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[Anteocitis]

i can feel a lock coming on....

[sergeym1990]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Retake was more than just the 5 minutes, it was the experience that was destroyed for us by the demolition.

In any case, we aren't done yet.

I'm afraid it's over.  Bioware has already confirmed that they will not be changing the ending, only calrifying it.  I think it is our duty to show moral support for the retake Mass Effecters and indoctrinationist who must be going through tremendous emotional pain right now knowing that their movement has failed.

It's ok guys, there is still Bethesda.

They have not confirmed anything. There are just a few vague twitter statements. 

[Fruxie]

I don't feel sorry for us. We're holding strong.

[Evil_medved]

It ain't over until it over.

[Filby08]

Dammit, I never catch on to trolls until AFTER I have commented.

For shame, self.

[SkitSkit]

I'm just so over it. the whole child's play debacle... The Trolling... The Quasi philosophical debate over the rights of an artist...

I'll put it like this, the movement has been for the most part civil, as all ways we have a few ****ing idiots that drag us all down, but for the most part we have been excellent. those who haven't, well we now have the IP addresses of the first wave for after I finish "The Device"

If the endings are as they are now... Ok, you can call it art, in fact I can call the deuce I dropped "Art", is it good art? NO, at the moment, its angsty, nihilistic and BULL****. I AM COMMANDER SHEPARD AND I'M SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR DISINGENUOUS ASSERTATIONS!

Saying that, if indoc theory is the truth, ****ING A, this is art, the best kind. If I have to pay for it though its shady business practices... and I can't in good conscience purchase another Bioware product. It will be good, I know, but how can I support that system, I'm not part of it, I THREW IT ON THE GROUND. Shipping a game with a troll ending and then expecting us to PAY FOR THE PLEASURE!?! Yes Bioware, I'm going to pay you to rape me in the arse, and then come back for more? I think not.

Bioware, fix this, make it right, and keep doing right by your fan base and we will rally, At the very least I will buy an N7 Elite Jacket.

Hold the line

Modifié par SkitSkit, 24 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[Aubairjin]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Retake was more than just the 5 minutes, it was the experience that was destroyed for us by the demolition.

In any case, we aren't done yet.

I'm afraid it's over.  Bioware has already confirmed that they will not be changing the ending, only calrifying it.  I think it is our duty to show moral support for the retake Mass Effecters and indoctrinationist who must be going through tremendous emotional pain right now knowing that their movement has failed.

It's ok guys, there is still Bethesda.

Skyrim made me hate Bethesda.

You seem to forget that the retake movement was started to show them we wouldn't accept their trash, well, if they insist on more trash it will only cost them and the backlash will be heard world-round, just wait.

I'm afraid it's over.  Bioware is too proud to cave into the demands of the Retake Mass Effect movement nor do they feel threatened by it. 

There is still Blizzard and World of Warcraft.  You could play Mists of Pandaria.

I'll get an eye on Dishonored myself. Look promising.

[Aznable Char]

I feel sorry for the all of us both Retakers and Non-Retakers . Considering how alienating , destroying , pushing , suppressing , condemning , ridiculing , or otherwise simply damaging and dispersing the retake individuals would only mean a very large chunk of the core fanbase is going to be missing not just from the this forum but for any upcoming DLC new game pre-orders , etc . Not to mention word of mouth recommendation will flow negatively instead of positively . I've already personally am now up to 6 people who were either interested in Mass Effect in the past or didn't know about it at all who , since they trust me as a friend , will not waste their money on BioWare . The ending has ruined it and Bioware will not see another penny from me or from a lot , to be honest , of those around here .

That is not a threat or a bitter shake of my first . It's a sad truth and that's why I feel bad because .. well I don't really need to say it . BioWare already know the consequences and it's not like convincing those of you who are not our enemies to help bring a DLC that you don't need to buy yourself and keep the ending you want it , so that everyone can be happy . If the movement disbands and many of us just leave here and lose hope in BioWare and there are problems price hikes or quality drop and people wonder what happened to the company that they couldn't hire proper quality in their future products , I would like to say "I was worried this was going to happen if they lose capital returns from their core fans and the friends they recommended to the franchise" but it just doesn't feel right .

The more Retake is damaged , the more people fall away and they aren't going to happily go back to accept the ending , they're going to return their game , cancel their subscription , refuse to buy DLC , refuse to buy new games or buy them used etc . Those who hate us don't need to believe it because I know BioWare is worried about it .

If the movement does collapse , then I'll be disappointed but there's plenty of other games to try and hopefully companies better run will finally get the money that BioWare has been (up until now , rightfully) having from me . Enjoy your forum back , Pro-Enders . Pyrrhus would be proud . Have a nice Roman Holiday , it will definitely serve you well in the future and it has helped the company that makes these games , I'm sure .

