Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Oldbones2 wrote...
So what I get from your counter is that in order for you to keep your preferred ending, I can't have mine?
Pretty much
If you're unwilling to accept balancing consequences, yes.Oldbones2 wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Check my signature for my counterargument.Oldbones2 wrote...
How about just an OPTION for a happy ending. No one is asking Bioware to force happiness satisfaction and logic on the masochistic, brutality loving, plot hole accepting pro enders.
Just give us some more choices. Like telling the RGC to suck it and let us choose.
Let the pro enders keep living and loving their equally valid ending
So what I get from your counter is that in order for you to keep your preferred ending, I can't have mine?
Modifié par Teddie Sage, 25 mars 2012 - 11:25 .
Yes, I have said numerous times that I would be fine with an ending including Shepard's survival as long as there are balancing consequences. If a major character or several that would have lived with Shepard's sacrifice take the fall instead, that might be acceptable.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Aesir, I understand your point, but please understand ours, too: You want to do absolutely everything right and STILL need the main character to die. It's good, it's nice, but you can not force it on people, it just seems unfair.
However, lets paint an scenario: You did everything right but, in the end, you sacrifice not Shepard, but Anderson who decides to take the fall instead, or Javik. Would that still be a good ending for you?
He hasn't said the main character needs to die, to the contrary. Check back on previous pages. All he's looking for is balanced consequences. It's a reasonable position.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Aesir, I understand your point, but please understand ours, too: You want to do absolutely everything right and STILL need the main character to die. It's good, it's nice, but you can not force it on people, it just seems unfair.
However, lets paint an scenario: You did everything right but, in the end, you sacrifice not Shepard, but Anderson who decides to take the fall instead, or Javik. Would that still be a good ending for you?
I agree, mostly, but you'll find the opinion is more than split...Ton.G wrote...
I'm relatively new to this site. I want to add to this discussion, but can anyone tell me wny I cant post to certain threads and other forums? Do you need to be in a group or somthing? My other profiled has ME 2 and ME3 registered but I still cant post there.
Anyway---I took my time with ME3. Just beat it today at 59 hours. I blocked out all the hype about the endings since March 9th and just kept going until I finished it. I loved the ending I chose. (NO SPOILERS HERE) And I was left with a feeling of accomplishment, exhaust, and a little sadness. I loved what Bioware did and honestly, I don't see how else they can "add" to the ending. We knew what was at stake when the Reapers hit Earth in the very beginning. The last few minutes just took this story way beyond anything I saw coming--it went to whole 'nother level of mythology and mystery. When the credits rolled, all I could do was sit down and process the event that just happend. I couldnt make sense of all of it but that was the beauty of it!!! Sorry for the book post y'all but come on, this writing, this end sequence was brilliant. I love this freakin game.
I never said I need averyone to play a sacrifice ending. I only want alanced consequences for all the endings.Alesteir wrote...
So you want to force people to play your way? I would like the OPTION to have a happy ending yes I also would like the option to mess up and die and cause everyone's death's. Option's are good saying that you don't want a happy ending that's fine but realize other's would like that option just as you'd like the option to sacrifice yourself to try denying them that option is selfish.
Lord Aesir wrote...
Yes, I have said numerous times that I would be fine with an ending including Shepard's survival as long as there are balancing consequences. If a major character or several that would have lived with Shepard's sacrifice take the fall instead, that might be acceptable.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Aesir, I understand your point, but please understand ours, too: You want to do absolutely everything right and STILL need the main character to die. It's good, it's nice, but you can not force it on people, it just seems unfair.
However, lets paint an scenario: You did everything right but, in the end, you sacrifice not Shepard, but Anderson who decides to take the fall instead, or Javik. Would that still be a good ending for you?
Check out the proposed Refuse ending detailed on page 8. I think it strikes the kind of balance we're looking for, and if I'm not mistaken, Lord Aesir has been warming up to it as a possibility, as well.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Yes, I have said numerous times that I would be fine with an ending including Shepard's survival as long as there are balancing consequences. If a major character or several that would have lived with Shepard's sacrifice take the fall instead, that might be acceptable.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Aesir, I understand your point, but please understand ours, too: You want to do absolutely everything right and STILL need the main character to die. It's good, it's nice, but you can not force it on people, it just seems unfair.
However, lets paint an scenario: You did everything right but, in the end, you sacrifice not Shepard, but Anderson who decides to take the fall instead, or Javik. Would that still be a good ending for you?
