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[evil-pineapples]

 Why hasn't Stanley Woo closed this thread down yet? He closed a petition I made a week or two ago simply because it was a petition. So why turn a blind eye to this thread?

http://social.biowar...index/9629345/4

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 25 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[Sakanade]

evil-pineapples wrote...

 Why hasn't Stanley Woo closed this thread down yet? He closed a petition I made a week or two ago simply because it was a petition. So why turn a blind eye to this thread?

because he is a moderator and he has a good intention.

Better than the millions of random petitions that spring up every day here.

Modifié par Sakanade, 25 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[SirRiot]

Stop posting

[DeinonSlayer]

Sakanade wrote...

evil-pineapples wrote...

 Why hasn't Stanley Woo closed this thread down yet? He closed a petition I made a week or two ago simply because it was a petition. So why turn a blind eye to this thread?

because he is a moderator and he has a good intention.

Better than the millions of random petitions that spring up every day here.

Yeah... sort of like how they haven't shut down the megathread in the Story and Campaign forum. OP's post could technically be shut down under the "Complaining about complaints is unproductive" banner, as well. Better to have one outlet than play whack-a-mole with dozens of minor threads.

[Heimdall]

Talon2000uk wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Talon2000uk wrote...

Raseri wrote...

@Aesir:

Why would you "oppose" anyone else's chance of a true happy ending? You want your horrible, depressing ending, you already got 3...but why the heck would you oppose one for anybody but you? I don't oppose your right to have your craptacular ending, you don't oppose my desire to have a chance at a happy ending. My single player games are none of your business.

This, exactly this and I would not just direct this coment at Raseri but at Casey as well. 

The issue is much more nuanced than that.

No it really isnt, I don't object to you having your nihilistic ending, do me the courtesy of not objecting to me having my "Happy" ending. 

Despite what you have writen having a good ending does not make your ending invalid just different. If you feel you have to be rail roaded into having a depresing ending then that is your problem not mine. 

There's nothing Nihilistic about my ending.  My ending is one where commander Shepard makes a final noble necessary sacrifice to defeat the reapers having done everything in his power to assemble the greatest fleet he could manage (Maximum EMS if you care).  If an equal or better result is obtainable without Shepard's death, my ending disapears.  It becomes the ending that occurred because Shepard was an idiot or screwed up.  It is no longer an ending of sacrifice and nobility, but one of stupidity and incompetance.  Only an ending with proportionate consequences can keep this from happening.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 25 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Nerfhausen]

This post is nonsense like the ME3 ending. First if we want a happy ending, what, we paid for the game, so we deserve a good product. Remember the client always have the money, I mean the reason. But I'll be happy with something more logical.

[Nerfhausen]

HenkieDePost wrote...

Actually, I don't get why we shouldn't be able to get a good ending. If we did everything we could, got every asset, got every good thing, did everything in order to save as many people as we could, then why can't we get a good ending? I think it is a little bit strange to just say: Screw the customers, they get a bad ending, a bittersweet ending, an even badder ending, but no good ending, even if they did everything they could to get the best character ever. I don't understand why people don't want a bad ending at all. It shouldnt be like that you get the good ending while not doing anything at all, but it should be there. People have different wishes, and it was their job to make as many 'wishes' come true as possible, in which they failed.

Exactly!

[DeinonSlayer]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Talon2000uk wrote...

No it really isnt, I don't object to you having your nihilistic ending, do me the courtesy of not objecting to me having my "Happy" ending. 

Despite what you have writen having a good ending does not make your ending invalid just different. If you feel you have to be rail roaded into having a depresing ending then that is your problem not mine. 

There's nothing Nihilistic about my ending.  My ending is one where commander Shepard makes a final noble necessary sacrifice to defeat the reapers having done everything in his power to assemble the greatest fleet he could manage (Maximum EMS if you care).  If an equal or better result is obtainable without Shepard's death, my ending disapears.  It becomes the ending that occurred because Shepard was an idiot or screwed up.  It is no longer an ending of sacrifice and nobility, but one of stupidity and incompetance.  Only an ending with proportionate consequences can keep this from happening.

