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[N172]

Regarding the squad something like "Save 2, let the rest die" whould have been great, same for the non-squad-crew, you know... an actual choice... like virmire...

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I think you missed my point. Since I'm RPing Shepard, he's not going to deliberately choose the tragic ending. That's kind of the point of a tragic ending, you know.

Only a metagamer will ever see a tragic ending if the game makes happy endings available.

Wrong only metagamers would even look at the endings before it happens.
How are you RPing SHepard if your looking at the choices as what would support the endings?

I'm not. But so far the only proposal I'm hearing for not giving the happy ending to everyone is making it require a lot of EMS. My Shepards are trying to maximize EMS. Aren't all Shepards trying to do that? (This is exactly what DeinonSlayer's proposing above)

If you've got a different way to keep every Shepard from getting the happy ending, let's hear it.

OK, that's an objection I can understand.

The alternate ending proposal you evidently read was thought of in about five minutes, and I never expected it to get the reception it has. That said, before we ever learned of the endings, my original thought of how it would happen was, the longer you spent running around, collecting allies and solving everyone else's problems, the greater the devastation would be on Earth by the time you got back. Preparation would be a double-edged sword. Taking the time to build up a force which could actually stand against the Reapers would mean there was less of Earth left to save.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 25 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[X_30002000]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I think you missed my point. Since I'm RPing Shepard, he's not going to deliberately choose the tragic ending. That's kind of the point of a tragic ending, you know.

Only a metagamer will ever see a tragic ending if the game makes happy endings available.

Wrong only metagamers would even look at the endings before it happens.
How are you RPing SHepard if your looking at the choices as what would support the endings?

I'm not. But so far the only proposal I'm hearing for not giving the happy ending to everyone is making it require a lot of EMS. My Shepards are trying to maximize EMS. Aren't all Shepards trying to do that? (This is exactly what DeinonSlayer's proposing above)

If you've got a different way to keep every Shepard from getting the happy ending, let's hear it.

Well, I personally confused trying to understand you.
You say “aren’t all players max EMS”? The answer is no, why would you do it just for the sake of it? This is RPG game, you do what you want, not what you told to. I did not maxed EMS.
I can see that you played ME2. Then you should know that you can loose your crew members by ignoring them. So, do not talk to them, you'll be alone, more chances to die. Again in ME2 ignoring some missions reduce chances of success.

Basically bioware did it all already, no need to invent the wheel.

Modifié par X_30002000, 25 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[N172]

By RPing you will lose points due to some of your decisions.

[Lookout1390]

I don't see how they can make it any worst...it was pretty terrible in the first place.

May as well just make a 3 minute video of Shepard waking up on Eden Prime after the beacon knocked him/her out and realizing it was all just a dream.

[KAMielke]

No one else is demanding a happy ending, but I'd appreciate one.

[VictoriousMarch]

AlanC9 wrote...

VictoriousMarch wrote...


Personally, my ME 3 ends after the illusive man shoots himself in the head and admiral hacket states that the catalyst is not working. Shepard bleedsout and the reapers win. On to the next cycle.

You can also just refuse to make any of the choices in the endgame. Wait long enough and the Crucible is destroyed.

Thats perfect... because after you kill the illusive man there are no more dialog options left in the game... so I can go for a walk and come back later and its game over nice

[GigaTheToast]

Why are these threads so much less intelligent then the ones defending the idea of a 'happy ending'? All I hear is "don't let the whiners get their way!!" whereas most threads against the ending have a tendency to... you know... provide some legitimate reasons.

There's a hell-of-a-lot more whining going on in the pro-ender circuit.