Honestly, now that I know that I find it much more palatable. To be honest, I found your opinion before knowing that quite unbearable and selfish, but now I see it is actually quite reasonable, though I myself politely disagree with it: I believe that what makes an ending good is not that you can accomplish it with less sacrifices or more, it is made good because it is YOUR ending. It seems to me quite unnecessary to compare my ending to others and then complain because they had better for the same choices. Its a personal option of mine.
Of course I dont think the sacrifice should be senseless, that's quite hard. But I also do not think that the sacrifice must necessarily be of someone who has clearly earned some well deserved rest: For example, Javik would be a prime option for sacrificing because he WANTS it. He was born to do it. Sacrificing Shepard after all he's been through, just after coming clean wiht her LI, after she BEGGED for more time? To me it seems heartless to ask EVEN MORE of him.
Let him be happy, I say. If he's earned it.
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 25 mars 2012 - 11:40 .
I believe in choice too. I simply want my favored ending to be one of the choices. You're no different. Our desired endings simply cannot coexist.Oldbones2 wrote...
Oh I am very familiar with choice and consequence and the need for a balance to exist even in a fictional world. For instance it made sense in ME 2 that if you took to long to save your crew, the died.
Putting aside that you think your enjoyment of ME 3 is more important than mine. (which if that isn't the definition of entitled I don't know what is)
You are forgetting an important part of this game. A very well established and advertised part of this game.
CHOICE.
So I think I am right to say that Bioware can deliver an ending where you choose to sacrifice your Shepard and have your perfect ending be satisfying. And they are more than capable of giving me the same but with mine living if I CHOOSE.
evil-pineapples wrote...
Why hasn't Stanley Woo closed this thread down yet? He closed a petition I made a week or two ago simply because it was a petition. So why turn a blind eye to this thread?
http://social.biowar...index/9629345/4
I think Javik and Anderson together would work. Javik because he has earned it and Anderson because he feels like more of a sacrifice. Javik... just seems a little too easy.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Yes, I have said numerous times that I would be fine with an ending including Shepard's survival as long as there are balancing consequences. If a major character or several that would have lived with Shepard's sacrifice take the fall instead, that might be acceptable.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Aesir, I understand your point, but please understand ours, too: You want to do absolutely everything right and STILL need the main character to die. It's good, it's nice, but you can not force it on people, it just seems unfair.
However, lets paint an scenario: You did everything right but, in the end, you sacrifice not Shepard, but Anderson who decides to take the fall instead, or Javik. Would that still be a good ending for you?
Honestly, now that I know that I find it much more palatable. To be honest, I found your opinion before knowing that quite unbearable and selfish, but now I see it is actually quite reasonable, though I myself politely disagree with it: I believe that what makes an ending good is not that you can accomplish it with less sacrifices or more, it is made good because it is YOUR ending. It seems to me quite unnecessary to compare my ending to others and then complain because they had better for the same choices. Its a personal option of mine.
Of course I dont think the sacrifice should be senseless, that's quite hard. But I also do not think that the sacrifice must necessarily be of someone who has clearly earned some well deserved rest: For example, Javik would be a prime option for sacrificing because he WANTS it. He was born to do it. Sacrificing Shepard after all he's been through, just after coming clean wiht her LI, after she BEGGED for more time? To me it seems heartless to ask EVEN MORE of him.
Let him be happy, I say. If he's earned it.
Lord Aesir wrote...
I think Javik and Anderson together would work. Javik because he has earned it and Anderson because he feels like more of a sacrifice. Javik... just seems a little too easy.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Yes, I have said numerous times that I would be fine with an ending including Shepard's survival as long as there are balancing consequences. If a major character or several that would have lived with Shepard's sacrifice take the fall instead, that might be acceptable.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Aesir, I understand your point, but please understand ours, too: You want to do absolutely everything right and STILL need the main character to die. It's good, it's nice, but you can not force it on people, it just seems unfair.
However, lets paint an scenario: You did everything right but, in the end, you sacrifice not Shepard, but Anderson who decides to take the fall instead, or Javik. Would that still be a good ending for you?
