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[alberta]

LMAO - Your sympathy is not needed nor wanted. However, BW does indeed need all the sympathy this planet can possible muster. Their sales have tanked. The game is a bust all across the planet - even former suck up good boys - IGN - are turning again ME3's ending after actually playing the game. BW suffered terrible self-inflicted damage of their own making - with the majority of the folks who entered the ME universe. More and more are returning their games and getting full refunds - all self inflicted -

BW has nowhere to go by their own terrible writing with the Mass Effect universe - their very best seller by a country mile - again by their own self-inflicted hand. Moreover, this ending tuned off countless fans of BW - now it is BW who are felling the wrath of their own creation. And I'm not the only guy that flatly refuses to buy any BW game based on their own promises THEY made over and over themselves. This time around for millions of former fans it's all about show me FIRST. The harsh, cruel lesson FOR BW - never bite the hand that feeds you - otherwise they get bitten back hard. And they just have. It is not what we lost - it is all about what BW lost. And BW now knows that better than anyone.

[Draemian]

Its cute that veggie feels bad for us, but just as tweets and press releases are vague (as they'd naturally be, i understand) their statements could go either way. Im waiting for April to see which way they're going.

[Fuzrum77]

OP is a troll. Move on, folks.


Edit: All of his subsequent posts begin with: "I'm sorry" or "I'm afraid it's over..." It's false, "calming" sentiment meant to anger the target audience. Don't fall for it. Let this thread die.

Modifié par Fuzrum77, 24 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Golferguy758]

GreyLord wrote...

I don't feel sorry for the retake movement. They've gotten more of a lynch mentality as of late, turning on anyone who doesn't specifically want the Indoc ending. I disliked the endings as they are. I even thought the Indoc movement had some good points. Unfortunately it seems as if those who are in favor of rewriting the entire end and forcing Indoc on all of it from an earlier point than some would want, are rather offensive in how aggressive they are, even to those who may agree with them about the endings.

I feel more sorry for the rift that is slowly forming between those who disliked the endings and would like better, and those who are extremely specific in exactly what they feel the endings (Indoc theory has to be this and done this way type thing) HAVE to be without any compromise or care for anyone else's ideas or thoughts on the matter.

Funny thing is that most of the retake movement hates the ID theory. When they really shoudl be workign together.

[Jackal7713]

Apathy1989 wrote...

I feel sorry for people who support bioware, you are doing more harm than good. Players deserve more.

This

[Fulgrim88]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Retake was more than just the 5 minutes, it was the experience that was destroyed for us by the demolition.

In any case, we aren't done yet.

I'm afraid it's over.  Bioware has already confirmed that they will not be changing the ending, only calrifying it.  I think it is our duty to show moral support for the retake Mass Effecters and indoctrinationist who must be going through tremendous emotional pain right now knowing that their movement has failed.

It's ok guys, there is still Bethesda.

Not that Bethesda Games ever had anything remotely resembling story or memorable characters.

But at least that means they can't fall as far.

On topic: I don't know, I was part of those who donated. I still think we did a good thing.
But I'm really sad that Bioware apparently didn't get what this was all about. Still harboring a little hope that some of the people like Jessica Merizan and Mr. Woo who seemed to follow this forums more closely will raise their hands for us.

[MeldarthX]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Retake was more than just the 5 minutes, it was the experience that was destroyed for us by the demolition.

In any case, we aren't done yet.

I'm afraid it's over.  Bioware has already confirmed that they will not be changing the ending, only calrifying it.  I think it is our duty to show moral support for the retake Mass Effecters and indoctrinationist who must be going through tremendous emotional pain right now knowing that their movement has failed.

It's ok guys, there is still Bethesda.

With words like that ya - nothing will change ..... Most here actually do understand this isn't a sprint but a marathon........

Way to make things change in the business word is through economics - we've hit them hard enough to were EA has called in VP and CEO of BW to say something.......in 2 weeks no less.....That is literally unheard of in the business word.

Only other time something like this has moved this fast was New Coke - Until them we hold the line - we have  timeline.......

if people give up - then yea we have lost....in so much as we've lost a Studio we love - that in itself is truely the tragity here........

But has more finish the game - more numbers are coming here and posting........We're not the minority - we hold the power as long as we remember we hold the power.......Without customer - there is now BW or EA......

HOLD THE LINE.

[Hydralysk]

Golferguy758 wrote...

GreyLord wrote...

I don't feel sorry for the retake movement. They've gotten more of a lynch mentality as of late, turning on anyone who doesn't specifically want the Indoc ending. I disliked the endings as they are. I even thought the Indoc movement had some good points. Unfortunately it seems as if those who are in favor of rewriting the entire end and forcing Indoc on all of it from an earlier point than some would want, are rather offensive in how aggressive they are, even to those who may agree with them about the endings.

