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[Mastermadskills]

Fingertrip wrote...

If anyone believes in that god damn fake-tweet they need to take a step outside and re-evulate their existence.

Tweet or no tweet at all, everthing else reeks of a special type of business practice that I abhore.

If Bioware can lie to me, they can cheat and steal like this thread outlines.

[Kawamura]

Mastermadskills wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...
Can you show me where this is denounced?  I'll take it out if you are right, and gladly.  Until I see something or other though, it won't be altered out yet.

Oh, that's just not fair. You don't get to put up a thing and make people bring evidence that it's fake. You put the thing up, you bring evidence that it's true. 

-It gets removed immediately if the twitter pic is proved wrong.  I thought about it before I added it in, and did so at a warning to take it as a possible fake.

I'd bet big money it was doctored in some way. The reference to "hmm, changing colors" is just too much of a relevant line for mocking. Plus, the little scene at the end doesn't change colors, it's always blue, correct? It's the previous ending video that gets the color changing. 

-Would make no difference to Bioware no matter when the colors appeared, though.  Right?  The idea is out there to steal all the same.

Answers in italics above.  Please realize as you read my responses that I am not writing them as rude towards you.  I am not your enemy and don't want to be.  I am much more open to critique and such than I guess my writing suggests.

Anyways, as a whole I don't see the twitter statement this way because  I stated clearly that it may or may not be a fake, but  I'll go back and add stronger statements to it if you want

There is a teapot orbiting the sun halfway between Earth and the sun. I will retract that statement when you find something that proves me wrong. 

Think about it. Think about what the complaint for the endings is? "They're all the same, only a change in color!" Think abot what the "tweet" says. "Hmm. A change in color? Brilliant!" (Paraphrase). That's a bit like me telling you that Abraham Lincoln's last words were "Boy, Mary, this play is almost as bad as a shot to the head". Possible, but way too presient to be probable. 

[Painaid]

Wow...Just....wow.

[Mastermadskills]

Kawamura wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...
Can you show me where this is denounced?  I'll take it out if you are right, and gladly.  Until I see something or other though, it won't be altered out yet.

Oh, that's just not fair. You don't get to put up a thing and make people bring evidence that it's fake. You put the thing up, you bring evidence that it's true. 

-It gets removed immediately if the twitter pic is proved wrong.  I thought about it before I added it in, and did so at a warning to take it as a possible fake.

I'd bet big money it was doctored in some way. The reference to "hmm, changing colors" is just too much of a relevant line for mocking. Plus, the little scene at the end doesn't change colors, it's always blue, correct? It's the previous ending video that gets the color changing. 

-Would make no difference to Bioware no matter when the colors appeared, though.  Right?  The idea is out there to steal all the same.

Answers in italics above.  Please realize as you read my responses that I am not writing them as rude towards you.  I am not your enemy and don't want to be.  I am much more open to critique and such than I guess my writing suggests.

Anyways, as a whole I don't see the twitter statement this way because  I stated clearly that it may or may not be a fake, but  I'll go back and add stronger statements to it if you want

There is a teapot orbiting the sun halfway between Earth and the sun. I will retract that statement when you find something that proves me wrong. 

Think about it. Think about what the complaint for the endings is? "They're all the same, only a change in color!" Think abot what the "tweet" says. "Hmm. A change in color? Brilliant!" (Paraphrase). That's a bit like me telling you that Abraham Lincoln's last words were "Boy, Mary, this play is almost as bad as a shot to the head". Possible, but way too presient to be probable. 

I understood you from the beginning.  The same is why I hesitated to put the tweet in or not.  I added stronger caution to take it as a possible fake.   All the other evidence is very real and very un-fake, IMHO.

[Mastermadskills]

Added in the most damning evidence I have yet seen.

Take a look at the original post and compare the music video picture to the one you see in-game.


WHAT I WRITE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

Nobody can tell me that Bioware didn't steal the **** out of that video, it's ideals, and everything else.

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 24 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[Conduit0]

If you honestly think that tweet is real or that the song even remotely resembles the ending of ME3, your tinfoil hat is on too tight and its clearly cutting off blood flow to the brain.