[sparkomatic1972]

Whats wrong with happy endings? oh, wait...not that kind if...

cheers

[Timstuff]

1) The movement's primary goal is not to get a happy ending, but to have endings that vary greatly depending on player choices throughout the game(s)
2) Happy endings are not bad by default. Stop using "Disney" as your ultimate weapon against new endings, because frankly it's half-assed and exposes the weakness of your opinion.
3) No-one is going to make you download "happy ending DLC," so it's none of your business whether or not it gets made if you do not want a new ending anyway. This is between Bioware and the people who want a new ending, so stop trying to put yourself in the middle of something you have no stake in.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Yep, don't add choices.
Choices are a very bad thing in a role playing game.

[Silasqtx]

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

Adding different outcomes to please as much fans as you can.

Win - win situation ,everybody happy.

You have "the guts" if you admit that you messed up.
You have "the guts" if you show some humility and try to fix the situation.

You don't have "the guts" by defending a faulty product, not at all. That's convenient.

[Heimdall]

X_30002000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I think you missed my point. Since I'm RPing Shepard, he's not going to deliberately choose the tragic ending. That's kind of the point of a tragic ending, you know.

Only a metagamer will ever see a tragic ending if the game makes happy endings available.

Wrong only metagamers would even look at the endings before it happens.
How are you RPing SHepard if your looking at the choices as what would support the endings?

I'm not. But so far the only proposal I'm hearing for not giving the happy ending to everyone is making it require a lot of EMS. My Shepards are trying to maximize EMS. Aren't all Shepards trying to do that? (This is exactly what DeinonSlayer's proposing above)

If you've got a different way to keep every Shepard from getting the happy ending, let's hear it.

Well, I personally confused trying to understand you.
You say “aren’t all players max EMS”? The answer is no, why would you do it just for the sake of it? This is RPG game, you do what you want, not what you told to. I did not maxed EMS.
I can see that you played ME2. Then you should know that you can loose your crew members by ignoring them. So, do not talk to them, you'll be alone, more chances to die. Again in ME2 ignoring some missions reduce chances of success.

Basically bioware did it all already, no need to invent the wheel.

Listen, an ending of tragic self sacrifice only stays an ending of noble self sacrifice as long as the alternatives have large consequences.  The instant you have endings that are 'happy' and have minimal consequences, those endings become mistake endings, the endings Shepard gets if he screws up and doesn't bother getting all the war assets he could.  There's nothing noble about them because they're Shepard's fault.  This was the same fault with the ME2 deaths.  Your Shepard has to be outright incompetant to get them.

I'm not against more ending options, but each has to have just as drastic consequences as the endings currently in place in order to work with the tragic self sacrifice model.

[orangesonic]

i like happy endings

[TexasToast712]

 We don't want JUST a happy ending dlc. Total annilation ones would be cool too. I would still pick the happy one though.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't get it, why is it that you people are so bothered that we want different and better endings? If you don't want them don't buy them.

[Ben Shep]

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

[Heimdall]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't get it, why is it that you people are so bothered that we want different and better endings? If you don't want them don't buy them.

Nobody has a problem with different endings.  We just have a problem with endings that turn the self sacrifice endings we like meaningless.

[Harorrd]

[Seival]

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

First of all, you probably do not understand that most core fans are disappointed with the current ending.

Second, "happy" is not a good word to determine ending. Some people even call "happy ending" the ending where everyone (or just main hero) dies. Ending can be perfect, good, or terrible. Current ME3 ending is terrible and completely illogical. That's why most fans are so angry. Thats why we want BioWare to make perfect ending DLC.

Modifié par Seival, 25 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[ShinsFortress]

-1

I *do* want the chance for a happy ending. I don't want to force it onto everyone, but *I* want the option for *me*.

Modifié par ShinsFortress, 25 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't get it, why is it that you people are so bothered that we want different and better endings? If you don't want them don't buy them.

Nobody has a problem with different endings.  We just have a problem with endings that turn the self sacrifice endings we like meaningless.

And who says a happy ending has to do that? I'm sure people don't want 100% happy ending and like I said if you don't want it don't buy it. Let the people who want their happy endings have them just as you can have your sad, bittersweet endings. I don't see what's the issue with people having happy endings if they're completely optional. Besides, I'm not asking for an LI marriage thing or anything of the sort, I just want an ending similar to that of ME1 and ME2 in regards of happy endings and I doubt even if it was happy a lot of things still wouldn't be. 

