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Petition: Please don't make a Happy Ending DLC


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#101
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fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.


Closure and logic do not necessarily equal happy.  BTW, when I was a kid "Old Yeller" put me off Disney for years.  So no, I definitely don't want them to go all "Disney" on me.

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AlanC9 wrote...

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How do I end up with a tragic ending if Shepard can avoid it? Do I deliberately have him make stupid choices?


No, you make the choices the game already offers you. If the current choices seem stupid, then hey, perhaps they are. 

But alas, roleplaying and meta-gaming rarely mix. 


I think you missed my point. Since I'm RPing Shepard, he's not going to deliberately choose the tragic ending. That's kind of the point of a tragic ending, you know.

Only a metagamer will ever see a tragic ending if the game makes happy endings available.



Wrong only metagamers would even look at the endings before it happens.
How are you RPing SHepard if your looking at the choices as what would support the endings?

Did you honestly have sex with Morrigon every time just because you knew you wouldn't die?

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How is it a Disney ending after 4 planets at least are destroyed, billions are dead, Mordin, Anderson, and Thane are dead, I mean really? If you consider anything after all of that a Disney ending, you're basically insensitive to the suffering of billions.

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Y'know, I don't really care what kind of ending we get so as long as it makes sense within context.

But just for the lulz, I want an extremely clichéd, super happy ending - so I can watch these grimdark hipsters lose their shit and slash their wrists in agony.

Modifié par Femlob, 24 mars 2012 - 08:34 .


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Most of us don't care about a happy ending. Most of us just want it to not be a "God did it", Lost nothing-actually-mattered ending. And for our choices to actually affect the outcome.

Modifié par blackangel209, 24 mars 2012 - 08:42 .


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Divitiacus wrote...

How is it a Disney ending after 4 planets at least are destroyed, billions are dead, Mordin, Anderson, and Thane are dead, I mean really? If you consider anything after all of that a Disney ending, you're basically insensitive to the suffering of billions.


lol I didn't even think of it like that.
It reminds me of that part on 24 when a Nuke actually goes of in LA and people are like meh doesn't affect anything.
Your watching a show about a guy intent on stopping terrorists attacks and one suceeds and that changes nothing?

Same thing here.  Reapers have pretty much decimated Earth, Pavalin, ect and thats a disney happy ending?  Doesn't make any sense to me either.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

It has been a frequent accusation on these boards that those of us seeking revision of the ending of Mass Effect 3 want a "happy ending." Condescending references to sunshine, rainbows, and partying Ewoks have been endemic.

Primarily, we want Bioware to deliver on their promise of divergent endings, differing as a consequence of your actions throughout. At present, the narrative decision which was made regarding the Mass Relays renders most of our decisions and achievements throughout the game pointless. We would prefer that the endings make sense, and remain thematically consistent with the rest of the series. I'm not asking that the current endings be removed; rather, for more options.

Options, after all, have been the foundation of the story.

I have no interest in ever doing a playthrough with a same-sex romance. More power to those who do, but I don't swing that way.

I don't think I could stomach watching the Geth destroy the Quarian Migrant Fleet, even on YouTube. The thought of letting that happen actually makes me feel physically ill. The reverse? Not so much. Others have a different opinion.

In all three games, paths are open to me that I have no intention of ever following. The fact that these options exist does not offend me, or turn me off to playing the game altogether. This is a branching story, and everyone has their own goals, their own morals, their own expectations and perspectives.

The same principle rings true here. There are people who want a bittersweet ending for Shepard and his/her crew; who find it the most appropriate outcome for their narrative. I don't begrudge anyone for that, and I think those endings should definitely be included. I, personally, want the opportunity to earn something more, and I'm willing to work for it. I'm not asking for a parade, or a pretentious medal ceremony. I'd be appalled by Ewoks, or a party of any kind - precisely because, in a galaxy in ruins, it would to my mind be wholly inappropriate. It wouldn't take much. A chance to keep the relays intact, an ME2-style walk through the Normandy, or Shepard waking up in a hospital with his/her LI's hand on their shoulder would probably do it. Perhaps a minute-long cutscene before or after the credits, showing them having fulfilled the promises they made. Something simple, and quiet, which leaves the future open to the player's imagination. Even a somber ending could be considered a happy one.

The fact that Mass Effect's narrative finds ways to accommodate so many of us is what makes this series so remarkable. There's no reason to throw that out in the last five minutes of the trilogy. We all want the endings to make more sense. But if they're all invariably depressing, it's going to hurt replay value.

I would argue it already has.


Agreed. This should be trumpeted all over the internet (except that would be spam).