I think the Nihilism stems from the consequences most deduce from the current ending, as described in the "This Hurts You" thread linked in my sig. You had a more optimistic interpretation of these, Aesir, but it isn't shared by many people. If Bioware's "clarification" puts some of these fears to rest, that's one thing, but ultimately I think people want other options to the three we're given now.

[Heimdall]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Talon2000uk wrote...

No it really isnt, I don't object to you having your nihilistic ending, do me the courtesy of not objecting to me having my "Happy" ending. 

Despite what you have writen having a good ending does not make your ending invalid just different. If you feel you have to be rail roaded into having a depresing ending then that is your problem not mine. 

There's nothing Nihilistic about my ending.  My ending is one where commander Shepard makes a final noble necessary sacrifice to defeat the reapers having done everything in his power to assemble the greatest fleet he could manage (Maximum EMS if you care).  If an equal or better result is obtainable without Shepard's death, my ending disapears.  It becomes the ending that occurred because Shepard was an idiot or screwed up.  It is no longer an ending of sacrifice and nobility, but one of stupidity and incompetance.  Only an ending with proportionate consequences can keep this from happening.

I think the Nihilism stems from the consequences most deduce from the current ending, as described in the "This Hurts You" thread linked in my sig. You had a more optimistic interpretation of these, Aesir, but it isn't shared by many people. If Bioware's "clarification" puts some of these fears to rest, that's one thing, but ultimately I think people want other options to the three we're given now.

I understand.  Well, I think I've put together a decent summary of my veiws here

[Big Jack Shepard]

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

I could live without a happy ending if I had been given a good ending. But, I wasn't given that on my first playthrough. And, I think think that the only thing that might wash this bitter taste from my mind is a Happy Ending. So there, deal with it, Apologist.
 

[MissMaster_2]

LOL. OP you don't have to by an ending DLC.

[Blackmind1]

Dalako wrote...

Strawmen and ad hominems are the weapons of choice for the pro-ending crowd.

"Strawmen"

There's that word again, I don't think you know what it means.

[evil-pineapples]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Dalako wrote...

Strawmen and ad hominems are the weapons of choice for the pro-ending crowd.

"Strawmen"

There's that word again, I don't think you know what it means.

Clearly he is referring to scarecrows.

[Ghost]

Saw this on another thread

[DeinonSlayer]

Ghost1017 wrote...

*image snip*
Saw this on another thread

I could be called a "happy ender," and I would find this outcome wholly inappropriate. I'd be perfectly satisfied with a scene where Shepard wakes up in a hospital with their LI's hand on their shoulder. Something simple, and quiet, which leaves the future open to the player's imagination.

That said, the quality of some of the fan art on these boards is a bit impressive...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 25 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[Heimdall]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

*image snip*
Saw this on another thread

I could be called a "happy ender," and I would find this outcome wholly inappropriate. I'd be perfectly satisfied with a scene where Shepard wakes up in a hospital with their LI's hand on their shoulder. Something simple, and quiet, which leaves the future open to the player's imagination.

That said, the quality of some of the fan art on these boards is a bit impressive...

I'm not a "happy ender" and I would be perfectly open to this idea.

Nice picture though... Is Miranda holding a Krogan plushie?

[Solmanian]

I'll agree to a disney ending, if it ends up being a dream, and u wake to find out the harbinger is still kicking your ass, and u didnt even get to the citadel yet.

[Raseri]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

Now that I can't agree upon where you have galactic devastation greater if Shepard survives than if she/he dies. Instead the galactic devastation should be dependent on the EMS which it should have been all along. If you have crappy EMS a way out to save the galaxy from utter doom would be Shepard Sacrificing her/his self. If you have good EMS then dying doesn't have to be the only option. It is a option if you feel that you need to die to get better results but doesn't need to be.

