This ^^zaalbar76 wrote...
ME3 already has a Disney movie endingfetissimies wrote...
Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.
It has Space Magic and casper the not so friendly ghost.
You're not hearing me. I want a sacrificial ending. I want it to be the case that the Reapers cannot be defeated without sacrifice no matter what you do. I want that. You want that taken away. You are asking for what I find to be a fitting ending to become the result of Shepard's poor decision making and lack of sufficient commitment to stopping the Reapers. Shepard can make mistakes. Being an RPG does not stop that, it makes it possible.X_30002000 wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Listen, an ending of tragic self sacrifice only stays an ending of noble self sacrifice as long as the alternatives have large consequences. The instant you have endings that are 'happy' and have minimal consequences, those endings become mistake endings, the endings Shepard gets if he screws up and doesn't bother getting all the war assets he could. There's nothing noble about them because they're Shepard's fault. This was the same fault with the ME2 deaths. Your Shepard has to be outright incompetant to get them.X_30002000 wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
I think you missed my point. Since I'm RPing Shepard, he's not going to deliberately choose the tragic ending. That's kind of the point of a tragic ending, you know.
Only a metagamer will ever see a tragic ending if the game makes happy endings available.
Wrong only metagamers would even look at the endings before it happens.
How are you RPing SHepard if your looking at the choices as what would support the endings?
I'm not. But so far the only proposal I'm hearing for not giving the happy ending to everyone is making it require a lot of EMS. My Shepards are trying to maximize EMS. Aren't all Shepards trying to do that? (This is exactly what DeinonSlayer's proposing above)
If you've got a different way to keep every Shepard from getting the happy ending, let's hear it.
Well, I personally confused trying to understand you.
You say “aren’t all players max EMS”? The answer is no, why would you do it just for the sake of it? This is RPG game, you do what you want, not what you told to. I did not maxed EMS.
I can see that you played ME2. Then you should know that you can loose your crew members by ignoring them. So, do not talk to them, you'll be alone, more chances to die. Again in ME2 ignoring some missions reduce chances of success.
Basically bioware did it all already, no need to invent the wheel.
I'm not against more ending options, but each has to have just as drastic consequences as the endings currently in place in order to work with the tragic self sacrifice model.
Well,
1-st, Disney s happy ending is impossible here because dozens of billions of people are already slaughtered by Reapers, some of your friends already died (Mordin, Legion, Thane, …), for many this already enough sacrifice and tragedy, some people are not as callous as others.
2-nd, this is RPG game, where we choose what to do and our choices matter (we were promised to at least), so there is nothing wrong to miss war assets, there is nothing wrong to refuse some quests if you do not feel to do them, there is nothing wrong to refuse an NPC to become part of your crew – this is not a mistake or screw-up or incompetence – this is your personal play-through.
If you do all things in the game (collect war assets,do missions, talk with NPCs, etc..) just because they are there, not because you want it, then you play it wrong. You play it as if someone else told you to do so, so you get someones else ending, not yours, no wonder you would not like it.
You do know that living is a possibility, right?sushismygen wrote...
No one asked for changing the endings to a Disney movie...All people want is another option that can simply be added to the ones we allready have. That way you can still enjoy the original DIE, DIE or DIE scenario and leave the other choices to people who didn't find being blown up in three different colors satisfactory.
Lord Aesir wrote...
You do know that living is a possibility, right?sushismygen wrote...
No one asked for changing the endings to a Disney movie...All people want is another option that can simply be added to the ones we allready have. That way you can still enjoy the original DIE, DIE or DIE scenario and leave the other choices to people who didn't find being blown up in three different colors satisfactory.
Lord Aesir wrote...
X_30002000 wrote...
Well,
1-st, Disney s happy ending is impossible here because dozens of billions of people are already slaughtered by Reapers, some of your friends already died (Mordin, Legion, Thane, …), for many this already enough sacrifice and tragedy, some people are not as callous as others.
2-nd, this is RPG game, where we choose what to do and our choices matter (we were promised to at least), so there is nothing wrong to miss war assets, there is nothing wrong to refuse some quests if you do not feel to do them, there is nothing wrong to refuse an NPC to become part of your crew – this is not a mistake or screw-up or incompetence – this is your personal play-through.
If you do all things in the game (collect war assets,do missions, talk with NPCs, etc..) just because they are there, not because you want it, then you play it wrong. You play it as if someone else told you to do so, so you get someones else ending, not yours, no wonder you would not like it.
You're not hearing me. I want a sacrificial ending. I want it to be the case that the Reapers cannot be defeated without sacrifice no matter what you do. I want that. You want that taken away. You are asking for what I find to be a fitting ending to become the result of Shepard's poor decision making and lack of sufficient commitment to stopping the Reapers. Shepard can make mistakes. Being an RPG does not stop that, it makes it possible.
I know very well that nobody is asking for a Disney ending as I have already noted. I only require that new endings match the consequences of the current endings.
Modifié par X_30002000, 25 mars 2012 - 02:42 .
fetissimies wrote...
Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.
Actually pay attention to what I have been typing, please. The sacrifice I have been speaking of is Shepard's life in exchange for a better galactic result. That is the sacrifice I find so fitting to conclude Shepard's story. Lke the "perfect" destruction ending, any result that includes Shepard's survival must have a consequence to balance Shepard's survival in order to maintain the sacrificial endings. In that case, technologcical appocalypse.X_30002000 wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
X_30002000 wrote...
Well,
1-st, Disney s happy ending is impossible here because dozens of billions of people are already slaughtered by Reapers, some of your friends already died (Mordin, Legion, Thane, …), for many this already enough sacrifice and tragedy, some people are not as callous as others.