[Marta Rio II]

Mims wrote...

Honestly? Even if the ending never gets changed, I think the fan community won't let this die. We've got talented artists, animators, modders and writers that could potentially come together and make something great. Like really great.

This.  At the moment, I think the modders are just revving their engines, waiting to see what Bioware will come up with on their own.  If it turns out that their closure/clarification "initiatives" aren't up to snuff, then they'll pop the clutch and go full throttle on fixing things to their liking.

And I don't feel sorry for Retake.  They had nothing to lose going into this, other than a few minutes spent posting on message boards.  Bioware is the only one that has anything really at stake here.  And I definitely do feel sorry for them.  They made a collosal miscalcuation, and now are facing a huge backlash.

[DJBare]

Ranicus56 wrote...

GreyLord wrote...

I don't feel sorry for the retake movement. They've gotten more of a lynch mentality as of late, turning on anyone who doesn't specifically want the Indoc ending. I disliked the endings as they are. I even thought the Indoc movement had some good points. Unfortunately it seems as if those who are in favor of rewriting the entire end and forcing Indoc on all of it from an earlier point than some would want, are rather offensive in how aggressive they are, even to those who may agree with them about the endings.

I feel more sorry for the rift that is slowly forming between those who disliked the endings and would like better, and those who are extremely specific in exactly what they feel the endings (Indoc theory has to be this and done this way type thing) HAVE to be without any compromise or care for anyone else's ideas or thoughts on the matter.

I haven't hated on anyone about the endings, and i'm part of the movement. Please don't put everyone in that catagory just because some people can't hold themselves together, Thank you. (not hating)

This, most of the retake I've seen have been incredibly civil given the abuse they have received from both the press and pro-enders, retake is not about attacking Bioware, it's about getting them to realize the conclusion is not acceptable in a game where "choice" was it's selling point.

Speaking for myself, apart from some bugs and errors the rest of the game is an incredible ride, I went through just about every emotion only to have all that experience ripped away at the end.

[shurryy]

danteliveson wrote...

They deserve it.

Like you deserve your god-child contradicting plothole mess of an ending. 

OP, Thanks for the sentiment, but I am not done yet... 

[TheTrueObelus]

It's not over yet. Clarifying will not be enough. Bioware will see that eventually.

Hopefully before they try to put out another DLC because that will fall flat without ending fixes.

[Aesieru]

Aubairjin wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Retake was more than just the 5 minutes, it was the experience that was destroyed for us by the demolition.

In any case, we aren't done yet.

I'm afraid it's over.  Bioware has already confirmed that they will not be changing the ending, only calrifying it.  I think it is our duty to show moral support for the retake Mass Effecters and indoctrinationist who must be going through tremendous emotional pain right now knowing that their movement has failed.

It's ok guys, there is still Bethesda.

Skyrim made me hate Bethesda.

You seem to forget that the retake movement was started to show them we wouldn't accept their trash, well, if they insist on more trash it will only cost them and the backlash will be heard world-round, just wait.

I'm afraid it's over.  Bioware is too proud to cave into the demands of the Retake Mass Effect movement nor do they feel threatened by it. 

There is still Blizzard and World of Warcraft.  You could play Mists of Pandaria.

I'll get an eye on Dishonored myself. Look promising.

I forgot Veggie was a troll and he just told me to play World of Warcraft lol.

[mulder1199]

you should feel sorry that we didn't get to use that teleportation device on the normandy more...that would have been fun....

don't feel sorry for the retake movement.....we're strong and holding the line....if what they come up with is unacceptable and insulting well tough cookies for them and us....

[Bourne Endeavor]

Mims wrote...

Honestly? Even if the ending never gets changed, I think the fan community won't let this die. We've got talented artists, animators, modders and writers that could potentially come together and make something great. Like really great.

If people took it far enough to actually design their own ending. That is quite a blow to BioWare's "art." Alas, I have read ME3 is quite difficult to mod you could piece together something of real quality just by rearranging game footage and making a Youtube.

For now, I will give BioWare until April to make an official statement. If they indeed, settle on clarity in lieu of nothing else, I will have less respect for the company and wait to see what the DLC is via Youtube. If it remains nonsensical gibberish like the present conclusion then I move on to other games and never look back.

[ThePanzer99]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

They worked so hard to get the ending changed and it looks like after all of their hard work and effort that the best they'll get is a clarification to an ending they already find unsatisfactory to begin with.

I don't like seeing people crash and burn so I can't help but feel bad for all those who gave it their all and ended up failing.

Mass Effect 3's ending is final.

Trolls be trollin.

[Rodia Driftwood]

I only feel sorry for myself for still hanging out in the forums, looking for a magic thread that answers my questions.

