valued perfection, can't believe they've gotten this lazy What happened to them? Why doesn't a moderator respond to this thread?
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:47
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uh oh, here comes the lawyers, and they arent friendly!!
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:51
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Biotic Flash Kick wrote...
Kings19 wrote...
Please tell me this is fake
The tweet is fake. I wouldn't be surprised if this really happened, though.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:52
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Wow, the ME3 writing team really didn't think the ending through.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:53
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terdferguson123 wrote...
Goljana wrote...
*sigh*
When this post was fairly young i asked people to behave like adults and not insult the band, then i come back and it's 10 times worse...
Why do you people feel the need to bash at the band? Fine, you don't like the music, it's not in your taste, in that case just simply say that you don't like it instead of saying that the band sucks or that your head/ears hurts, no one force you to listen to the damn song! if you wanted your "evidence" you could have just checked the lyrics!
Seriously, what happened to being civil on these forums? what happened to the reate movement being composed of thinking adults? what i see here is a mob mentality "rawr, this song is a symbol for what we dislike about the ending, let's rage at it!!". come on people, it's starting to get frustrating to read so many hatefull comments about a great band, Wintersun never asked to be viewed in this light, just cut it out already!
Sheez...
That's because the same people that are hating on the band and trying to draw this ridiculous connection, are the same people that refuse to believe there are people that liked the ending. They don't understand that other people have different tastes. Pretty sad really.
How is the connection ridiculous? I'm not hating on the band at all, but it seems like Bioware got lazy and just took ideas/photos from other places.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:55
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that BioWare would do something like this. This was a company that valued perfection, can't believe they've gotten this lazy What happened to them? Why doesn't a moderator respond to this thread?
Because it makes absolutely no sense to draw any conclusions to this? I'm sorry that your opinion of the games ending has warped you into drawing any conclusion you can to support it, but a moderator does not need to and should NOT respond to any of this pointless crap. It's been pointed out about a hundred times now, that the youtube video picture is not even from Wintersun, the actual album cover is something completely different, and the changing colors of the youtube video are just some random thing the author made. Before this whole ridiculous theory got anywhere that video had like 100 views. Secondly, that tweet is fake because it is longer than the number of characters even allowed. Thirdly, lyrics are lyrics because you can interpret them in anyway that you want. The OP, is grasping at any straw he can to tack on his own meaning that fits this. Lastly, the "Starchild" name was not something Bioware gave, it is a sarcastic creation these forum goers created to show their distaste.
Also, do you think the band and the author of that video really wanted you and all your hate crazy friends to flood that video with nonsensical "OMG IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW, ME3 AND BIOWARE ARE STOOPID!!!" comments? You guys have no idea how dumb you sound to everyone else.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:57
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Kings19 wrote...
Seriously? That is totally totally lame. Bioware failed hard.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 04:59
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Thatguyky wrote...
Kings19 wrote...
Seriously? That is totally totally lame. Bioware failed hard.
It's. Fake.
Are you really that gullible? Count the characters
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:05
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pavi132 wrote...
terdferguson123 wrote...
Goljana wrote...
*sigh*
When this post was fairly young i asked people to behave like adults and not insult the band, then i come back and it's 10 times worse...
Why do you people feel the need to bash at the band? Fine, you don't like the music, it's not in your taste, in that case just simply say that you don't like it instead of saying that the band sucks or that your head/ears hurts, no one force you to listen to the damn song! if you wanted your "evidence" you could have just checked the lyrics!
Seriously, what happened to being civil on these forums? what happened to the reate movement being composed of thinking adults? what i see here is a mob mentality "rawr, this song is a symbol for what we dislike about the ending, let's rage at it!!". come on people, it's starting to get frustrating to read so many hatefull comments about a great band, Wintersun never asked to be viewed in this light, just cut it out already!
Sheez...
That's because the same people that are hating on the band and trying to draw this ridiculous connection, are the same people that refuse to believe there are people that liked the ending. They don't understand that other people have different tastes. Pretty sad really.
How is the connection ridiculous? I'm not hating on the band at all, but it seems like Bioware got lazy and just took ideas/photos from other places.
Not sure if ridiculous is the term would use, i would more call it wishfull thinking....or something like that. The thing is that the OP draws connections between the ME3 endings and his own interpretation of the lyrics, i made a post on page 12 of this thread where i critizise this connection go read that post
basicly what it comes down to is that the lyrics ar every cryptic, poetic an open for interpretation. You can basicly assign them to anything sci-fi-ish.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:16
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Mastermadskills wrote...
Ooooooh no.
It wasn't just the 1 minute scene. It was the whole game.
Sorry, but it's pretty hard to believe that they'd make an entire triple-A title based off of a youtube video. In your mind, the evidence is damning because you've spent so much time working on the theory, and when you do that, you tend to subconsciously focus on the stuff that could fit your theory and ignore the stuff that doesn't. I don't blame you, that's just what people do.
I've read your post and, as an outsider, I'm simply not convinced. Truth be told, if you tried hard enough, you could take the lyrics of many songs and draw as many connections as you'd like. Also, when you don't interpret the other 3/4ths of the lyrics, and say, "but they totally fit, trust me", it makes you sound more like a crazy person than someone bringing hard evidence.
In addition, as someone trying to bring forth evidence to prove something, it's incredibly flawed to bring something forth and say "prove my evidence false". As the presenter of your case, it is YOUR JOB to prove the evidence true, not the public's job to prove your evidence false. Even though you took down the tweet, the fact that it was there in the first place and you said, "prove it wrong" discredits the idea that you know how to prove something factually.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:20
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Mastermadskills wrote...
Aznable Char wrote...
Hmm I think this was already posted sometime ago .
If it was, I don't care all that much.
There are millions of Mass Effect fans that don't know about this, and I think they should take a look.
It was posted before; I responded in that thread. Still nice to have more people see this easter egg.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:25
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LOL..so they got the ending from A SONG? and the photoshop of Tali's face..screw Bioware
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:31
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Ninja Mage wrote...
Kings19 wrote...
LOL..so they got the ending from A SONG? and the photoshop of Tali's face..screw Bioware
It is responses like this that makes me wish that the OP could include the critizism posted here in his main post beacuse aparently most people won't search for it in the responses.
The tweet has been proven to be fake and there is no hard evidence for the OP's claims, just his own speculation, get a grip my good sir and read trough some of the responses before you make up your mind