2-nd, this is RPG game, where we choose what to do and our choices matter (we were promised to at least), so there is nothing wrong to miss war assets, there is nothing wrong to refuse some quests if you do not feel to do them, there is nothing wrong to refuse an NPC to become part of your crew – this is not a mistake or screw-up or incompetence – this is your personal play-through.
If you do all things in the game (collect war assets,do missions, talk with NPCs, etc..) just because they are there, not because you want it, then you play it wrong. You play it as if someone else told you to do so, so you get someones else ending, not yours, no wonder you would not like it.
You're not hearing me. I want a sacrificial ending. I want it to be the case that the Reapers cannot be defeated without sacrifice no matter what you do. I want that. You want that taken away. You are asking for what I find to be a fitting ending to become the result of Shepard's poor decision making and lack of sufficient commitment to stopping the Reapers. Shepard can make mistakes. Being an RPG does not stop that, it makes it possible.
I know very well that nobody is asking for a Disney ending as I have already noted. I only require that new endings match the consequences of the current endings.
Then I do not understand what a sacrifice means to you. Dozens of billions of slaughtered people and death of some your fiends that cannot be undone no matter what -- that means nothing to you, this is not a sacrifice? Then what is? Would you consider ending where Sheppard wakes up alive on Normandy being rescued by the rest of the crew as unacceptable “happy” ending?
Modifié par Lord Aesir, 25 mars 2012 - 03:50 .
How do you know it's in London and not the wreckage of the Citadel or other debris after crashing onto the earth? I've never understood that assumption... She isn't breathing much until that point point so I interpret it as a sudden gasping for air awakening. The extra scene serves no purpose unless Shepard lives. We see that in that moment Shepard is alive. That's all we see. It doesn't follow to assume Shepard dies immediatly after we see his survival of the Citadel.sushismygen wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
You do know that living is a possibility, right?sushismygen wrote...
No one asked for changing the endings to a Disney movie...All people want is another option that can simply be added to the ones we allready have. That way you can still enjoy the original DIE, DIE or DIE scenario and leave the other choices to people who didn't find being blown up in three different colors satisfactory.
Right, if you speculate that this is what it is when Shepard's chest moves for a second. For me it looked like his/hers last breath so yeah, "the good ending" shows you that Shepard died a hero in a ruble on the streets of London and didn't get pulveriezed or what have you by the starchild r-******. Which brings us to the whole point of endings being good or bad... "it's all in your head"
Modifié par Lord Aesir, 25 mars 2012 - 03:49 .
I don't want a happy ending. I want different varied but balanced endings. A Reapers win scenario maybe, but I don't want s single ending that gets definitively better results than the others. It makes it a false choice.Heather Cline wrote...
While I support you not wanting a happy ending. It's not fair of you to demand that no one get a happy ending for their Shepard. I think that there should be one happy ending. One really horrible ending then shades of grey in between those two endings. This way depending on your choices throughout the game you then get to choose what ending you get.
However demanding that no one gets a happy ending is not fair and not right. We the supporters of retake the ending only want the original 16 endings we had been promised with the possibility of a happy ending along with various different endings as well. So we have one happy, one sad, one where Shepard sacrifices her/his self and so on and so forth.
Again I state it's not fair to demand no happy endings at all. That's utterly bogus.
Thank you for reading.
Modifié par Lord Aesir, 25 mars 2012 - 03:47 .
As long as the galactic devestation is greater than in ending where Shepard dies, I would not have a problem with that ending. Though I'm not sure I'd call it happy.Heather Cline wrote...
Lord Aesir I'm not a proponent for a ending where you get one single ending that has the best results. Many of us for having the happy ending want really that Shepard ends up with her/his LI and possibly crew members in the end. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. The galaxy is devastated, Earth if it survived needs a long time to rebuild and repopulate among other problems. There is no perfect ending where it's disney. No it will still be a bleak future but the fact is the happy ending many of us want is just Shepard alive with LI and crew in the end.
That's not too much to ask for as a happy ending.
As long as that doesn't mean we have to kill off an entire species, I'm fine with this.Lord Aesir wrote...
As long as the galactic devestation is greater than in ending where Shepard dies, I would not have a problem with that ending. Though I'm not sure I'd call it happy.Heather Cline wrote...
Lord Aesir I'm not a proponent for a ending where you get one single ending that has the best results. Many of us for having the happy ending want really that Shepard ends up with her/his LI and possibly crew members in the end. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. The galaxy is devastated, Earth if it survived needs a long time to rebuild and repopulate among other problems. There is no perfect ending where it's disney. No it will still be a bleak future but the fact is the happy ending many of us want is just Shepard alive with LI and crew in the end.
That's not too much to ask for as a happy ending.
Modifié par Heather Cline, 25 mars 2012 - 03:58 .
That, I cannot agree with. Your way of thinking makes my prefered sacrificial ending the result of screwing up, making poor decisions and not taking the time to get high EMS. It makes the ending you suggest a definitively better ending that invalidates the necesity of the sacrifice and detracts from the strength of the sacrifice ending. The EMS should have an effect but it should not open up any endings that make other endings the obviously worse option. It should bring in more options, though.Heather Cline wrote...
Now that I can't agree upon where you have galactic devastation greater if Shepard survives than if she/he dies. Instead the galactic devastation should be dependent on the EMS which it should have been all along. If you have crappy EMS a way out to save the galaxy from utter doom would be Shepard Sacrificing her/his self. If you have good EMS then dying doesn't have to be the only option. It is a option if you feel that you need to die to get better results but doesn't need to be.
So no having the galaxy have a better chance if Shepard dies than if Shepard survives is not really a logical thing to do. We have all this EMS and in your way of thinking is utterly useless as it is now. If we implemented the EMS in a better way then you have a better chance of saving the galaxy without sacrifice though it's still an option just not one you have to take.
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