[Mastermadskills]

Conduit0 wrote...

If you honestly think that tweet is real or that the song even remotely resembles the ending of ME3, your tinfoil hat is on too tight and its clearly cutting off blood flow to the brain.

Take another glimpse at the new picture I just added, and then come back here and tell me that once more.

They are the same in every way possible.  Trees are grouped the same.  Snow is the same.  Double moon is nearly the same.  EVERYTHING is almost a carbon copy.

I have no tinfoil hat.  I have eyes, ears, and logic.  

[Yubz]

Some "interesting" parts from the lyrics:

Million shapes and colours
Are storming inside your mind
- the ending colors he mentioned in his tweet

You cannot save them anymore
- Wanderer of time -
It's too late now
- Isn't that what the child says in the beginning?

The dream only ends, when the worlds come to an end
- Indoctrination theory?

You cannot escape to the dark streams of the sea,
To suppress your dreams
- Shepards dark dreams

That I'm wasting my life, destroying my dreams
- Ironically Shepard is doing just that in the ending >_>

Soon I'll join the endless whirls of stars
And I fall (something is dying, yet something is born)
- Synthesis ending. Shepard falls, something is dying (Geth), something is born (new hybrid races)

Modifié par Yubz, 24 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Bump for good measure.

[Headrusher]

Turran wrote...

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This has been posted before.


Why should anyone even care?


Well except for all of you to go "EUUUUGH, WHY IS BIOWARE DOING THIS TO US?!?!?! QQ"

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Such an intelligent comment. Thank you for that. 

It's kind of like watching a dog lick his own ass, actually.

[majormajormmajor]

Wintersun should totally sue :|

[Kawamura]

Mastermadskills wrote...


I understood you from the beginning.  The same is why I hesitated to put the tweet in or not.  I added stronger caution to take it as a possible fake.   All the other evidence is very real and very un-fake, IMHO.

You added tiny words with a large picture. Our brains are set up so we won't pick up those tiny words, we'll pick up the giant picture. It's as good as putting up the picture and saying you believe it. If you keep that up there, you'd better believe it's real, then, because that's what you're saying. 

And what evidence is real? That they -based- the ending on this song? Did they -base- ME1 on the ending song? Did they -base- DA:O on the ending song? Those are two songs that fit well in their respective games. 

This feels intellectually dishonest. Have a problem with the ending, but not fore these reasons. These just make the whole camp of "I don't like the ending" folks look stupid by association. 

[Conduit0]

Mastermadskills wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

If you honestly think that tweet is real or that the song even remotely resembles the ending of ME3, your tinfoil hat is on too tight and its clearly cutting off blood flow to the brain.

Take another glimpse at the new picture I just added, and then come back here and tell me that once more.

They are the same in every way possible.  Trees are grouped the same.  Snow is the same.  Double moon is nearly the same.  EVERYTHING is almost a carbon copy.

I have no tinfoil hat.  I have eyes, ears, and logic.  

Generic scifi image is generic. You see patterns where there are none.

[Draconis6666]

Kawamura wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...


I understood you from the beginning.  The same is why I hesitated to put the tweet in or not.  I added stronger caution to take it as a possible fake.   All the other evidence is very real and very un-fake, IMHO.

You added tiny words with a large picture. Our brains are set up so we won't pick up those tiny words, we'll pick up the giant picture. It's as good as putting up the picture and saying you believe it. If you keep that up there, you'd better believe it's real, then, because that's what you're saying. 

And what evidence is real? That they -based- the ending on this song? Did they -base- ME1 on the ending song? Did they -base- DA:O on the ending song? Those are two songs that fit well in their respective games. 

This feels intellectually dishonest. Have a problem with the ending, but not fore these reasons. These just make the whole camp of "I don't like the ending" folks look stupid by association. 

