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[DeinonSlayer]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

oblique9 wrote...

* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn, like with the current Shepard Lives/Destroy ending)

- This seems reasonable to me. And I agree, I think it's a reasonable expectation....

That would be cool. I would just sprinkle a few more variations around these endings in there.

He just quoted a part of it. Check out the full description above, or see the poll in my sig. This proposal has widespread support already.

[Star]

SilverMoonDragon wrote...

Aslanasadi wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

Lord Aesir I'm not a proponent for a ending where you get one single ending that has the best results. Many of us for having the happy ending want really that Shepard ends up with her/his LI and possibly crew members in the end. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. The galaxy is devastated, Earth if it survived needs a long time to rebuild and repopulate among other problems. There is no perfect ending where it's disney. No it will still be a bleak future but the fact is the happy ending many of us want is just Shepard alive with LI and crew in the end.

That's not too much to ask for as a happy ending.

This 

^ Yeah...that would've been the ideal ending for me, some bleakness mixed in with happiness, but more importantly a strong hope....having some bitterness is realistic and mixed in with happiness would've added so much more depth and a deeply satisfying ending for many, but there's WAY too much bitterness in the ONLY endings we have

This.     I don't think it's too much to ask and certainly it would be a contrast to the current endings.  People are saying they want choice so why is it such a bad thing to have a choice that is hopeful and leaves  Shepard with his/her crew/LI?  

[Biokiipper]

Reaper511 wrote...

Considering the game has always been about player building their own character and narrative, doesn't it make more sense to have the option? Personally I think SOME of my shepards should die and some should live. Whatever completes their story most appropriately.

I know a lot of people out there would LIKE a happy ending option. Why rob them of that? You would like a sad ending, so you should get one. If someone else would like a happy ending, they should get one too. Then we all have the appropriate end to our story

I couldnt agree more.

[Arch1eviathan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

oblique9 wrote...

* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn, like with the current Shepard Lives/Destroy ending)

- This seems reasonable to me. And I agree, I think it's a reasonable expectation....

That would be cool. I would just sprinkle a few more variations around these endings in there.

He just quoted a part of it. Check out the full description above, or see the poll in my sig. This proposal has widespread support already.

I'll check it out. Thanks for the info.

[Star]

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

Honestly.  No need to be insulting to those who would like some additional - and more hopeful options.  Asking for a more hopeful ending that includes Shepard alive and with his/her LI/crew doesn't mean that it's a Disney ending.  And I haven't seen anyone asking that the current endings be replaced with a happy, sunshine and bunnies ending, just that there be a more hopeful choice.  The issue is choice for the outcome.   If you have the choice to achieve the endings you like, why should it matter whether others have a choice  to gain the endings that they find satisfying?  

As to... "original game design" ...so much of the ending was borrowed from other games. Nothing original there.  

[bleetman]

I'll have to watch more Disney movies that end with a KIA body count in the billions. They sound like fun.

[AlanC9]

Heather Cline wrote...

I think I know of an option. They did it in Dragon Age Origins. The Dark Ritual with Morrigan allowed you to survive if you took the option. If you rejected that option you then had to choose to either sacrifice Alistair or Loghain or yourself.

If we could implement something similar to the Dark Ritual like say some kind of technological option that you had the choice of using or not using. This way you had the choice of using this thing to defeat the reapers or not. You use it, you survive and continue on. You refuse to use it you can then sacrifice yourself and the galaxy goes on.

This way like the Dark Ritual no matter what option you choose the best ending isn't dependent upon self sacrifice or non-self sacrifice. Both sides would still get the best ending if they did everything right it would just be a matter of using this technological marvel or not.

As long as that technological fix has a serious down side to its use, sure. It can't be a no-brainer to use it or we all will.

Not too different from the existing "red" ending, really.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Heather Cline]

Alan of course. Like the Dark Ritual with Morrigan we don't know what will happen with the baby with the old god soul. It could have far reaching repercussions that no one can predict that could be used in future games as a plot device if people chose to use it.

But it doesn't have to have immediate repercussions. That's the beauty of a plot device like the Dark Ritual or a technological marvel. It doesn't have to be immediate but can have long reaching, far reaching consequences.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 25 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Wiggs Magee]

I don't see why players cannot have the OPTION to have a happy ending if they want.
And the major problem with the ending isn't that they are to sad, its that they offer no closure and make little sense.

[chris fenton]

bleetman wrote...

I'll have to watch more Disney movies that end with a KIA body count in the billions. They sound like fun.

LOL! Right?
PS. Can I use that in a sig quote?

Modifié par chris fenton, 25 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[AlanC9]

Star58 wrote...
 And I haven't seen anyone asking that the current endings be replaced with a happy, sunshine and bunnies ending, just that there be a more hopeful choice.  The issue is choice for the outcome.   If you have the choice to achieve the endings you like, why should it matter whether others have a choice  to gain the endings that they find satisfying?  

That's silly. I don't have a choice to have a less hopeful outcome if Shepard can choose a more hopeful one. A choice where one option is clearly better than all other options is no choice at all.

[AlanC9]

Heather Cline wrote...
But it doesn't have to have immediate repercussions. That's the beauty of a plot device like the Dark Ritual or a technological marvel. It doesn't have to be immediate but can have long reaching, far reaching consequences.

Now it sounds like you're talking about the "green" ending.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Make 'the consequences and rational ending' PATCH instead.

[Heather Cline]

Alan no I'm not talking about the green ending. Stop color coding what I'm talking about.