[-PG-Skyre]

GreyLord wrote...

I don't feel sorry for the retake movement. They've gotten more of a lynch mentality as of late, turning on anyone who doesn't specifically want the Indoc ending. I disliked the endings as they are. I even thought the Indoc movement had some good points. Unfortunately it seems as if those who are in favor of rewriting the entire end and forcing Indoc on all of it from an earlier point than some would want, are rather offensive in how aggressive they are, even to those who may agree with them about the endings.

I feel more sorry for the rift that is slowly forming between those who disliked the endings and would like better, and those who are extremely specific in exactly what they feel the endings (Indoc theory has to be this and done this way type thing) HAVE to be without any compromise or care for anyone else's ideas or thoughts on the matter.

Not all of us are Indoc nutters ;p
I'm a Retake member and proud of it, however, members on both sides of this player rift seem to look for arguments...or they seem to think the otherside is out to get them =/ I've asked several people why they like the ending (nicely) and ended out being insulted instead.

The "Indoc Theory" crew are sort of in their own camp. Some of them are on both sides of the ending rift. Some see the Indoc theory as the meaning behind the ending, and that is why they like it. Where as others see the indoc theory as the only way for Bioware to escape the situation (however, they both get rather possessive).

Two reasons we are angry, broken promises and the plot holes.

[ElcorAmbassador]

Everyone trusted Bioware once, allow them to redeem themselves one more time. After all these years, shouldn't they deserve a chance to put things right?

[KDD-0063]

If this is final, then people deserve a patch that fixes the plot inconsistencies.
For example
how did Shepard miraculously dress up in armor in the last scene, unconscious?

[Aesieru]

ElcorAmbassador wrote...

Everyone trusted Bioware once, allow them to redeem themselves one more time. After all these years, shouldn't they deserve a chance to put things right?

They had DA2 and TOR for that.

[Shinobu]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Bioware worked so hard to make the game and it looks like after all of their hard work and effort that the best they'll get is a clarification to an ending they already find unsatisfactory to begin with.

I don't like seeing people crash and burn so I can't help but feel bad for all those who gave it their all and ended up failing.

Mass Effect 3's ending is final.

Fixed it for you.

If this is actually what is provided in the end, the ones we should feel sorry for are the developers who poured their hearts and souls into making this game only to see it go down in flames over one tragic decision.

[Erixxxx]

Ranicus56 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

They deserve it.

What did we do?

I think it's a classic case of the few ruining it for the many. The amount of bile and hatred directed at Bioware from a vocal minority of the Retake movement has been insane. Some people just don't realize that it isn't the way to go if you want something changed.

I think a lot of people outside the Retake movement judges them by those vocal actions.

[Aesieru]

Shinobu wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Bioware worked so hard to make the game and it looks like after all of their hard work and effort that the best they'll get is a clarification to an ending they already find unsatisfactory to begin with.

I don't like seeing people crash and burn so I can't help but feel bad for all those who gave it their all and ended up failing.

Mass Effect 3's ending is final.

Fixed it for you.

If this is actually what is provided in the end, the ones we should feel sorry for are the developers who poured their hearts and souls into making this game only to see it go down in flames over one tragic decision.

You misunderstand.

One tragic decision?

Assets didn't matter in the entirety of the game, but we spent many hours building them up.

Our choices and decisions all resulted in one thing happening, no variations, no differences, the result was always the same. Our choices never mattered.

We never chose which civilizations lived or died, they all go about their lives in the way ordained by the writers.

Continuity of the series is gone.

The 10 minute ending scene wasn't the problem, it was just part of the problem.

[Erixxxx]

Aesieru wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Bioware worked so hard to make the game and it looks like after all of their hard work and effort that the best they'll get is a clarification to an ending they already find unsatisfactory to begin with.

I don't like seeing people crash and burn so I can't help but feel bad for all those who gave it their all and ended up failing.

Mass Effect 3's ending is final.

Fixed it for you.

If this is actually what is provided in the end, the ones we should feel sorry for are the developers who poured their hearts and souls into making this game only to see it go down in flames over one tragic decision.

You misunderstand.

One tragic decision?

Assets didn't matter in the entirety of the game, but we spent many hours building them up.

Our choices and decisions all resulted in one thing happening, no variations, no differences, the result was always the same. Our choices never mattered.

We never chose which civilizations lived or died, they all go about their lives in the way ordained by the writers.

Continuity of the series is gone.

The 10 minute ending scene wasn't the problem, it was just part of the problem.

You wouldn't have had a choice at the end at all if you hadn't built up your EMS. The game picks an ending based on whether you saved the Collector Base or not if you haven't done enough to prepare yourself.