That song isnt the ending song though its a song that existed already, and since the entire plot of the series ending was changed after Drew left its not improbable that the new ending was inspired by this song, regardless of if thats true or not the epilogue (not that it even counts a s areal epilogue) image is definatly a stock image they stole from somewhere, just like Tali's picture is a stock image with 5 minutes of photoshop work done to it. Both are examples of lazyness and show a mindset that makes it very clear to see why the ending is so terrible. They may not have stolen the song to be the ending but the image similarity between the song's image and the ending scene just by itself is daming in that it shows how little effort went into the ending.

[Draconis6666]

Conduit0 wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

If you honestly think that tweet is real or that the song even remotely resembles the ending of ME3, your tinfoil hat is on too tight and its clearly cutting off blood flow to the brain.

Take another glimpse at the new picture I just added, and then come back here and tell me that once more.

They are the same in every way possible.  Trees are grouped the same.  Snow is the same.  Double moon is nearly the same.  EVERYTHING is almost a carbon copy.

I have no tinfoil hat.  I have eyes, ears, and logic.  

Generic scifi image is generic. You see patterns where there are none.

Those share common themes but are generaly distinctly different the other two images are almost identical in theme and in application of the theme

[Kawamura]

Draconis6666 wrote...

That song isnt the ending song though its a song that existed already, and since the entire plot of the series ending was changed after Drew left its not improbable that the new ending was inspired by this song, regardless of if thats true or not the epilogue (not that it even counts a s areal epilogue) image is definatly a stock image they stole from somewhere, just like Tali's picture is a stock image with 5 minutes of photoshop work done to it. Both are examples of lazyness and show a mindset that makes it very clear to see why the ending is so terrible. They may not have stolen the song to be the ending but the image similarity between the song's image and the ending scene just by itself is daming in that it shows how little effort went into the ending.

As someone posted above, that's a pretty normal sci-fi image. Like. That's a very common one. It's not stealing. It's just an archetype that shows up often. 

This is not the way to go about arguing laziness. They also included images of spaceships going through shiny lights and humanoid ailiens with large eyes. That didn't make them lazy, did it?

[Draconis6666]

Conduit0 wrote...

Generic scifi image is generic. You see patterns where there are none.

All of those images are distincitly different images sharing a common theme of two moons, the images in the first post share far more than common sci fi theme of two moons, they share nearly identicle color paterns, highly simliar layout of the pieces of the image and identacle image pieces that have simply been aranged slightly differently (though not by much) the trees are of similar type, the ground is of similar type, the position of the two moons is similar as is their actual scale. To dismiss the connection between those two specific images because they use a common Sci Fi theme of two moons is rediculous because it overlooks the countless other artistic similarities of the two images that go well beyond the theme of two moons.

[LieroOnTheMoon]

So we Finns ruined your ending. Damn

[Mastermadskills]

Conduit0 wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

If you honestly think that tweet is real or that the song even remotely resembles the ending of ME3, your tinfoil hat is on too tight and its clearly cutting off blood flow to the brain.

Take another glimpse at the new picture I just added, and then come back here and tell me that once more.

They are the same in every way possible.  Trees are grouped the same.  Snow is the same.  Double moon is nearly the same.  EVERYTHING is almost a carbon copy.

I have no tinfoil hat.  I have eyes, ears, and logic.  

Generic scifi image is generic. You see patterns where there are none.

On the contrary, my brain is STILL picking up patterns in this whole ordeal. 

The trees, snow, position, camera angle, and about 80% of BOTH images are near mirror images of the other.  They were so similar that I had to make sure I knew which was the game and which was the music video.  Include the lyrics.  Include the title.  Include everything else.  Include even the philosophical points of both video and game, and the evidence simply overwhelms my doubt.

Too.  Many.  Coincidences.  My brain can't and won't ignore this or believe it all to be chance.

And yet more:  Bioware is infamous for other similar actions with the same type of shady behavior.  It is far within Bioware's capability to do exactly as I think they did.

You disagree, and you have reasons for doing so.  I understand.  At the same time though, I have been studying both video and game for hours and hours.  What I am finding is too much for myself to call chance.

