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[DragonRacer]

I like to think I appreciate a fairly broad range of music.

But I think I'd rather play through the abysmal endings again than listen to 8 minutes of that crap. Sorry. "Screaming vorcha" was a very apt description.

[Dridengx]

Want to hear what's funny? If he did take this song as art for his game, then you simply can NEVER say this game isn't art. therefore you lose lol

[Hydralysk]

I thought the ending was stolen from Deus Ex, though at this point I can't say I'd put it past bioware to steal from two places at once.

[Ender99]

Mastermadskills wrote...

Mithrawn wrote...

*slaps forehead* seriously this is a really weird stretch

Weird stretch with a ridiculous pile of evidence.

It's not a stretch or coincidence. The sad part is, I'm not surprised that Bioware pulled something like this anymore. Disappointed? Yes. Surprised? No

Hold the line.

[Naked Snakes]

That tweet looks phony as hell.

[Seival]

By the way... Let's suggest BioWare some perfect inspiring music!

Something from Two Steps From Hell maybe:

[Geirahod]

I hate that kind of music, no wonder then that I hated the ending of this game.

now it makes sense

Good job Bioware, now you just made me dislike you even more.

Modifié par Geirahod, 24 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Sublime82]

That song should have been the alternate credits theme.

[nullobject]

Picture of a 144 character tweet.

Looks totally legit.

[Doomed Avatar]

Saremei wrote...

The song stole the stock image in the first place so that's pointless to argue. Starchild is not the name of the catalyst. The song itself has almost nothing to do with the story. Even if Casey listened to it, it's still weak.

That said I want my 8 minutes back that I wasted listening to that trashy song. It has nothing musically redeemable about it. Just fast notes played with all the feeling of an industrial robot with a dying animal for a singer.

You can discuss if the song is related to the ending or not, of course. But, was it necessary to insult the singer and despise the work of the whole band?

[Persephone]

No.

There will always be similarities, it's unavoidable. Shakespeare openly stole the plot of Romeo and Juliet. Liszt's Liebestraum and Verdi's "Pace, Pace, Mio Dio" have striking...uh...similarities. Wagner openly borrowed from Bellini. Bernstein's Westside Story is "Romeo and Juliet" with gang wars. Marion Zimmer Bradley's "The Forest House" is a rewrite of Bellini's Norma. (Which she admitted) Hammerstein's "Carmen Jones" musical is Bizet's Carmen, even 95% of the music are from the opera itself. Daphne du Maurier's "Rebecca" is a retake on Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre.

Endings like this have been done before and no matter which game/movie/opera/book... etc. someone else had the idea first. I doubt anyone at Bioware has ever even heard this song before. But yeah, conspiracy ideas, esp. if they provide more ammunition are always more fun....

[demin8891]

[xrudix]

 I suggest this song  more epic you know.

[Twiggy]

Nothing created is really new. Art, fashion, literature, everything is based on something else that the creator saw and felt a resonance with. Does Casey listen to metal? Maybe. Did he like the video/song? Who knows. There is a lot of space and mysticism in metal lyrics. Some metal lyrics are downright awesome in their imagery. Maybe the ME3 team decided to use some of those ideas. Maybe there is a link between this song and ME3. But to my mind it doesn't matter. Because everything is recycled at some point. The similarity between the stargazer image in ME3 and the Starchild video from this thread could be nothing more than the creative team at Bioware paying homage to a concept or a band that they like. No big deal. And as for the lyrical similarities, well, the lyrics are ALL about the Starchild - their actions and choices. The death and resurrection of the Starchild....my read, if one assumes the lyrics are related to ME3 at all is that Shepard would have to be the Starchild, not the catalyst. But there are a lot of inconsistancies in that theory. So I'm gonna go with this is either coincidence or homage. Not everything is a conspiracy guys. And there are enough established problems with the game narrative that we don't need to seek out more. Interesting trivia topic though OP.

[Cobra's_back]

Yubz wrote...

Some "interesting" parts from the lyrics:

Million shapes and colours
Are storming inside your mind
- the ending colors he mentioned in his tweet

You cannot save them anymore
- Wanderer of time -
It's too late now
- Isn't that what the child says in the beginning?

The dream only ends, when the worlds come to an end
- Indoctrination theory?

You cannot escape to the dark streams of the sea,
To suppress your dreams
- Shepards dark dreams

That I'm wasting my life, destroying my dreams
- Ironically Shepard is doing just that in the ending >_>

Soon I'll join the endless whirls of stars
And I fall (something is dying, yet something is born)
- Synthesis ending. Shepard falls, something is dying (Geth), something is born (new hybrid races)

It sure looks like they used it.

[Deventh]

Mastermadskills wrote...

Aznable Char wrote...

Hmm I think this was already posted sometime ago .

If it was, I don't care all that much.

There are millions of Mass Effect fans that don't know about this, and I think they should take a look.

So what is your point? We don't know anything yet. All we saw is 1 minute scene with a grandpa and kid on some planet that may or may not been the same on this video.
Could be the same planet we visited with Zaeed in ME2:

WE don't know. So don't start saying that they stole any ideas from anything before we know for sure.

[AnthonyDraft]

1. Ehm....sorry but your stock photo comparison doesn't work really that much. The thing is, that video was uploaded by someone and probably used a picture to put on a video. The real Starchild album cover is in this link: http://www.uulyrics....lbum-wintersun/

2. The album came out on 2004 I believe, so the lyrics may or may not be a coincidence, and nor you, nor we can prove that the whole ME(or rather ME3) was inspired by this song.

3. "Stole" is a pretty big word for what you're trying to explain here. You can't prove that the idea was stolen. Idea's can't be stolen, only inspired by other ideas Even if the whole plot of ME3 was inspired by this song, and I doubt it, there is not a lot of evidence to support that, even if you look at the separate lyrics of this song.

4. Anyone can go out in the Internet and look for specific things that would make your thought process go in the direction you want it to go. What you have created here, is another unnecessary claim, that you found on the Internet to nitpick at BioWare to make them look even worse.

Yes, the endings were not good, hell, there were no any endings at all if you look at the straight definition of the word. What they had to do is make a closure and that would be enough. But I see why they wanted to go with more inconvenient way of ending the series, but, well, the result you can see at the moment, it was a large risk to do so, but I think that they didn't have the time to finish a proper ending. Here is me hoping that the DLC for the closure will be free(don't think so).

Modifié par AnthonyDraft, 24 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[blehblah123]

waiting for the artistic integrity crowd to start saying "good artists copy, great ones steal"...ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!!!!!!!!

[Felene]

Kings19 wrote...

I am going to find something to punch, BRB.

[nevar00]

  Oh god this is hilarious.  A complete coincidence I'm almost sure, but hilarious nevertheless (especially that Tweet, even if not real).  I have to admit though, I kind of like that song.

[FubarCFSnafu]

 Good analysis

It figures

[Persephone]

Felene wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

I am going to find something to punch, BRB.

Why would you punch something over a fake tweet?

[AtreiyaN7]

People are still bringing up the fake tweet, eh?

[Legendaryred]

[MeesterSquishy]

Huge coincidence, I don't agree with any of the lyrical interpretations. The only real link is the background image and that's flimsy at best. Also "Starchild" is what the fans came up with as a name for the child, he is referred to as the Catalyst in-game.
And that tweet is fake unless there's a link to it.