Honestly, now that I know that I find it much more palatable. To be honest, I found your opinion before knowing that quite unbearable and selfish, but now I see it is actually quite reasonable, though I myself politely disagree with it: I believe that what makes an ending good is not that you can accomplish it with less sacrifices or more, it is made good because it is YOUR ending. It seems to me quite unnecessary to compare my ending to others and then complain because they had better for the same choices. Its a personal option of mine.
Of course I dont think the sacrifice should be senseless, that's quite hard. But I also do not think that the sacrifice must necessarily be of someone who has clearly earned some well deserved rest: For example, Javik would be a prime option for sacrificing because he WANTS it. He was born to do it. Sacrificing Shepard after all he's been through, just after coming clean wiht her LI, after she BEGGED for more time? To me it seems heartless to ask EVEN MORE of him.
Let him be happy, I say. If he's earned it.
I do feel other endings affect each other. If I can get equal or better results without sacrifice why would I choose sacrifice?
Sorry but that turns a sacrifice into a simple suicide. It is not the ending I want. I want my Shepard to have death with purpose and for that death to have purpose it must have a positive effect on the galaxy that would not be available otherwise, or without a similar sacrifice as I suggested with Javik and Anderson. There cannot be a definitively better ending without sacrifice or it just becomes suicide.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
I think Javik and Anderson together would work. Javik because he has earned it and Anderson because he feels like more of a sacrifice. Javik... just seems a little too easy.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Yes, I have said numerous times that I would be fine with an ending including Shepard's survival as long as there are balancing consequences. If a major character or several that would have lived with Shepard's sacrifice take the fall instead, that might be acceptable.Kenta Shuuichi wrote...
Aesir, I understand your point, but please understand ours, too: You want to do absolutely everything right and STILL need the main character to die. It's good, it's nice, but you can not force it on people, it just seems unfair.
However, lets paint an scenario: You did everything right but, in the end, you sacrifice not Shepard, but Anderson who decides to take the fall instead, or Javik. Would that still be a good ending for you?
Honestly, now that I know that I find it much more palatable. To be honest, I found your opinion before knowing that quite unbearable and selfish, but now I see it is actually quite reasonable, though I myself politely disagree with it: I believe that what makes an ending good is not that you can accomplish it with less sacrifices or more, it is made good because it is YOUR ending. It seems to me quite unnecessary to compare my ending to others and then complain because they had better for the same choices. Its a personal option of mine.
Of course I dont think the sacrifice should be senseless, that's quite hard. But I also do not think that the sacrifice must necessarily be of someone who has clearly earned some well deserved rest: For example, Javik would be a prime option for sacrificing because he WANTS it. He was born to do it. Sacrificing Shepard after all he's been through, just after coming clean wiht her LI, after she BEGGED for more time? To me it seems heartless to ask EVEN MORE of him.
Let him be happy, I say. If he's earned it.
I do feel other endings affect each other. If I can get equal or better results without sacrifice why would I choose sacrifice?
So that your death have meaning. Most people who is faced with a situation similar to that simply does not know what to do after, by saving the world they have made it a place where they no longer belong. For those characters who know that the world they helped create would not bring any more, that feel they have given their all, maybe sacrificing themselves is the best way to go, simply because that way they can finally rest. Others would like to settle with LI, knowing things wont ever be the same again.
See? Both things CAN coexist, you just have to give them a bit more thought. Some of us are terrified at the idea of a "meaningless" death while we could have a death that made us remembered forever as sacrifice tend to do that for a person, while others are content with a peaceful death in bed if they feel they have accomplished everything. This is a choice too that does not diminish the value of sacrifice, is just another very valid option.
PD: I voted "Yes" for the refuse, my friend, dont worry
They are, and I am free to disagree.Teddie Sage wrote...
Lord Aesir, leave that user alone please. Everyone should be free to think what they want.
Isn't that the whole reason of free will?
zaalbar76 wrote...
ME3 already has a Disney movie endingfetissimies wrote...
Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.
It has Space Magic and casper the not so friendly ghost.
Tirigon wrote...
evil-pineapples wrote...
Why hasn't Stanley Woo closed this thread down yet? He closed a petition I made a week or two ago simply because it was a petition. So why turn a blind eye to this thread?
http://social.biowar...index/9629345/4
Maybe he is on holidays? Havent seen any Stanley posts for over a week now.
Please read the section at the bottom of the link in my signature.joejoe099 wrote...
how about allow us a happy ending if we choose to and have enough war assits?
Modifié par Ton.G, 26 mars 2012 - 02:14 .
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