So no having the galaxy have a better chance if Shepard dies than if Shepard survives is not really a logical thing to do. We have all this EMS and in your way of thinking is utterly useless as it is now. If we implemented the EMS in a better way then you have a better chance of saving the galaxy without sacrifice though it's still an option just not one you have to take.

That's why I'm a proponent of the Refuse ending. I described it in brief earlier, and in more detail with Lord Aesir yesterday. Shepard simply refuses to choose any of the options presented by the Catalyst, and lets the battle play out to its natural conclusion, giving us four new outcomes depending on your degree of preparation.

* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn, like with the current Shepard Lives/Destroy ending)

It would be easy for them to implement, too. See the poll in my sig for a more detailed description. Refuse ending would carry its own sacrifice, and its own set of troubling implications for the future. The fleet you brought with you would be almost totally destroyed in the process, even if they won the fight. Instead of the quiet stagnation of starving colonies and isolated, limping core worlds that we have with the relays being destroyed, there would be absolute chaos.

Given the massive shifts in power Shepard has instituted, and the losses everyone has absorbed, any scenario where the relays survive would leave the galaxy in unrest. All species would still be in contact with each other - but they're not necessarily ready for that.  The humanitarian crisis would be somewhat averted, but in its place we'd have a political ****storm that would have made Udina blanch, and an open foundation for future wars. The Turians don't have their fleet anymore, which was the foundation of their power. Imagine what the Krogan would do after the war if they learned they were duped with a fake cure, and still had relay access. The power struggles would be massive, and Shepard wouldn't be the most popular guy in the galaxy, having stood by and watched the fleet get torn apart if (s)he had the opportunity to end it at any time. Even if Shepard got to settle down with their LI, they'd likely have to go into hiding for his/her own protection. I had no interest in being a "legend" anyway...

This "happy" ending bears its own unique set of problems, but they're problems I can live with.

This I could go with just fine.

[Oldbones2]

How about just an OPTION for a happy ending. No one is asking Bioware to force happiness satisfaction and logic on the masochistic, brutality loving, plot hole accepting pro enders.

Just give us some more choices. Like telling the RGC to suck it and let us choose.


Let the pro enders keep living and loving their equally valid ending

[Heimdall]

Glad to see we can agree on that, Raseri.

[Heimdall]

Oldbones2 wrote...

How about just an OPTION for a happy ending. No one is asking Bioware to force happiness satisfaction and logic on the masochistic, brutality loving, plot hole accepting pro enders.

Just give us some more choices. Like telling the RGC to suck it and let us choose.


Let the pro enders keep living and loving their equally valid ending

Check my signature for my counterargument.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

Clarification =/= happy ending. Let Sheppard stay dead for all I care I just like my Coffee with cream rather than completely black (While I don't drink coffee it seemed like a accurate analogy)

[Oldbones2]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

How about just an OPTION for a happy ending. No one is asking Bioware to force happiness satisfaction and logic on the masochistic, brutality loving, plot hole accepting pro enders.

Just give us some more choices. Like telling the RGC to suck it and let us choose.


Let the pro enders keep living and loving their equally valid ending

Check my signature for my counterargument.

So what I get from your counter is that in order for you to keep your preferred ending, I can't have mine?

[Kenta Shuuichi]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

How about just an OPTION for a happy ending. No one is asking Bioware to force happiness satisfaction and logic on the masochistic, brutality loving, plot hole accepting pro enders.

Just give us some more choices. Like telling the RGC to suck it and let us choose.


Let the pro enders keep living and loving their equally valid ending

Check my signature for my counterargument.

So what I get from your counter is that in order for you to keep your preferred ending, I can't have mine?

Pretty much

[Tazzmission]

fetissimies wrote...

I gotta love the fact that all the Bi0drones who defended the game after the buggy demo are now the ones that are butthurt.

im not butthurt if anyone is its most likely you and the take back movement


wahwahwah ill never buy another bioware game again whawhawha 

seriously you people talk so much crap its laughable and you know damn well youll buy another bioware product so quit acting like you wont