[X_30002000]

Lord Aesir wrote...

X_30002000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I think you missed my point. Since I'm RPing Shepard, he's not going to deliberately choose the tragic ending. That's kind of the point of a tragic ending, you know.

Only a metagamer will ever see a tragic ending if the game makes happy endings available.

Wrong only metagamers would even look at the endings before it happens.
How are you RPing SHepard if your looking at the choices as what would support the endings?

I'm not. But so far the only proposal I'm hearing for not giving the happy ending to everyone is making it require a lot of EMS. My Shepards are trying to maximize EMS. Aren't all Shepards trying to do that? (This is exactly what DeinonSlayer's proposing above)

If you've got a different way to keep every Shepard from getting the happy ending, let's hear it.

Well, I personally confused trying to understand you.
You say “aren’t all players max EMS”? The answer is no, why would you do it just for the sake of it? This is RPG game, you do what you want, not what you told to. I did not maxed EMS.
I can see that you played ME2. Then you should know that you can loose your crew members by ignoring them. So, do not talk to them, you'll be alone, more chances to die. Again in ME2 ignoring some missions reduce chances of success.

Basically bioware did it all already, no need to invent the wheel.

Listen, an ending of tragic self sacrifice only stays an ending of noble self sacrifice as long as the alternatives have large consequences.  The instant you have endings that are 'happy' and have minimal consequences, those endings become mistake endings, the endings Shepard gets if he screws up and doesn't bother getting all the war assets he could.  There's nothing noble about them because they're Shepard's fault.  This was the same fault with the ME2 deaths.  Your Shepard has to be outright incompetant to get them.

I'm not against more ending options, but each has to have just as drastic consequences as the endings currently in place in order to work with the tragic self sacrifice model.

 
Well,
1-st, Disney s happy ending is impossible here because dozens of billions of people are already slaughtered by Reapers, some of your friends already died, for many this already enough sacrifice and tragedy, some people are not as callous as others.
2-nd, this is RPG game, where we choose what to do and our choices matter (we were promised to at least), so there is nothing wrong to miss war assets, there is nothing wrong to refuse some quests if you do not feel to do them, there is nothing wrong to refuse an NPC to become part of your crew – this is not a mistake or screw-up or incompetence – this is your personal play-through.

If you do all things in the game (collect war assets,do missions, talk with NPCs, etc..) just because they are there, not because you want it, then you play it wrong. You play it as if someone else told you to do so, so you get someones else ending, not yours, no wonder you would not like it.

Modifié par X_30002000, 25 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[Heimdall]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't get it, why is it that you people are so bothered that we want different and better endings? If you don't want them don't buy them.

Nobody has a problem with different endings.  We just have a problem with endings that turn the self sacrifice endings we like meaningless.

And who says a happy ending has to do that? I'm sure people don't want 100% happy ending and like I said if you don't want it don't buy it. Let the people who want their happy endings have them just as you can have your sad, bittersweet endings. I don't see what's the issue with people having happy endings if they're completely optional. Besides, I'm not asking for an LI marriage thing or anything of the sort, I just want an ending similar to that of ME1 and ME2 in regards of happy endings and I doubt even if it was happy a lot of things still wouldn't be.

I'm not saying there can't be endings with things ending a little more pleasantly for Shepard and his crew, only that the galaxy must pay an proportionally higher price.  You cannot have an outright "better" ending without invalidating the tragic sacrifice endings as lesser endings.  This happens whether I buy it or not, the mere presence of other endings causes it.

I'm not sure what you mean by ME 1 and 2.  Their "happy endings" amounted to Shepard walking off while saying "We'll find a way to defeat the Reapers!"

[Ianamus]

Very few people want a "Disney ending" DLC and Bioware aren't going to make one.

This thread is pointless.