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Star58 wrote...
 And I haven't seen anyone asking that the current endings be replaced with a happy, sunshine and bunnies ending, just that there be a more hopeful choice.  The issue is choice for the outcome.   If you have the choice to achieve the endings you like, why should it matter whether others have a choice  to gain the endings that they find satisfying?  

That's silly. I don't have a choice to have a less hopeful outcome if Shepard can choose a more hopeful one. A choice where one option is clearly better than all other options is no choice at all.

"Better" is subjective. There are ways this could be done which add more variety to what we already have.

DeinonSlayer wrote...

That's why I'm a proponent of the Refuse ending. I described it in brief earlier, and in more detail with Lord Aesir yesterday. Shepard simply refuses to choose any of the options presented by the Catalyst, and lets the battle play out to its natural conclusion, giving us four new outcomes depending on your degree of preparation.

* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn, like with the current Shepard Lives/Destroy ending)

It would be easy for them to implement, too. See the poll in my sig for a more detailed description. Refuse ending would carry its own sacrifice, and its own set of troubling implications for the future. The fleet you brought with you would be almost totally destroyed in the process, even if they won the fight. Instead of the quiet stagnation of starving colonies and isolated, limping core worlds that we have with the relays being destroyed, there would be absolute chaos.

Given the massive shifts in power Shepard has instituted, and the losses everyone has absorbed, any scenario where the relays survive would leave the galaxy in unrest. All species would still be in contact with each other - but they're not necessarily ready for that.  The humanitarian crisis would be somewhat averted, but in its place we'd have a political ****storm that would have made Udina blanch, and an open foundation for future wars. The Turians don't have their fleet anymore, which was the foundation of their power. Imagine what the Krogan would do after the war if they learned they were duped with a fake cure, and still had relay access. The power struggles would be massive, and Shepard wouldn't be the most popular guy in the galaxy, having stood by and watched the fleet get torn apart if (s)he had the opportunity to end it at any time. Even if Shepard got to settle down with their LI, they'd likely have to go into hiding for his/her own protection. I had no interest in being a "legend" anyway...

This "happy" ending bears its own unique set of problems, but they're problems I can live with.

Thoughts?

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 25 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[darthnick427]

No Disney Movie happy ending. But Shepard deserves the possibility for a semi happy ending. Just have him alive with his crew at the end and that's all the happy ending we need.

[BeefoTheBold]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

oblique9 wrote...

* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn, like with the current Shepard Lives/Destroy ending)

- This seems reasonable to me. And I agree, I think it's a reasonable expectation....

Throw in a little more variation for your playing a Paragon or  Renegade and I agree.

This is a good start, but your moral choices need to matter as well. Eight endings total. Two variations of each of the above.

Could probably make it seven because you don't need to make a good/bad ending if the Reapers win that shows the impact of Shep on the races.

Check out the full description above. Oblique9 quoted a small part of it. With the relays intact, your actions throughout the game would have more immediate and (arguably) severe consequences. Instead of stagnation induced by isolation, there would be absolute chaos.

Ah. Gracias.

[Milan92]

No thanks, we want our disney ending.

[vometia]

Dalako wrote...

Strawmen and ad hominems are the weapons of choice for the pro-ending crowd.

It does seem that way.  I'm not ashamed to say that I like happy endings regardless (though I can't stand most of Disney's output, for the record.)

[Heimdall]

Heather Cline wrote...

Alan of course. Like the Dark Ritual with Morrigan we don't know what will happen with the baby with the old god soul. It could have far reaching repercussions that no one can predict that could be used in future games as a plot device if people chose to use it.

But it doesn't have to have immediate repercussions. That's the beauty of a plot device like the Dark Ritual or a technological marvel. It doesn't have to be immediate but can have long reaching, far reaching consequences.

I can live with that, but it would have to be something big, like letting a few Reapers loose (Maybe not that bad, but on that scale)

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 25 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[Melra]

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

/support! 

People saying they'd be fine if they knew whether their squaddies died or not are most likely lying. If you'll just find out that they died, you'd be whining just as much anyway, so just admit it you want your sunshine and rainbows ending.

[chris fenton]

Melrache wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Adding a Disney Movie ending just to please a bunch of whiners would be a huge disappointment in my opinion. I hope Bioware has the guts to stand behind their original game design.

/support! 

People saying they'd be fine if they knew whether their squaddies died or not are most likely lying. If you'll just find out that they died, you'd be whining just as much anyway, so just admit it you want your sunshine and rainbows ending.

I do. 

[Heather Cline]

Lord Aesir having some Reapers escape is a possibility or something similar *nods* But that would be fleshed out in an actual writing and implementation stage. We would have possibilities so that you could choose what ending you wanted for the best ending but of course as i stated it would only be one of the possible endings. there would also be bad and horrible endings too.

[Heather Cline]

Mel I will admit that I wouldn't be satisfied with just knowing what happened to my squad/Normandy. No offense to those that do. I want the endings we were promised and the possibility of a happyish ending. Not sunshine and rainbows because I know that's not possible. But an ending where my shepard is with her LI, that is something I want. However dark and bleak the future might be for them at least they are together.

[chris fenton]

Heather Cline wrote...

Mel I will admit that I wouldn't be satisfied with just knowing what happened to my squad/Normandy. No offense to those that do. I want the endings we were promised and the possibility of a happyish ending. Not sunshine and rainbows because I know that's not possible. But an ending where my shepard is with her LI, that is something I want. However dark and bleak the future might be for them at least they are together.

Is there even a happy ending even if Shepard and his LI are together?
Still lost a good 70% of galactic civilization, (probably.)