This post captures my own thoughts with nearly 100% accuracy. Accomodation for players making their OWN story has been the order of business for 3 full games. I am all for a horrifically sad ending, and a bitterwseet ending, and something else in between, but I think their ought to be a moderately happy/hopeful one too. I have multiple shepards and I'd like to see at least one of them get to settle down with the LI that Bioware had me working for 3 games to get/keep a relationship with.


I feel bad for the guy who mentioned his young daughter was crushed by not having any way to live happily ever after with Kaiden. It might not be the appropriate ending for everybody, but it is the appropriate ending for SOME.

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Oh COME on. If it's a DLC, you don't have to get it. Why take it away from people who want it? that's just cruel. Also, since when is it whining to wish for a character you love to not die?

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fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.


I love how everyone thinks that since we want a different ending we want it happy. I'm fine with shepard dying im alright with millions of people dying to save earth its the plot holes that I dont like so get your story straight.

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Another thread from some fool who clearly has done absolutely zero research on the ending controversy.

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Please Bioware, give me happy endings!

:happy:

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Oh look, another one of.....nvm

Happy ending should be an option, now, if you can't understand that, than i feel sorry for you.

ME2 and DA:O are perfect examples of how it should've been done in the first place.

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

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It's stupid, why would they add just a happy ending? They should add a Very bad, bad, pretty bad, okay,pretty good, good and very good ending.

New outcomes:
* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn)

It would be easy for them to implement, too. See the poll in my sig.

Yeah that would make sense instead we get 1 emo ending with three different colors.But hey we wouldnt want to give that disney ending because that would be too cliche so instead we get the cliche everebody loses twist.Yeah if this is art i guess that turd i dropped in the toilet earlier today is art.

#114
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Yep. I want a happy ending. And please don't call me a whiner just because I want it. I don't call peoples who like the ending intellectually retarded for not seeing those plot holes. Keep it civil!

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While I just want an ending that makes sense...

I still don't get the anti-happy hate. Happy /= Disney and parties. It means things aren't completely arsed.

When did it become so trendy to have a dark, depressing end? Will never understand that.

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foo man chew wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

BootyBamBoo wrote...

It's stupid, why would they add just a happy ending? They should add a Very bad, bad, pretty bad, okay,pretty good, good and very good ending.

New outcomes:
* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn)

It would be easy for them to implement, too. See the poll in my sig.

Yeah that would make sense instead we get 1 emo ending with three different colors.But hey we wouldnt want to give that disney ending because that would be too cliche so instead we get the cliche everebody loses twist.Yeah if this is art i guess that turd i dropped in the toilet earlier today is art.

I should specify that, as described in the poll, those new outcomes are in addition to the ones which already exist - they don't replace them. You're given the choice to refuse those options, and the outcome would be tied directly to your level of preparedness. Your military assets would effect the ending in a way that actually makes sense, instead of the size of the fleet you gathered determining the severity of the galaxy-shattering technicolor explosion you cause.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 mars 2012 - 09:17 .


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Iam2ugly wrote...

Yep. I want a happy ending. And please don't call me a whiner just because I want it. I don't call peoples who like the ending intellectually retarded for not seeing those plot holes. Keep it civil!


I just make my own excuses for them and be off with it.

These excuses ofcoruse don't qualify for everyone. That being said, everyone has right for their opinions.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I think you missed my point. Since I'm RPing Shepard, he's not going to deliberately choose the tragic ending. That's kind of the point of a tragic ending, you know.

Only a metagamer will ever see a tragic ending if the game makes happy endings available.


Wrong only metagamers would even look at the endings before it happens.
How are you RPing SHepard if your looking at the choices as what would support the endings?


I'm not. But so far the only proposal I'm hearing for not giving the happy ending to everyone is making it require a lot of EMS. My Shepards are trying to maximize EMS. Aren't all Shepards trying to do that? (This is exactly what DeinonSlayer's proposing above)

If you've got a different way to keep every Shepard from getting the happy ending, let's hear it.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 mars 2012 - 09:18 .


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Id want the possibility for a happy ending to be there for the ppl who aims for it and makes the effort.
Da:o ending is a good example that you can make both sides of this issue satisfied.

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I'd love for a happy ending to be present, but only obtainible under specific conditions.

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Petition: Everybody STFU about the endings already.

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fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.



Once again...

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PiEman wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.



Once again...

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...What the hell am I looking at?

#124
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Clearly people are trying to enjoy this game wrong way. Please, enjoy it my way, the right way. Thank you.

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Nice trolling, OP. Next time you feel the need to voice your oppinion, do it without resulting to attacks. That makes your oppinion invalid.