I feel more sorry for the rift that is slowly forming between those who disliked the endings and would like better, and those who are extremely specific in exactly what they feel the endings (Indoc theory has to be this and done this way type thing) HAVE to be without any compromise or care for anyone else's ideas or thoughts on the matter.

Funny thing is that most of the retake movement hates the ID theory. When they really shoudl be workign together.

Most of the movement would be ok with indoc theory (provided bioware gave it away for free). The problem is there is no hard evidence it's true, and Bioware's own attitude discourages it. That and the fact that all indoc theory people are always going "You just don't understand it".

[StarGateGod]

Mims wrote...

Honestly? Even if the ending never gets changed, I think the fan community won't let this die. We've got talented artists, animators, modders and writers that could potentially come together and make something great. Like really great.

that would be nice just ignore biowre and let personal modders programmers make the ending better

[Shinobu]

Aesieru wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Bioware worked so hard to make the game and it looks like after all of their hard work and effort that the best they'll get is a clarification to an ending they already find unsatisfactory to begin with.

I don't like seeing people crash and burn so I can't help but feel bad for all those who gave it their all and ended up failing.

Mass Effect 3's ending is final.

Fixed it for you.

If this is actually what is provided in the end, the ones we should feel sorry for are the developers who poured their hearts and souls into making this game only to see it go down in flames over one tragic decision.

You misunderstand.

One tragic decision?

Assets didn't matter in the entirety of the game, but we spent many hours building them up.

Our choices and decisions all resulted in one thing happening, no variations, no differences, the result was always the same. Our choices never mattered.

We never chose which civilizations lived or died, they all go about their lives in the way ordained by the writers.

Continuity of the series is gone.

The 10 minute ending scene wasn't the problem, it was just part of the problem.

No, you munderstood my post. The tragic decision was Bioware choosing the "full-on arthouse ending" instead of giving us diverse endings that reflected our choices. All of them are paying the price for something that most of them probably had no say in and wouldn't have chosen for the company if they HAD a choice.

[masseffectfan94]

bioware hasnt won yet so keep fighting

[warrior256]

I'd actually say that the retake movement is still winning. Bioware may still be refusing to give us what we want but lets examine the situation: Sales of Mass Effect 3 are plummiting while returns are skyrocketing. At the same time, a signifigant portion of the fanbase is refusing to buy any Bioware products until the issue is resolved in a way we want it to be. Lastly, Bioware is recieving terrible press from this movement. The game certainly sounds unappealing if there is a huge uproar over the ending.

This is a battle of attrition. This is a battle that Bioware cannot win so long as we stick to it. So keep holding the line and we WILL get what we want. Either that or Bioware will lose many of their most loyal fans!

[Chrisimo]

They could clarify by telling us that the current endings are just an indoctrination attempt and they could provide closure by giving us the real ending.

Not that I think they will do that, but they could.

Modifié par Chrisimo, 24 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Deepo78]

Ranicus56 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

They deserve it.

What did we do?

Apparently criticizing a software company for releasing a substandard product is now bad.

[Zokopops]

The thing is Bioware cannot satisfy all, but making the ending clearer is good enough for me...Ive just spent 200 hours making sure that my entire crew is good and well...I think I deserve to know what happened to them. The final ending will probably lead up to ME4 and THAT will be a blast! So I trust in Bioware that they have a good plan:)

[Ultra Prism]

Retake was great initiative and still is ....it caught attention in gaming news everywhere ... I believe they good job ...

[Renew81]

Looks - nothing to see here - moving right along.

[Mr Indivisible]

No, the movement was to help bioware improve themselves. The loss is on Biowares side, the gain is for other developers.

Honestly my hope rests with double fine and wasteland 2. There is hope for games and it will not come from EA or bioware.

[sistersafetypin]

Aesieru wrote...

Retake was more than just the 5 minutes, it was the experience that was destroyed for us by the demolition.

In any case, we aren't done yet.

[Shallyah]

How does this thread add to story and campaign discussion?

Hate threads are frowned upon, and this is openly asking for a flame war.

[locsphere]

I don't see how they failed. Why are people like you everywhere in todays society. A doormat attitude and feeling things will never change.

We stood up we asked and the worst they could say is no. There are a lot of people who will simply go elsewhere for their gaming needs.

Mass Effect 3's endings were really bad, A lot of people feel they were lied too especially with choice mattering. I think the fact that almost 55,000 people have stood up and stated they did not like the endings regardless of getting the ending changed it really has to do with self reflection and seeing where they went wrong to anger so many.

There have been a lot of games that have ended very poorly, but never has it caused this. For BioWare to dismiss it as trolls, or entitled gamers would be a huge mistake and to continue their current business model will only alienate more gamers down the road.

These are small victories and the movement itself is growing in number everyday. By a couple thousand. Polls are be being taken and people not even part of the movement are voting in overwhelming numbers. As more gamers complete the game, the more are frustrated with what was promised and what was recieved.

[RaenImrahl]

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