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 24 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[mattynutz]

Rare defense of BW relative to current events alert;

There is nothing wrong with taking inspiration from the story told in a song and reimagining it for another media. If you pick the right song. If you are creative enough with the reimagining. It is all good. Songs can be cryptic due to the limitations of 3 minutes and necessary repetition. So a 200 hour epic would expand on those concepts far more than the song, or even an entire concept album, could. A good example is Coppola's Apocalypse Now (I know, it came from a book). It is a creative reimagining of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness. But everything fits. He put his own flavor on it. And as far as I know, he always paid tribute to his source. He wasn't ashamed of that source. He was proud of it. Rush's 2112 is a musical reimagining of Ayn Rand's Anthem. And that's fine. They told that story their way and in a different media. And again, they never denied what it was as far as I know. If someone made a video game about a guy from the future travelling backward in time and being transformed into a golemn of sorts like in Black Sabbath's Iron Man, or if they wanted to make a game about a black magician going insane like Mr. Crowley that would be fine too. As long as they didn't deny the source of their idea and they did do something interesting and singularly theirs with it, all is acceptable.

Assuming this is true, If the guys at BW had picked a better song and stopped convincing themselves that this was an original idea, then it would have been fine. Even if they used this song, but finished the ending, that COULD have been fine.

[bly2425]

Oh. My. God.

[ReavousX]

Alright guys, I'm all for giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt, but let's look at this plainly.

-Bioware has already used a stock image in ME3, Tali's face.

-The background is similar to many sci-fi/fantasy images, yes, but from the positioning of the trees, snow, and slightly altered planetary positioning...yeah, this is more than mere coincidence. Tell two people to create an image of a winter scene with a clear shot of space in the sky, and you won't get images nearly as close as this.

-The song lyrics are just the icing on the cake. With parallels that can be drawn between ME3's ending and the lyrics...one can't help but facepalm and wonder what in the hell happened here.

-While I won't say Bioware stole/plagiarized/was inspired by this song and picture, I'm willing to wager that they were aware of it's existence before ME3's launch. Take that for what you will.

Before you call me a conspiracy theorist or some other nonsense, trust me, I'd like to believe that this was all coincidence, but I'm not that naive.

[Conduit0]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Those share common themes but are generaly distinctly different the other two images are almost identical in theme and in application of the theme

Its still just a generic scifi themed image, if I took more than a quick 30 second google search, I'd be willing to bet I could find atleast half a dozen nearly identical images to the one from the Stargazer ending. The OP's whole argument is an irrational conclusion based on his need to find a pattern that isn't there, and the rest of you are being dragged along for the ride.
People swear they see various shapes and pictures in clouds, the reality is that the shape of a cloud is completely random and chaotic, but our brains reject randomness and chaos and attempt to force patterns and order on what we see, thus finding familiar shapes in a random mass of water vapor.

[AgentCross]

Wtf..... no seriously... wtf?

[ReavousX]

Conduit0 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Those share common themes but are generaly distinctly different the other two images are almost identical in theme and in application of the theme

Its still just a generic scifi themed image, if I took more than a quick 30 second google search, I'd be willing to bet I could find atleast half a dozen nearly identical images to the one from the Stargazer ending. The OP's whole argument is an irrational conclusion based on his need to find a pattern that isn't there, and the rest of you are being dragged along for the ride.
People swear they see various shapes and pictures in clouds, the reality is that the shape of a cloud is completely random and chaotic, but our brains reject randomness and chaos and attempt to force patterns and order on what we see, thus finding familiar shapes in a random mass of water vapor.

There's virtually nothing different in the two pictures other than the moons.  If the pictures were even just a little more different, I'd concede, but the truly telling thing here is the positioning of the trees.  

I've done a bit of painting, and the landscape is where an artist really gets to have some fun...you're not going to have two artists create the same landscape when given the theme "Snowy Space".  Not even close.  I don't think this is some big conspiracy like Bioware took the whole idea for the ending from the song, it's more likely some artist got desparate while on a deadline.  Or something.  

Hell, I don't want to speculate too much, I'd like Bioware to discuss this though.

Edit:  I realize that ME3's picture has some different landscape pieces, but what's key are the two eerily similar trees. 

Modifié par ReavousX, 24 mars 2012 - 11:07 .